Why do Somali's go against nationalism and opt for islamism and qabilism instead?

[Farahslayer]

Somalis don’t self police. They lowlifes are constantly protected and you can’t even criticize them.

We’re from a culture that believesinstead of arresting someone for murder or rape other people who are marginally related to him should pay for his crimes.

For those that want qabillands, they’ll be in for the rudest awakening of their lives when they realize the hatred and animosity goes down to the jilib or even Reer level. The days of Hawiye/darod/Isaac/etc are nothing when small sub sub sub clans are fighting over wells and raiding/murdering each other.

Long ago Somalis sunk to the lowest common denominator. There’s no turning back. There’s no saving the culture. It’s garbage.

 

[Removed]

Kinda hard to be nationalist in a perpetually failing state. I love all Somalis but I despise the government

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

What nationalism? Somalia is product of European colonists. We had nothing to with each other prior to thier arrival marka there is no shared history.

 

[bluebird]

what makes nationalism different to qabilism? Are both not part of your identity? by that extension, why do people choose nationalism over regionalism,and you keep going and pretty soon you'll be asking for a one world order

 

[Mad-MullaH]

why you have shiekh Zayed as your dospaly pic and you are focking Somali?

 

[bluebird]

at a time like this nationalism is especially dangerous to somalia, because farmajo is bringing the new world order. Its better for somalis to be divided and not under a single leader

 

[Xasusi]

Nationalism can be manufactured and created.

Germanics (Anglos and Germans) before the 15th century had no discernable achievements. But they created a narrative around being the inheritors of Greek and Roman civilisation. Greece is far away from the UK, yet they still larp as their heirs.

Somalis don't have an appetite to develop.
10 camels for every single Somali, no need to develop agriculture, no need to settle, no need to build large cities. The only time people truly coalesced was when there was an existential threat from the colonials. This existence of the average Somali in Somalia won't change.

Qabilism is just poor people trying to band together in an insecure system. Westerners who engage in qabilism are guilty of low IQ.

 

[GBTarmy]

Somalis don't even know nationhood, it's obvious this is still foreign to us. Somalis were never united as well, no matter how much you scream we're all one people, one language and one religion that will not make Somali statehood come to existence. The civil war made this even worse.

 

[Xasusi]

Somalis don't even know nationhood, it's obvious this is still foreign to us. Somalis were never united as well, no matter how much you scream we're all one people, one language and one religion that will not make Somali statehood come to existence. The civil war made this even worse.

Don't become one people and Ethiopia and Kenya will dominate you.

 

[Xasusi]

what makes nationalism different to qabilism? Are both not part of your identity? by that extension, why do people choose nationalism over regionalism,and you keep going and pretty soon you'll be asking for a one world order

Nationalism allows you to develop. Regionalism allows you to be dominated by your nationalist neighbors.

 

[bluebird]

Nationalism allows you to develop. Regionalism allows you to be dominated by your nationalist neighbors.

Somalia is a UN project held together by a glue stick, does it make a difference? it has no autonomy either way.

 

[Xasusi]

Somalia is a UN project held together by a glue stick, does it make a difference?

They can split if they want.

 

[bluebird]

All I'm saying is its in their interest to turn that glue into something long-lasting.

If they decide to split, I hope Ethiopia and Kenya annex them.

if they become puppets that has nothing to do with their size...it has more to do with their lack of morals. like right now, the president of somalia gets pushed around by everyone, it would happen if he was the president of a microstate or not, Somalia as a country gets no respect. While these nato/EU countries get to make their own decisions, somalia needs all their choices sanctioned by their designated UN babysitter, its just the way it is.

 

[Xasusi]

if they become puppets that has nothing to do with their size...it has more to do with their lack of morals. like right now, the president of somalia gets pushed around by everyone, it would happen if he was the president of a microstate or not, Somalia as a country gets no respect. While these nato/EU countries get to make their own decisions, somalia needs all their choices sanctioned by their designated UN babysitter, its just the way it is.

Well development generally needs to be approved by the powers that exist. I agree with you completely.

 

[CaliTedesse]

Inbreeding

 

[FBIsomalia]

It's the one thing I've never understood. You have people insulting their own country and praising their qabil encla- my bad federal states. Now I'd understand this if it was based on the central governments incompetence but that'd put into question why their own states are so corrupt and incompetent and why'd they still give unconditional support to a shitty barely functioning government that's on par with the rest of Somalia that's always headed by some fatshit oday with pockets deeper than the graves of starving women and children.

Hell people in the Somali politics section celebrate their qabil committing war crimes and then when some random atrocity happens in Mogadishu it's all sad faces or the thoughts and prayers of Somali internet also known as "AUN". Then they're back to respective threads shitting on each others qabiils and bragging about killing khat addicts or retaking a corrugated iron shack somewhere in the shrublands like it's an achievement. You'll find folks shitting on siad barre and praising their favourite warlord from their landheere qabiil that's always starving.

You have users calling themselves puntite (we wuz) which quite frankly is the stupidest thing I've heard since Somalilander (doesn't even exist) or Ogadenian citizen (basically an Ethiopian) or . You have people trying to distance themselves away from anything Somali and then they'll speak about their shit hole states like it's developed and point out to another shitty port project that looks more like bay with sea defences somewhere off the coast of Wales.

It's the same folks who'll say shit like 68ers or an or some other crappy insult whenever there's some random news piece on Somalia. Take @SomaliWadaniSoldier for example or @diaby , truly the two stupidest people I've ever come across on the internet and take in mind one comes from Ethiopia and the others from a glorified bush called gedo who's biggest achievement was attracting foreign investment from AMISOM.

Someone's going to downplay qabil in Somalia and say this all internet shit but the stuff you'll hear in maqaayads or every part of Somalia in general is sickening. Hell some of these folks would drop their religion for qabil, case in point @Manafesto .


And then there's the muh ummah/salafi folks or as I like to call them, the Automated Dheg Cas gus sucking machines. You'll find them in your local run down mosque speaking in Arabic to a group of confused non-arabs or getting donations for Syria, Palestine or some random Arab country. They wear a khamiis and some cultural clothing from the middle East that has no significance in Islam. Aside from waging ***** in the form of being fodder for US drones or blowing themselves up they're generally harmless. There zealous support of anything dheg-cas related is quite frankly amazing. I don't have much to say about them other than maybe we should've had a Soviet style aim at secularism in Somalia way back.

Anyway take it how you will, this is my intellectual brain fart.

kid you have to take classes before coming in Politics.

 

[BetterDaysAhead]

our nationalism will strengthen once somalia stabilizes and prospers, America's isnt that old and lacks the ancient civilizations like the persians or greeks but they're still one of the most nationalistic and proud people on the planet mainly due to america's success, once somalia becomes a success then our nationalism will be stronger

 

[Genesis]

Somalia needs a messiah, I am not joking. "Somalia" doesn't even exist in reality, it's every clan for themselves in that place.

We need our own Alexander the Great, FDR, Ataturk, to form 1 country and propel the country forward. The people there are very young (average age of 18!) and if they see fresh leadership that makes genuine changes to improve the situation they will 100% be on board.

If this person doesn't come in the next 10-15 years, the Somali race is finished. Somalia will continue to be dominated by Ethiopia/Kenya, their resources will be monopolized by Arabs/Turks and the people will be taken advantage of by every country in the world.

It's either Greater Somalia or bust.

 

[Farabuuto]

Welcome to reality. We have these problems because Somalia was never meant ot be a country and was never united before the modern state was created. It was just created to keep Ethiopian expansion at bay and spread communism/socialism.

You forced clans and tribes that have been warring each other for centuries to come together just because they speak the same language and have similar culture.

Also, some lineages and clans are just bullshyt and elders corrupted their lineages. A harti Darod will always be an outcast among actual Somalis. They don’t even descend from irir samale but Harla/Hararis that got assimilated, it's even in the name ffs.

Niggas love bringing up "we wuz together in Adal" no nigga we weren't. Somali clans were literally chased by the Imam and forced to join jihad, they never liked each other. If Adal didn't have the Ethiopian threat they would've rained down on Ajuuran and taken their lands. 100%.

No such thing as "Somaliweyn" or "Somalinimo" in reality. Clans allying themselves with Oromo and joining them, helping other clans to take over another's village, discrimination against langaabs. Shambles.

 

[Parailia somalensis]

My pops always told me to be nationalistic only when my family (Sub-clan) is in office and shift my allegiances to the ancestral Federal states when we no longer hold the seat in Mogadishu.