Why are we screaming about Europe and America being biased and bigoted when we are worse?

[Keep it a boqol]

Liberalism - People of all ‘religions’ are forced to liberalise & conform with norms of Liberal theology - destroying their culture & traditions.

Islam - All minorities are protected & no interference in their own cultures & traditions.

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

You sound like you believe in secularism and are a kaffir.

And as for your claim that the secular state is the right way to go.... how is the Soviet Union doing?

Terrible argument, the Soviet Union just rebranded into Russia which is still pretty much a secular state lol.

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

Liberalism - People of all ‘religions’ are forced to liberalise & conform with norms of Liberal theology - destroying their culture & traditions.

Islam - All minorities are protected & no interference in their own cultures & traditions.

What norms? What have you been forced to in America? If that's the case would you be more free in an "Islamic government" if that's the case than why do we run from them LOL.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

What norms? What have you been forced to in America? If that's the case would you be more free in an "Islamic government" if that's the case than why do we run from them LOL.

1. If a Muslim women lives in France or parts in Canada for example, she is not even allowed to wear her the hijab
2. In Canada, USA, and Western Europe if your child is in elementary school they are forced to learn LGBTQ and get indoctrinated
3. Coerced to participate in riba in order to own a home, credit card etc
4. Deemed extremist if your practicing

The list goes on

As for your second point why do el salvadorans and other Latin and African groups immigrate to the west? Better opportunities.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Terrible argument, the Soviet Union just rebranded into Russia which is still pretty much a secular state lol.

You are not this intellectual genius you would have us think you are. The Soviet Union collapsed and turned into fifteen countries. Russia is not the Soviet Union. Furthermore, Russia is not really all that secular- not anywhere near as secular as the Soviet Union. Orthodox Christianity is borderline the state religion at this point.

How Putin Is Using The Orthodox Church To Build His Power (HBO)​

Putin Reaffirms Russia’s Commitment To Defend Christianity​

and this is kind of an aside thing but.... people claiming Russia is the Soviet Union is not the "own" of Russia that people think it is. The Soviet Union was a Marxist-Leninist Communist state that actively sought the elimination of religion. Russia under Putin is a conservative Orthodox Christian country- that is not Russian propaganda or praise of Russia but just the factually accurate description of the country. this is why leftists were often sympathetic or aligned to the Soviets but these days pro-Russian sentiment tends to be associated with conservatives (or leftists opposed to the West... there is this weird convergence of pro-Russian conservatives in the West and Third World anti-imperialist types)

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

1. If a Muslim women lives in France or parts in Canada for example, she is not even allowed to wear her the hijab
2. In Canada, USA, and Western Europe if your child is in elementary school they are forced to learn LGBTQ and get indoctrinated
3. Coerced to participate in riba in order to own a home, credit card etc
4. Deemed extremist if your practicing

The list goes on

As for your second point why do el salvadorans and other Latin and African groups immigrate to the west? Better opportunities.

France banning the hijab is against humanism and liberalism which stress freedom of religion. Btw no one is forcing you to follow the rest. You are in the west now and if you believe Muslim countries give you better rights in terms of religion, why have most of our people decided to stay....and so what if kids are taught about lgbtq. The more knowledge about the reality on the ground the better.

 

[Omar del Sur]

France banning the hijab is against humanism and liberalism which stress freedom of religion. Btw no one is forcing you to follow the rest. You are in the west know and if you believe Muslim countries give you better rights in terms of religion, why have most of our people decided to stay....and so what if kids are taught about lgbtq. The more knowledge about the reality on the ground the better.

So you want to promote yourself as being this intellectually superior genius and you can't grasp basic English?

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

So you want to promote yourself as being this intellectually superior genius and you can't grasp basic English?

In that case, your Salafi Clergy are more dimwit than me. Considering your belief that using the language of a secular nation as a measure of ones intellect .I knew you would fall for this; whilst loathing the very system that advanced that nation. You're drawing in your uncoordinated arguments my friend.

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

You are not this intellectual genius you would have us think you are. The Soviet Union collapsed and turned into fifteen countries. Russia is not the Soviet Union. Furthermore, Russia is not really all that secular- not anywhere near as secular as the Soviet Union. Orthodox Christianity is borderline the state religion at this point.

How Putin Is Using The Orthodox Church To Build His Power (HBO)​

Putin Reaffirms Russia’s Commitment To Defend Christianity​

and this is kind of an aside thing but.... people claiming Russia is the Soviet Union is not the "own" of Russia that people think it is. The Soviet Union was a Marxist-Leninist Communist state that actively sought the elimination of religion. Russia under Putin is a conservative Orthodox Christian country- that is not Russian propaganda or praise of Russia but just the factually accurate description of the country. this is why leftists were often sympathetic or aligned to the Soviets but these days pro-Russian sentiment tends to be associated with conservatives (or leftists opposed to the West... there is this weird convergence of pro-Russian conservatives in the West and Third World anti-imperialist types)

Back with the silly inferiority complex, who said I'm an intellectual? Perhaps the delusional kind such as yourself may perceive reason and evidence as insult to your sorry state of cognitive dissonance. Here is the evidence, you delusional, pathological liar. Russia is and has been a secular state.

Convicts like you fetish Salafism for a reason kkkkkkkkk

 

[Omar del Sur]

Even though I made an honest spelling error, know that English isn't a measurement of intellect yet idiots like you still advocate for lost causes using what the culture you argue against as a panicle, inferiority complex is what drives you and btw a couple of Vice videos do not prove Russia being a theocratic utopia as you fetishize lol.

How is using "know" instead of "now" a spelling error? You accidentally spelled "know" instead of "now"? No, you used a totally different word. You got "know" and "now" mixed up.

And I have not argued that Russia is a "theocratic utopia". I don't believe in Orthodox Christianity. I have not claimed that Russia is a utopia, simply that it is a conservative Orthodox Christian country, which is simply a factual description. If we say Pakistan is a conservative Muslim society- that isn't necessarily praise or criticism, just factual description.

 

[Omar del Sur]

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Convicts like you fetish Salafism for a reason kkkkkkkkk

It may be officially secular on paper but Putin openly associates himself with Orthodox Christianity, presents himself as a devout Orthodox Christian, etc. The state is increasingly mixed with the Orthodox Church. And I have never been to jail or prison in my life and am not a convict.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Back with the silly inferiority complex, who said I'm an intellectual?

And who exactly do I have an inferiority complex towards? You are the one pushing Westernization so adamantly while I openly despise the West. I don't think I have an inferiority complex towards anyone. Some people have an inferiority complex towards the West. If anything, I would think I maybe have a superiority complex towards the West.

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

And who exactly do I have an inferiority complex towards? You are the one pushing Westernization so adamantly while I openly despise the West. I don't think I have an inferiority complex towards anyone. Some people have an inferiority complex towards the West. If anything, I would think I maybe have a superiority complex towards the West.

You've stated here many times attempting to refute my logic by calling me a fake intellectual although I haven't attempted to be perceived in such away. You view the west from the lens of the clergy in the East. I understand what Islamists like Al Qaeda and Al Shabab have done to my nation. Secularism is a concept you still haven't grasped which exists in the far east as well from Japan to South Korea.

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

It may be officially secular on paper but Putin openly associates himself with Orthodox Christianity, presents himself as a devout Orthodox Christian, etc. The state is increasingly mixed with the Orthodox Church. And I have never been to jail or prison in my life and am not a convict.

Biden Associates himself with the catholic church. Talmbout on paper, like that isn't the law of the land. Go sweep all the lies you've been told under the rug until it's too much for you to handle.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Biden Associates himself with the catholic church. Talmbout on paper, like that isn't the law of the land. Go sweep all the lies you've been told under the rug until it's too much for you to handle.

True that Biden does claim to be Catholic but I think the Orthodox Church does have an influence on policy in Russia. For example, Russia has conservative anti-lgbt laws that I think are influenced by the Church.

Putin's God Squad: The Orthodox Church and Russian Politics​

"After near extermination under Communist rule, the church and religion are back at the heart of the country's politics. And they have been critical in helping Putin recast the liberal opposition's fight against state corruption and alleged electoral fraud into a script of "foreign devils" versus "Holy Russia."

For God and Putin

After years of repression under Communist rule, the Orthodox Church is back at the heart of Russian politics.

www.newsweek.com

and these are not just pro-Russian outlets that are talking about Orthodox Christianity having increasing influence in Russia. Newsweek for example is not remotely pro-Russian.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

Next time don't bother quoting me if you are just going to wail and complain

It must be hard to continue with the facade after being caught out.

You’ve yet to answer a very basic question about Islamic doctrine why is this ?

How is it possible to submit to Allah when you don’t even acknowledge the validity of His commandments ?

Could you tell us why zina isn’t morally wrong when Allah has made it haram ?

 

[Omar del Sur]

You've stated here many times attempting to refute my logic by calling me a fake intellectual although I haven't attempted to be perceived in such away. You view the west from the lens of the clergy in the East. I understand what Islamists like Al Qaeda and Al Shabab have done to my nation. Secularism is a concept you still haven't grasped which exists in the far east as well from Japan to South Korea.

Japan and South Korea could use Islam. Al Qaeda and Al Shabaab are khawarij. Believing in the sharia doesn't mean that one is Al Qaeda or Al Shabaab.

And yes, I am well aware what secularism is- and I oppose it.

It's really absurd to, Ayaan Hirsi Ali style, equate believing in sharia with khawarij groups. Every Muslim scholar ever believed in the sharia. Are you going to tell me Al Ghazali was Al Shabaab?

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) implemented the sharia. You think Western white people know better than Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)? In the terminology of people who use the term "Islamist," Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) would have been an Islamist. All the sahaba and Muslim scholars would have been "islamists".

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

Japan and South Korea could use Islam. Al Qaeda and Al Shabaab are khawarij. Believing in the sharia doesn't mean that one is Al Qaeda or Al Shabaab.

And yes, I am well aware what secularism is- and I oppose it.

It's really absurd to, Ayaan Hirsi Ali style, equate believing in sharia with khawarij groups. Every Muslim scholar ever believed in the sharia. Are you going to tell me Al Ghazali was Al Shabaab?

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) implemented the sharia. You think Western white people know better than Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)? In the terminology of people who use the term "Islamist," Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) would have been an Islamist. All the sahaba and Muslim scholars would have been "islamists".

You can't have your cake and eat it. You can't call those who fight for Islamist governments khawarij and their governments taghut for not ruling by you neo-sharia code. Btw, Ghazali is against your kind. Even though he thought math was haram lol... Don't use ancient scholars to judge the present

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

Japan and South Korea could use Islam. Al Qaeda and Al Shabaab are khawarij. Believing in the sharia doesn't mean that one is Al Qaeda or Al Shabaab.

And yes, I am well aware what secularism is- and I oppose it.

It's really absurd to, Ayaan Hirsi Ali style, equate believing in sharia with khawarij groups. Every Muslim scholar ever believed in the sharia. Are you going to tell me Al Ghazali was Al Shabaab?

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) implemented the sharia. You think Western white people know better than Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)? In the terminology of people who use the term "Islamist," Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) would have been an Islamist. All the sahaba and Muslim scholars would have been "islamists".

btw Islam isn't against the development and system that is working for Asia. Weather you like or not there are hadeeth that say some ayaat cure diseases; does that mean the sharia prescribes that for all times or is it subjective to the 7th century and past metaphysical miracles?

 

[Sol]

My favourite one is where we say we will never allow a single gaal to ever step foot in Somalia let alone build churches when we do the exact same thing in Western countries. Not saying I'm for it but we need to be self aware wallahi