Why are we screaming about Europe and America being biased and bigoted when we are worse?

[KillStreakIsCool]

You lost the plot.From what I gather from his posts is that people should be open to follow any religion they want.Which I also agree with

I am actually following his plot but need to understand the motivation behind it. Why does he insist on Somalis and Somalia be open to Christianity? Don't they have religion of their own and a culture of their own?

Perhaps you can speak on his behalf and elaborate on why should a Somali give up on Islam and become open to another religion?

 

[Keep it a boqol]

I am actually following his plot but need to understand the motivation behind it. Why does he insist on Somalis and Somalia being open to Christianity? Don't they have religion of their own and a culture of their own?

Perhaps you can speak on his behalf and elaborate on why should a Somali give up on Islam and become open to another religion?

Don’t bother with @Al-Ma'mun. He couldn’t answer @AdoonkaAlle when he asked him if the Quran is subjective or not

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

Don’t bother with @Al-Ma'mun. He couldn’t answer @AdoonkaAlle when he asked him if the Quran is subjective or not

If both can justify why a Somali would give up on Islam and tell us what is inherently wrong with Islam, I would understand Kaahin's desire to have churches and Christian missionary centers in Somali towns and cities.

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

Why adhere to a religion without the conviction of its supremacy? The Old age question everyone should ask themselves.

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

I am actually following his plot but need to understand the motivation behind it. Why does he insist on Somalis and Somalia being open to Christianity? Don't they have religion of their own and a culture of their own?

Perhaps you can speak on his behalf and elaborate on why should a Somali give up on Islam and become open to another religion?

People should have the right to choose their religion. This is something taught in the Qur'an in various passages such as:

لَآ إِكْرَاهَ فِى ٱلدِّينِ ۖ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ ٱلرُّشْدُ مِنَ ٱلْغَىِّ ۚ فَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِٱلطَّـٰغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِنۢ بِٱللَّهِ فَقَدِ ٱسْتَمْسَكَ بِٱلْعُرْوَةِ ٱلْوُثْقَىٰ لَا ٱنفِصَامَ لَهَا ۗ وَٱللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ

Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood.1 So whoever renounces false gods and believes in Allah has certainly grasped the firmest, unfailing hand-hold. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

Don’t bother with @Al-Ma'mun. He couldn’t answer @AdoonkaAlle when he asked him if the Quran is subjective or not

Your buddy is an intellectual midget who resorts to takfir instead of debating

 

[Omar del Sur]

Your buddy is an intellectual midget who resorts to takfir instead of debating

Yes. Being smart = being Westernized and just simply believing in what the texts say = being dumb according to you types. Somehow pretending you're European makes you smarter according to your school of thought. Meanwhile the West is sinking. Your types want to worship the same ship while it's in the process of sinking and tell us how allegedly superior this sinking ship is. I predict that kind of ideology will be pretty much extinct within twenty years. It will pretty hard to call people to becoming worshippers of the West once the West has sunk and the world is dominated by Russia and China.

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

People should have the right to choose their religion. This is something taught in the Qur'an in various passages such as:

لَآ إِكْرَاهَ فِى ٱلدِّينِ ۖ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ ٱلرُّشْدُ مِنَ ٱلْغَىِّ ۚ فَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِٱلطَّـٰغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِنۢ بِٱللَّهِ فَقَدِ ٱسْتَمْسَكَ بِٱلْعُرْوَةِ ٱلْوُثْقَىٰ لَا ٱنفِصَامَ لَهَا ۗ وَٱللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ

Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood.1 So whoever renounces false gods and believes in Allah has certainly grasped the firmest, unfailing hand-hold. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.

The verse tells us the supremacy of Islam and how it is solid rock with unshakable foundation as the truth compared to the falsehoods. This verse is saying Somalis have better religion and belief systems, so why should they trade that with falsehoods?

The irony in the verse. Dang!

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

The verse tells us the supremacy of Islam and how it is solid rock with unshakable foundation as the truth compared to the falsehoods. This verse is saying Somalis have better religion and belief systems, so why should they trade that with falsehoods?

The irony in the verse. Dang!

Somalis are 26 million individuals in the Horn Of Africa.KEY WORD Individual! Who are you to stop and compel a Somali from leaving Islam and being a Hindu,Jew,Christian or Atheist?

The Qur'an reiterates many times that you can't force someone to be Muslim.Yes we can believe in the supremacy of our religion but it does not give anyone the right to force someone to be Muslim. Yet this is what you are propagating.Are you not going against the word of Allah? Are you also not a hypocrite for living in a Western country who gives these rights to practice your religion freely?

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

Yes. Being smart = being Westernized and just simply believing in what the texts say = being dumb according to you types. Somehow pretending you're European makes you smarter according to your school of thought. Meanwhile the West is sinking. Your types want to worship the same ship while it's in the process of sinking and tell us how allegedly superior this sinking ship is. I predict that kind of ideology will be pretty much extinct within twenty years. It will pretty hard to call people to becoming worshippers of the West once the West has sunk and the world is dominated by Russia and China.

Why don't you leave America and head to Venezuela mi hermano

 

[Omar del Sur]

Why don't you leave America and head to Venezuela mi hermano

why would I go to Venezuela? I'm against Western imperialism like any right-minded person but I'm not a Marxist. and also it isn't just Venezuela. pretty much the whole region feels the same way. and where I live belongs to us.

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

Btw I never said Somalis should leave Islam and I've told you many times that I'm Muslim. I just said it's hypocritical of us Muslims in general to expect non Muslims to except them in their countries when we wouldn't either. At the very least we a re in a western country as of now and it's much better than a totalitarian Islamist state. Btw I have uncles who live under "sharia law" in Al Shabab controlled villages in Somalia, women can't even work over there lol..

 

[greznigrezni]

Btw I never said Somalis should leave Islam and I've told you many times that I'm Muslim. I just said it's hypocritical of us Muslims in general to expect non Muslims to except them in their countries when we wouldn't either. At the very least we a re in a western country as of now and it's much better than a totalitarian Islamist state. Btw I have uncles who live under "sharia law" in Al Shabab controlled villages in Somalia, women can't even work over there lol..

They criticize the west while they take CAYR and live in government subsidized housing. Why do they hate the west for giving them a second chance at a better life?

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

They criticize the west while they take CAYR and live in government subsidized housing. Why do they hate the west for giving them a second chance at a better life?

They're delusional tbh

 

[GemState]

Btw I never said Somalis should leave Islam and I've told you many times that I'm Muslim. I just said it's hypocritical of us Muslims in general to expect non Muslims to except them in their countries when we wouldn't either. At the very least we a re in a western country as of now and it's much better than a totalitarian Islamist state. Btw I have uncles who live under "sharia law" in Al Shabab controlled villages in Somalia, women can't even work over there lol..

it takes some crazy level of mental gymnastic to, as a muslim, disagree with Allah's laws and concede that man-made law should take precedence...

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

Btw I never said Somalis should leave Islam and I've told you many times that I'm Muslim. I just said it's hypocritical of us Muslims in general to expect non Muslims to except them in their countries when we wouldn't either. At the very least we a re in a western country as of now and it's much better than a totalitarian Islamist state. Btw I have uncles who live under "sharia law" in Al Shabab controlled villages in Somalia, women can't even work over there lol..

It hasn't happened that Westerners or white Christian people needed to flee their country to Somalia. Given the Somali generosity, refugees of any kind would be welcomed regardless of their religion there. So your claim that we wouldn't welcome suffering human beings fleeing violence is based on your prejudice against Somalis. Your entire argument is meritless.

Also, expecting Somalis to be open to Christianity is akin to saying Islam is not good enough for Somalis. All Muslims believe Islam is the only acceptable religion to Allah based on the Quranic text. So why invite a Somali to accept or be open to falsehoods?

As for an individual Somali leaving Islam, they leave it with their ugliness plain and simple. I don't personally give a f*ck about that.,

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

They criticize the west while they take CAYR and live in government subsidized housing. Why do they hate the west for giving them a second chance at a better life?

They are part of society and are entitled to all rights reserved for citizens and legal residents. Most Somalis in America are successful immigrants who pay taxes and contribute to their relative states.

Get your facts right. You are another lying scum with grievance.

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

Somalis are 26 million individuals in the Horn Of Africa.KEY WORD Individual! Who are you to stop and compel a Somali from leaving Islam and being a Hindu,Jew,Christian or Atheist?

The Qur'an reiterates many times that you can't force someone to be Muslim.Yes we can believe in the supremacy of our religion but it does not give anyone the right to force someone to be Muslim. Yet this is what you are propagating.Are you not going against the word of Allah? Are you also not a hypocrite for living in a Western country who gives these rights to practice your religion freely?

Read my latest reply to Kaahin. There is no debate about forcing people into following a religion they don't want. The conversation is why Kaahin or you would want a religion other than Islam be invited into Somalia when people there already follow a religion based on truth. Plain and simple.

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

It hasn't happened that Westerners or white Christian people needed to flee their country to Somalia.

As for an individual Somali leaving Islam, they leave it with their ugliness plain and simple. I don't personally give a f*ck about that.,

First of all you didn't answer the hypothetical question which is obvious, Somalis always state that they don't except those who don't think like them. The second just proves how close minded you are lol.

 

[greznigrezni]

Read my latest reply to Kaahin. There is no debate about forcing people into following a religion they don't want. The conversation is why Kaahin or you would want a religion other than Islam be invited into Somalia when people there already follow a religion based on truth. Plain and simple.

This isn't a debate. They probably didn't have a choice because it was die or become on of us. A ruling class of the Somalis forced natives into Islam. I will even go as far as to say that there were mass convertiions of natives to Islam. This is why Somalis are absolute Qashin Cala Qashin. 16M+ people believing in Islam? This is 100% a lie. Give them piece and they will leave it for something else. You can't just declare that all Somalis are Muslim. It will only take a couple of years for LGBTQ+ uprisings to start in the Great Lands of the Somaleis. They will use it to discriminate against others who aren't like them and then those minorities will start a revolution to overthrow "another" government. Don't think that this religion isn't war-proof because we have already seen it happen.