Why are Somalis so xenophobic ?

[AdoonkaAlle]

Yes those questions have everything to do with it, they're not irrelevant, if you had functioning braincells you would admit that you can't answer the questions instead of making a fuss out of it. No mention of the word somali in those sources . Manuscripts and oral history of Marka takes precedence over what those sources say as the manuscripts are written by the natives . Why is it that hawiyes don't have marka in their oral history or any of those 50 hut villages that were supposedly in the region

Two of the geographers contradicted eachother when mentioning the location of hawiyes base and those 50 hut villages. Either way Reer Marka have preserved their history and sources from marka are more than enough

They don't have any sort of relevancy to what those arab geographers stated at ALL! it's a given fact that they were muslims & as such had to have mosques, burial sites etc. We're talking about 900 yrs ago, whatever structures that were built at that time are either destroyed, built over, reused & whatnot as time passed on.

So you're an expert in the oral history of hawiye to conclude that they didn't have any presence in merka etc ? out of curiosity can you recall how many houses, villages your ancestors lived in let's say 200, 300, 500 yrs ago ?

Since you keep mentioning manuscripts, sources etc can you even cite one from 11-13 century about the presence of benadiri people in merka at that time ? do you have anything even prior to that time period ? if not then what in the world are you arguing about ?

Two of the geographers contradicted eachother when mentioning the location of hawiyes base and those 50 hut villages. Either way Reer Marka have preserved their history and sources from marka are more than enough

They don't contradict each other in fact both them state that hawiye lived on the bank of the river & it's ibn said who considered merca to be the capital of hawiye given their close proximity to the city.

If you want to argue otherwise at least back up your claims with something more substantial rather than engaging in historical revisionism & outright denial of facts simply because of your hatred of ethnic somalis.

 

[Khaem]

we even welcome these tigray and oromo into our land as refugees, we way too kind walahi

You never see Somali flooding any city in Ethiopia.

Yet we let these people come to dir dhaba, jigjiga ect. And all we are met with is ethnic based savagery.

My mum went to dir dhaba all the time from the railroad in Djibouti when she was a child and it was a mostly somali city. If you go there now it is a typical Ethiopian city like Addis and they even changed the name to Dire Dawa which means literally nothing. It's like Pakistanis moving into London and renaming it Londonstan.

We have been to kind to these people for too long.

 

[Khaem]

They don't have any sort of relevancy to what those arab geographers stated at ALL! it's a given fact that they were muslims & as such had to have mosques, burial sites etc. We're talking about 900 yrs ago, whatever structures that were built at that time are either destroyed, built over, reused & whatnot as time passed on.

So you're an expert in the oral history of hawiye to conclude that they didn't have any presence in merka etc ? out of curiosity can you recall how many houses, villages your ancestors lived in let's say 200, 300, 500 yrs ago ?

Since you keep mentioning manuscripts, sources etc can you even cite one from 11-13 century about the presence of benadiri people in merka at that time ? do you have anything even prior to that time period ? if not then what in the world are you arguing about ?




They don't contradict each other in fact both them state that hawiye lived on the bank of the river & it's ibn said who considered merca to be the capital of hawiye given their close proximity to the city.

If you want to argue otherwise at least back up your claims with something more substantial rather than engaging in historical revisionism & outright denial of facts simply because of your hatred of ethnic somalis.

Makes sense as Ajuran was a hawiye confederation I believe and Merca was the capital of the empire

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

Makes sense as Ajuran was a hawiye confederation I believe and Merca was the capital of the empire

Not just hawiye but also other qabil from raxaanweyn etc, it was a sultanate that reigned over a vast area in konfuur where different qabils lived.

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Cope.

These are just people trying to include others who diverge from the standard which is someone from the Somali Clans.

The Somali ethnicity is one of the most homegenous and largest in East Africa.

Is being Somali limited to Samaale only?

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Why do we need graves of mythical patriarchs.
Genetic evidence points towards the ethno genisis of the Somali being in modern somaliland. A Google search is all you need.

I can declare you a bastard all I want.
Take a 23 & me and you'll find out yourself.

You're the one coping so hard by saying there's no such thing as a Somali ethnicity as cope cause you aren't part of it.

So you don't even believe your ancestors exist, you're a funny one . I just feel dissapointed for your ancestors, imagine you having kids and 30 generations down the line , your descendants start doubting your existence.

Clearly you don't know what bastard means a DNA test doesn't define if you're a bastard or not again thanks for the ajr young one.

It's not cope , why would I want to be part of it to begin with

 

[Khaem]

So you don't even believe your ancestors exist, you're a funny one . I just feel dissapointed for your ancestors, imagine you having kids and 30 generations down the line , your descendants start doubting your existence.

Clearly you don't know what bastard means a DNA test doesn't define if you're a bastard or not again thanks for the ajr young one.

It's not cope , why would I want to be part of it to begin with

What are you on about? All peoples have a founding mythical person that started their tribe.

Samaale & Sab are the men who are said to have started the Somali tribe.
They probably didn't exist in the way their story tells. Somalis didn't magically appear out of a guys ball sack.

The Somali ethnicity originated from a line.

Original cushites of Nile valley In Sudan (9,000 years ago) -> Proto lowland cushite (7000-8000 Yr ago) -> lowland east Cushtiic (6000-7000 yr ago) - > Proto Somali (6000-2000~~ yr ago)


It is cope, your entire identy revolves around beefing Somalis who the country belongs to.
Every post about somalis your dumbass in in there. Go to r/Indiaspeaks they're as idiotic as you.

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

They don't have any sort of relevancy to what those arab geographers stated at ALL! it's a given fact that they were muslims & as such had to have mosques, burial sites etc. We're talking about 900 yrs ago, whatever structures that were built at that time are either destroyed, built over, reused & whatnot as time passed on.

Yes they do have relevance, there's masjids from that time and beyond in banaadir coast who's builders are known and gravesites from that time and beyond.

The three oldest masjids of marka are Masjid Al Jaami'ah ( Jaamacada) , Masjid Awbaali and Masjid Muhammad 'Aafil all built in 7th hijri century by same family Hussein Ad-Darki. If it's hard for you to prove that they built masjids atleast prove where those 50 hut villages would be , surely it can't be that hard

So you're an expert in the oral history of hawiye to conclude that they didn't have any presence in merka etc ? out of curiosity can you recall how many houses, villages your ancestors lived in let's say 200, 300, 500 yrs ago ?

It wouldn't be some magical online discovery if it was mentioned in their oral history, in marka the earliest hawiyes are known and they are shukureere and juunji who both migrated after the migration of biimaal so around 400 years ago .

Yes I can recall

Since you keep mentioning manuscripts, sources etc can you even cite one from 11-13 century about the presence of banadiri people in marka at that time ? do you have anything even prior to that time period ? if not then what in the world are you arguing about ?

The wording of the question is wrong, you don't even understand what banadiri means . They're not people that came to the area they're the ones from the area whoever came becomes banadiri.

All the manuscripts of marka prove my point like the ones translated by Charles Guillain and Pantano

They don't contradict each other in fact both them state that hawiye lived on the bank of the river & it's ibn said who considered merca to be the capital of hawiye given their close proximity to the city.

If you want to argue otherwise at least back up your claims with something more substantial rather than engaging in historical revisionism & outright denial of facts simply because of your hatred of ethnic somalis.

Yes they do contradict, As Al Idirisi placed hawiye villages near Xaafuuni mountain, whereas ibn Sa'iid who came after Al Idirisi by over a century says its marka . Even if it was said that migrated south during that period it's illogical as they would be mentioned in oral history of clans in the region like Jiido or by manuscripts of Reer Marka.

Again another slander by claiming I hate ethnic somalis

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

What are you on about? All peoples have a founding mythical person that started their tribe.

Samaale & Sab are the men who are said to have started the Somali tribe.
They probably didn't exist in the way their story tells. Somalis didn't magically appear out of a guys ball sack.

The Somali ethnicity originated from a line.

Original cushites of Nile valley In Sudan (9,000 years ago) -> Proto lowland cushite (7000-8000 Yr ago) -> lowland east Cushtiic (6000-7000 yr ago) - > Proto Somali (6000-2000~~ yr ago)


It is cope, your entire identy revolves around beefing Somalis who the country belongs to.
Every post about somalis your dumbass in in there. Go to r/Indiaspeaks they're as idiotic as you.

Did the names Sab and Samaale come out thin air? Did Sab and Samaale not have tribesmen? What happened to descendants of their tribesmen? If you find the answers to those questions it will answer your doubts.

Why weren't descendants of sab and samaale all calling themselves somali up until colonization?. The country doesn't belong to reer samaale, Somalia isn't one tuulo that u get to unuka leh in your petty fkd sessions . Each certain land is owned by its people

 

[Khaem]

Did the names Sab and Samaale come out thin air? Did Sab and Samaale not have tribesmen? What happened to descendants of their tribesmen? If you find the answers to those questions it will answer your doubts.

Why weren't descendants of sab and samaale all calling themselves somali up until colonization?. The country doesn't belong to reer samaale, Somalia isn't one tuulo that u get to unuka leh in your petty fkd sessions . Each certain land is owned by its people

Are you on the spectrum?

 

[Burqad]

Did the names Sab and Samaale come out thin air? Did Sab and Samaale not have tribesmen? What happened to descendants of their tribesmen? If you find the answers to those questions it will answer your doubts.

Why weren't descendants of sab and samaale all calling themselves somali up until colonization?. The country doesn't belong to reer samaale, Somalia isn't one tuulo that u get to unuka leh in your petty fkd sessions . Each certain land is owned by its people

Good post. I agree but you need to include us Jabartis as distinct from Samaales and Sab.

 

[niggaibnh]

If you were really from Xamar and your family grew up in Xamar, you wouldn’t be debating with me about the fact that the Reer Xamari community are seen as Somali. I know they aren’t ethnic but at least 50% of their DNA is indeed Somali you nacaas. Don’t ever call me stupid. I know more about Xamar than you ever could. You’re not native to Xamar nor is your family. They’re even named after the city along with reer Barawi. I know for a fact that you’re not from Xamar. What are you? Reer Puntland? Stick to that.

The city ain’t named after them that’s one thing

 

[niggaibnh]

Would you say Carab Salax who look identical to ethnic Somalis and are all MJs since that is what 98% of the blood is, apart from their founding father a Mehri aren’t Somali?

Carab saalax are different
They’re heavily mixed with Somali not just by culture or language but dna
In today world they’re around 99-90% Somali

 

[niggaibnh]

Barawnis and the rest like shaynisio somethink like that didn’t build xamar or even the costal areas rather it was hawiye themselves and they didn’t even rule anything in the south.

My other side of my family are all from xamar and lived there
Madowwayne, shaynisio, barawnis etc are considered Somalis simple due to having the same culture and language. To be fair no one thinks “oh barawnis have Arab blood on them so they’re different “ like that in xamar . Everyone it seems as Somali but people tend to forgot Madowwanye and the rest of the minorities have Somali blood on them as well even more reason they’re considered Somali.

Someone that doesn’t come from xamar wouldn’t considered them (minorities) as Somali since they don’t live in that area or even contact them which make sense to be fair but people in moqudishu sees them as Somali the same way they do with themselves and others (PL, SL etc )

I consider them as Somali just for being somalized and having Somali blood with them.
some of my closest friends don’t look like Somali but considered them as Somali because they speak just like me and eat the same food like me

 

[Sophisticate]

Tbh we weren’t. Example the Warsengeli Sultanate wasn’t ruling the Hawiyes and other Southern clans. The Ajurans weren’t ruling the Isaa for instance. We were before colonization never united and that’s a fact. But we understood we were an ethnic group and only married each other and saw each other as one peoples with separate rulerships.

Also, clan warfare is an unfortunate part of our history. The Issa would often terrorize the Samaroons. The Isaaqs will often fight the Dhulbahante. This is our history. We never United, but we saw each other as one people and would often arrange marriages to halt wars and the like. We understood that we were highly related and homogeneous


Yep.

Yep, it was normal for most of the world. It’s fine whilst we weren’t United, we were and saw each other as one ethnic group and have done so for thousands of years. Our genetics shows that Somalis would often marry Somalis from other clans but avoid foreigners. Even our own DNA showcases that we as Somalis have always existed and that our ancestors whilst politically separated saw each other as being one heritage and kin. We were always one people.

Terrorize. Nope. Fought mostly in areas where they bordered, yes. Generally, only frontier tribes in Samaroon had intermarriages with other clans. Most married other Samaroons/Gadabuursi of different branches.

Certain areas in the heart of our lands in Ethiopia where Samaroon are settled are named after Non-Samaroon or even Non-Somali Kings buried there upon defeat. That is all I'm liable to say. I won't go into detail. To avoid mischaracterization or factionalism.

All I can say is according to history, they were far from miskeen. Also, it makes little sense to assume all tribes have the same practices while ignoring how they operate in a local or historic context, which is likely to vary. @Arkan Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

What makes the city Somali? It's part of Somalia now it wasn't Somali before, it would be insulting if I was a banadiri from galmudug that claimed galmudug was my land . Reer samaale were welcomed to banaadir and the banadiri samaales acknowledge that and are happy with it.
No need for all the fake emotions use that elsewhere

All somali cities were part of somalia and what makes somali cities is it is in somali ppl lands and somali ppl own it which i think you foreigners don't own it nor build it you quest in our lands you shouldn't claim it
I think U foreigners don't own cities in somali ppl lands

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

Yes they do have relevance, there's masjids from that time and beyond in banaadir coast who's builders are known and gravesites from that time and beyond.

The three oldest masjids of marka are Masjid Al Jaami'ah ( Jaamacada) , Masjid Awbaali and Masjid Muhammad 'Aafil all built in 7th hijri century by same family Hussein Ad-Darki. If it's hard for you to prove that they built masjids atleast prove where those 50 hut villages would be , surely it can't be that hard

You’re disputing facts stated by 3 arab geographers simply because they negate your claims of you guys being natives to that region/cities. Yet when I ask for evidence to prove your claims you’ve no independent sources except your people’s historical narrative & want me to take your claims as factual. Do you see the problem here sxb ?

It wouldn't be some magical online discovery if it was mentioned in their oral history, in marka the earliest hawiyes are known and they are shukureere and juunji who both migrated after the migration of biimaal so around 400 years ago .

Yes I can recall

So the oral history of hawiye is now dependent on the bendari one ? More importantly we’ve historical records by arabs placing hawiye in that area/city etc 5 centuries earlier than your claims & you want me to believe you?

The wording of the question is wrong, you don't even understand what banadiri means . They're not people that came to the area they're the ones from the area whoever came becomes banadiri.

All the manuscripts of marka prove my point like the ones translated by Charles Guillain and Pantano

If that’s the case then all ethnic somalis who came to the area & lived there for centuries prior to any arab, persian or indian settlers would be considered benadiri. Furthermore you wouldn’t be on ss arguing that it was “your” people who built the coastal cities etc or making a distinction between them & ethnic somalis. We also wouldn’t be having this discussion at all if benadiri simply meant people who came to the area.

Please present a link, pdf, copy etc to the manuscripts translated by Charles guillain & pantano so that we can read & confirm for ourselves whether your claims are factual or not

Yes they do contradict, As Al Idirisi placed hawiye villages near Xaafuuni mountain, whereas ibn Sa'iid who came after Al Idirisi by over a century says its marka . Even if it was said that migrated south during that period it's illogical as they would be mentioned in oral history of clans in the region like Jiido or by manuscripts of Reer Marka.

Again another slander by claiming I hate ethnic somalis

No he doesn’t, from the pic that I posted it explicitly states that Al idrisi mentions hawiye living near the banks of a river near merca. Also it’s the author who citing Al Idrisi who says that hawiye lived between ras hafuni & merca. There’s no slander here, more of an exact observation of your posts here in ss trying to belittle & deny accomplishments & history of ethnic somalis.

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

The city ain’t named after them that’s one thing

No the city isn't they're named after the city just like makkah isn't named after people of makkah but people of makkah are named after the city, for example when a xamari was to venture into the far hinterlands for the purpose of trade and was asked who he was he would say reer xamar, he wouldn't identify by his tribe as it wouldn't be known to people deep in the hinterland same case for the rest of banadiri towns

 

[Arkan]

Terrorize. Nope. Fought mostly in areas where they bordered, yes. Generally, only frontier tribes in Samaroon had intermarriages with other clans. Most married other Samaroons/Gadabuursi of different branches.

Certain areas in the heart of our lands in Ethiopia where Samaroon are settled are named after Non-Samaroon or even Non-Somali Kings buried there upon defeat. That is all I'm liable to say. I won't go into detail. To avoid mischaracterization or factionalism.

All I can say is according to history, they were far from miskeen. Also, it makes little sense to assume all tribes have the same practices while ignoring how they operate in a local or historic context, which is likely to vary. @Arkan Correct me if I'm wrong.

This Southerner @Angelina doesn't know whats she's talking about and made that up. I couldn't have said it better.

 

[Sophisticate]

This Southerner @Angelina doesn't know whats she's talking about and made that up. I couldn't have said it better.

I don't blame people for being unaware. Most of us don't speak loudly about ourselves and we often refrain from FKD. I'm generally guarded about our history and not as apt to share that much.