There's no stoning in the Quran, it's from some idiotic Hadith, if it was an important aspect of Islam, Allah would have put it in the Quran
Why are we screaming about Europe and America being biased and bigoted when we are worse?
- Thread starter Shaafici Mujaahid
- Start date
People like this Al-Ma'mun fellow are more dangerous than any kaffir nowadays. These so-called "reformers of Islam" are peddling a very lethal movement. May Allah S.W.T keep and preserve us from these people.
AdoonkaAlle
Ragna qowl baa xira, dumarna meher baa xira.
Ameen sxb
I don't think he's muslim at all, his aim is solely to corrupt diinta & mislead muslims. Not only was he advocating that the commands of Allah were subjective but also that the only people able to interpret them correctly were his so called "progressive reformers" like musta akyol & co.
This contradicts your argument in your first post. If you want Muslims to be responsible and shun bigotry, then justifying the racism of polish people is contradictory. All human beings are accountable for their conduct according to Islam regardless of their ethnic and religious affiliation. This includes neo Nazi Christians and white folks who give priority to their race and operate under the false claim that God favors them as a race. Most western conservatives operate under the assumption that God favors their race. Christ would disapprove today's Christians and would be repulsed by their ignorance and polytheistic beliefs.
This is the reason the Oldest churches and traditions are found among Islamic Countries. Even Zoroastrians survived in the middle east, the birth place of Islam. Seems to me early Muslims adhered to the no compulsion in religion message of Islam.
I don't agree with polish people; I'm just saying it's hypocritical of us to scream for them to let us in when we won't even let them build a church in Somalia for masiixi workers and exacts in ports and hotels. Most Kenyans and Ethiopians working in Somalia act as if they're Muslim. Including masiixi Somalis who have been masiixi before the civil war but when Salafism came, they miserably converted. We know how intolerant we are to not only other faiths but different tribes living in our towns. We can't throw stones when we don't even have a house let alone a glass one.
I don't disagree with that but according to "Sharia law" it's unlawful for a church to be built in bilaadul Islam. Even ask your local Salafi shaykh.
The UK allows this; Imagine if Christian migrants in a Muslim country called for biblical laws lol..
These conservatives are hypocrites of the highest order because for all the immoral things they do, the conservatives have found religious justifications. Prophet Muhammad had reportedly said, “War is deceit,” and since they were at a political war—with secularists, rival groups, “imperialists,” or “Zionists”—they could use all kinds of tricks, lies, and libels. A verse in the Qur’an said, “Relatives have prior claim over one another,” so packing the bureaucracy with your own relatives was just fine.
Or while the Sharia had condemned riba, or interest, it had no clear rules about public tendering, which the religious conservatives in power twisted repeatedly, for the immediate benefits of their cronies in various parts of the Islamic World.In other words, the problem was not that the religious conservatives are not pious enough. The problem was that theirs was a piety that did not make them moral people.
The late Egyptian scholar Nasr Abu Zayd also observed a “religiosity devoid of ethics” in his nation, where “mosques are full, but corruption is rampant.” The Iraqi statesman Ali A. Allawi also has experienced an Islam that is “increasingly devoid of any deeply ethical content.” Qatar-based academic Omar Edward Moad also witnessed “outward religiosity without moral conscience.”
Islamic jurisprudence had become a pile of rules, among which morality had “evaporated. Of course this is related to the connection between religion and reason, with the issue of husn and qubh [good and bad].
The “immoral piety” we see in the contemporary Muslim world is rooted in Ashʿarism and its equation of ethical value with divine commandment. This worldview equates morality with religious law. So, by definition, whatever the law bans becomes immoral, as whatever the law permits becomes moral. The question whether the law’s verdicts are moral or not is hardly asked—simply because there is no independent moral criteria left to judge the law
.
Your objection is people pointing out the racism and bigotry of others. You are basically saying that if you are from a particular group of people, you have no reason to call out an injustice if you see one. What kind of logic is that?
Also, I am from Somalia and don't know what you are talking about in your post regarding Somalia. What you describe as being Somalia and Somalis are just plain lies.
Do you speak Somali? You seem to throw accusations around. If you have something against Islam, state so please without getting Somalis involved.
Your objection is people pointing out the racism and bigotry of others. You are basically saying that if you are from a particular group of people, you have no reason to call out an injustice if you see one. What kind of logic is that?
Also, I am from Somalia and don't know what you are talking about in your post regarding Somalia. What you describe as being Somalia and Somalis are just plain lies.
Do you speak Somali? You seem to throw accusations around. If you have something against Islam, state so please without getting Somalis involved.
I lived in Somalia for years. Unlike many on this thread. I don't support any racism but let me ask you a question. Do you believe can propagate Christianity in Somalia? If not, why are Muslims allowed to propagate Islam in the west. It's that simple. Schools have been under heavy scrutiny in many Somali cities just because of conspiracy theories that they are founded by Christians who have an agenda to promote Christianity.
Absolute slander
Do you think Islam is not a perfect religion for Somalis and because of that, you want Somalis to be open to accept polytheistic beliefs and give up their monotheism? I can understand your objective since you seem to spouse Islam is not logical religion with scriptural superiority over Pauline Christianity. Only reason I think you keep asking the type of questions you are asking.
Let me know if you think there is logical, intellectual and scriptural reasons Somalis should embrace Christianity and give up their current religion.
For me, It makes sense that one declines and objects to an inferior belief system and a man made one to one that is superior in scripture and logic. This is why Somalis who were smart nomads never accepted Christianity even before Islam came to them. They saw the requirement of blind faith in it and didn't want to give up their strong logic. You seem to disagree with them on this. I don't think you share the Somali conviction on Islam.
Last edited:
So we are allowed to discriminate against them because Islam is the truth? We are allowed to kill those who don't want to be Muslim because Islam is the truth? If we are dictating the religion and what people believe, we've already become the gods of the earth. Why not let people believe and practice religion however they please without saying you have the exclusive right to discriminate because you have the truth.
I follow the religion personally and whosoever chooses to follow another religion in Somalia is not my problem. It's between them and god. If god gave them the mind and will to be another religion or even follow Islam differently, you shouldn't force them to change their beliefs or kill them. You clearly have a Salafi viewpoint. LOL.
You haven't addressed the question I asked you. Do you believe Christianity as taught makes more sense than Islam and therefore, Somalis and Somalia should be open to it?
What is the point of being a Muslim if you don't have the conviction that Islam is based on the uncorrupted truth as handed down from the messenger compared to Christianity which is based on St.Paul's vision and abrogation of Christ's religion?
I didn't use the word discrimination much less suggest bigotry, so stick to the facts about the discussion and tell me if you think Somalis should be open to Christianity and why.
To follow the truth and what makes sense is the natural course and disposition of rational men. As such, your comment about people becoming Gods on earth for simply exercising their rationality makes no sense.
You judge people and things. Denying others to do the same speaks to your arrogance.
What religion do you follow? Islam? This Somalia containing Somalis who follow other religions exists in your head. Get back to reality.
You lost the plot.From what I gather from his posts is that people should be open to follow any religion they want.Which I also agree with
