DIR WAA IRIR SAMAALE
Who is a Somali?
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Whats the other side?
rayxn3
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My mother is hawiye which is why I’m hawiye. If I marry a french man my kids will be hawiye because of me. Lineage is maternal. Somalia is a matriarch
can be anything unless coloniser that deserves to be erased
good for you my hawiye sister
Ion get itcan be anything unless coloniser that deserves to be erased
hypothetical half Somali just an example.To me half Somalis are just half Somalis they shouldn’t be called Somali because they have another side that shouldn’t be erased.unless the other side is coloniser then it deserves to be erased (joke)
While there are no official statistics, it's likely that Somali men marry outside their community at higher rates than Somali women. However, the difference lies in that Somali woman who marry out stay part of the Somali community, meaning you see them more as a Somali. Somali men who marry outside may not always introduce their children to their Somali culture, perhaps due to feelings of shame or divore.
In the case of divorce their non-Somali spouses, leaving their mixed-race children with the non-Somali parent, alienating them from their Somali heritage.
The argument that children with Somali fathers would be more in tune with their Somali identity compared to those with Somali mothers in practice tends to be weak, again no data expect anecdotes is this musing based on.
Looking at Jewish culture, where ethnic identity is passed down through the maternal line, it incentivizes males to remain within the community since marrying outside would mean their children wouldn't be considered part of the ethnic group.
In the case of divorce their non-Somali spouses, leaving their mixed-race children with the non-Somali parent, alienating them from their Somali heritage.
The argument that children with Somali fathers would be more in tune with their Somali identity compared to those with Somali mothers in practice tends to be weak, again no data expect anecdotes is this musing based on.
Looking at Jewish culture, where ethnic identity is passed down through the maternal line, it incentivizes males to remain within the community since marrying outside would mean their children wouldn't be considered part of the ethnic group.
Yami
4th Emir of the Akh Right Movement
No. The Akisho that didn't end up assimilating into Isaaq claim Dir as a protected clan. They're originally Oromos from the countryside of Harar and their real clan name is Akkichu
NidarNidar
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Dir are Somali, they are some assimilated Dir and other Somali clans like Hawiye and Darood that got absorbed by Oromo, majority of Dir and Isaaq are T-L208 so the notion of us being Oromo is alien, Oromo mostly have A,B, J1 and E-V32 haplogroups.
Have we ever had a person get tested from Akisho?
I wouldn't be surprised if they are Somali originally, before being reassimilated
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Anyone who states that Dir are Oromo deserve to be smacked
NidarNidar
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It's the oldest and weakest of the big families cause it's been fragmented for the past 500 years, it's happening to the rest now, especially after the futuh al habash.
Akisho are Somali Madaxweyne Dir who were amongst the first to experience the brunt of Oromo expansion and became Oromised. If you look at their subs there aren't really any non Somali names either. Simple DNA test will probably show they are indeed of Dir descent.
Then some of these now Oromised Somali returned to the Somali fold.
NidarNidar
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Ngl we need to reabsorb some of these back if their abtirsi is Somali and genetic testing is done.
The return of Greater Somalia would be crazy Somalia would stretch to deep inside Arsi and Bale
People also try and exclude Jaarso lakin most of them are from a single jilib of Darood Bal'ad Absame
NidarNidar
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My maternal great-grandmother was Jarso, she married my great-grandfather who was Gadabursi near Diridhaba(after WW2) who is from the same sub-clan as me, her haplogroup was J1B, which is only found in high concentration in Sudan and the coast of the horn, outside of Africa it's found primarily in the middle east.
Jaarso are Dir, not Darood, they are related to the Gurgura who operated the lucrative trade route deep in Ethiopia.
Yes I know they are Dir but it seems some of them abtiris to Absame.
Is that Y-DNA or mitochondrial- only people around that area I might expect to have that are the Ashraf of the Oromo who are called Sherifa
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NidarNidar
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mitochondrial.
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You actually managed to traipse your way over the most contentious issue of the debate: are Somalis in occupied territories Somalis, which is wherein lies the rub for the proponents of the new law, which seeks to exclude them by planting the idea of equating them with refugees in Europe and N America into the minds of the 'maangaab', who have already started parroting said argument? The shift in nationalism in just a couple of generations boggles the mind.
You are raising valid questions, but unfortunately the Somali law has always been through paternal lineage. Sorry walaal, who is this Darod noble chap you so highly speak of?
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