What's the worst sin somebody can commit?

[psyche]

It’s emic vs ettic your looking at it from an outsiders view, according to Islam there’s no such thing as not choosing to be gay, it is a willing choice as well as all these haram fetishes are a choice and you chose to fall into them and having haram desires is not good you need to purify your mind and ask for sincere tawbah

Desires are our no.1 enemy for a believer, some people just cannot help but be attracted to what they truly desire.

 

[Kratos]

Sahib you don’t know the history of atheism or what it means it’s literally Greek for not thiest not just god, so it is anti religion, athiestic claims also need evidence that’s impossible to provide since you can’t logically disprove the existence of god and the burden of proof is on them for their claim that god doesn’t exist, as for morality if you don’t believe in an after life like thiests then at the end of the day we’re all living in a simulation that doesn’t matter and with out the concept of heaven or hell we all end up in the same result anyways rendering morals meaningless

I know the etymology of the word but it's not meaningful really. The modern version of the word has a slightly different meaning. The term used to describe people who are opposed to religion/god is anti-theist. It's just semantics but you don't technically need to be opposed to religion or god to be an atheist. Depending on how broad or narrow you define it, being unconvinced is good enough.

as for morality if you don’t believe in an after life like thiests then at the end of the day we’re all living in a simulation that doesn’t matter and with out the concept of heaven or hell we all end up in the same result anyways rendering morals meaningless

Again, that's not true. In religious tradition, heaven and hell are dualities that aim to encourage people to do good and to discourage them from doing evil. You don't need heaven and hell in order to express morality, it's the other way around. Heaven and hell exist (in religion) because morality exists. In contrast to religion, secular moral philosophies are more concerned with worldly consequences, thus the mechanisms which encourage people to do good would have a worldly basis. If you take away heaven and hell, it would only render religious morality meaningless because you are trying to earn a spot in heaven.

 

[AussieHustler]

This is what im talking about... you arent somali, whats the meaning of balaayo

@TheThing

Balaayo is a bloke like you.

 

[TheThing]

@TheThing

Balaayo is a bloke like you.

Go to the outback iyo kangaroo hu ku qaniinto!

 

[AIOPZ]

Loooooooooool

So murder, rape and pedofillia didn’t make the cut?

Interesting

We all know those are bad but the ones I listed are frequently debated so that's why I only mentioned them and not the ones you listed. Hopefully that clears it up a bit.

 

[AIOPZ]

Why don't you try calling them back to the religion instead? Especially if you care about them

I will try and always try but many of them really just blow off your words and continue with their kaffirnimo, so it's very difficult.

 

[government]

What if you make sincere tawbah and aren’t caught in the real world like the guy who killed 100 men

Allahu aclam but Allah is the most forgiving if you do sincere tawaba

 

[Zucchini]

Voting in kufur system

 

[Hmmmm]

Those who don't flush the toilet after use

 

[A_A]

Rape and pedofillia are not sex, they are sexual attacks, stop using ignorant terms

I don’t know what to tell you, but rape is sex. It’s sex using force and without the consent of one person. Ilaan all your life do you think people just played cards or something??

 

[A_A]

Forgiveness depends on your situation and your heart. Sincerity is important, if you think that you can commit a crime and just make tawbah and all is good. Your sorely mistaken. Remember that Allah is the best of all planners.

 

[Suldaanka]

That doesnt make any sense. What if i shoot up a school, run over old women with my bmw, hunt prostitutes and cut their limbs up will i still go to heaven if i just repent?

Dont spread false information. If that was true then i dont think anyone would get punished. Everybody would just commit crimes and repent directly after.

Yes. If you come with sincere tawbah. Allah forgives everything except shirk before death.


Diinta so baarta

 

[Caraweelo]

None of the above.

zina : it is religious term and only apply on those who practice religion but in general it is a normal consenting relationship between adults and NOTHING wrong with it.

Khaniisnimo: if you mean being gay or transgender then being gay and transgender are normal and nothing wrong with them.

Gaalnimo: converting to another religion or becoming atheist is the right of everyone. you can't force people to stay in the religion they inherit from their families.

Munafiqun: being purposely double-faces person is wrong

Disloyalty towards family: there are many families who abuse their own children and torture them, therefore children have rights to leave their abusive family and seek better life for themselves.

 

[Tukraq]

I know the etymology of the word but it's not meaningful really. The modern version of the word has a slightly different meaning. The term used to describe people who are opposed to religion/god is anti-theist. It's just semantics but you don't technically need to be opposed to religion or god to be an atheist. Depending on how broad or narrow you define it, being unconvinced is good enough.



Again, that's not true. In religious tradition, heaven and hell are dualities that aim to encourage people to do good and to discourage them from doing evil. You don't need heaven and hell in order to express morality, it's the other way around. Heaven and hell exist (in religion) because morality exists. In contrast to religion, secular moral philosophies are more concerned with worldly consequences, thus the mechanisms which encourage people to do good would have a worldly basis. If you take away heaven and hell, it would only render religious morality meaningless because you are trying to earn a spot in heaven.

Being not convinced Is agnosticism, worldly consequences actually have no weight because there not really consequences, death isn’t really a consequence since we die anyways, neither is any jail time

 

[wawenka]

Religions do not have a monopoly on morality. Morality is essentially the distinction of what is right and wrong. You can have an opinion on what is right and wrong without believing in god. Morals are not just for theists. Absolute morality is for theists (mainly).

Get out of here ! Even the current laws in the western hemisphere that socities adhere too have taken inspiration and foundation from holy scriptures

 

[AIOPZ]

Voting in kufur system

Elaborte, saaxiib. Are you insinuating voting for a gaal is haram?

 

[Kratos]

Get out of here ! Even the current laws in the western hemisphere that socities adhere too have taken inspiration and foundation from holy scriptures

Some*. There are some laws and regulations in Western societies which are remnants of the Judeo-Christian values which shaped them in the early years but the majority of them are not. Freedom of speech and thought, the abolishment of intellectually oppressive blasphemy laws, the abolishment of slavery, democracy, equal rights for women, not killing lgbtq+ people etc. The majority of the laws, regulations and moral values held in the the Western world (apart from some Christian Euro countries) are not religiously inspired. They are deduced from debate, discussion and reason. They urely on a secular moral framework. Find me one religion that promotes freedom of speech pls.

 

[Kratos]

Being not convinced Is agnosticism, worldly consequences actually have no weight because there not really consequences, death isn’t really a consequence since we die anyways, neither is any jail time

Again, it depends on how broadly or narrowly you define atheism.

Worldly consequences do hold weight because we have worldly goals. You don't have to believe in an afterlife in order for death to have meaning. In fact, believing in an afterlife gives death less meaning. A theist is looking forward to death so they can get to heaven. To them the world is just a temporary test and death is the beginning of an eternal life in paradise. To a non-theist the world is everything (usually). We work on this earth in the hopes of making our paradise here. Of course death and jail time would hold much more weight to someone like that than a religious person who is meant to detach themselves from materialism and worldly pleasures in order to focus on racking up good deeds for the afterlife. Everything you do is for the afterlife. Death is trivial in that case

 

[Tukraq]

Again, it depends on how broadly or narrowly you define atheism.

Worldly consequences do hold weight because we have worldly goals. You don't have to believe in an afterlife in order for death to have meaning. In fact, believing in an afterlife gives death less meaning. A theist is looking forward to death so they can get to heaven. To them the world is just a temporary test and death is the beginning of an eternal life in paradise. To a non-theist the world is everything (usually). We work on this earth in the hopes of making our paradise here. Of course death and jail time would hold much more weight to someone like that than a religious person who is meant to detach themselves from materialism and worldly pleasures in order to focus on racking up good deeds for the afterlife. Everything you do is for the afterlife. Death is trivial in that case

sahib theres a difference between atheism and agnosticism, atheists are more narrow as its in reaction to religion, as far as the world being everything for an atheist why would it if you die all the good and bad you've done actually never mattered, wether you lived 10 years or 90 dosent matter just prolonging the inevitable, according to them hitler isn't suffering more than say gahndi intact hitler lived as nice a life as you could have in this world and never suffered any consequences, whats to stop more hitlers in the religious tradition of atheism, nothing because if religion is just a social construct and the opium of the people like atheists claim, then morals are just the same, social constructs and the opium of people that docent hold any really weight or greater meaning

 

[Kratos]

as far as the world being everything for an atheist why would it if you die all the good and bad you've done actually never mattered, wether you lived

It does matter to the individual. People want to live in a safe and well-functioning society. While you're alive, you do what you can to contribute to that, both for your own benefit and for the benefit of your friends, family and wider community. Do you think atheists don't have feelings too? You can also care for your children and the future generation in general and do what you can to ensure they ha e a good life. Do you really need a holy book to tell you that? Could you not figure it out on your own?

according to them hitler isn't suffering more than say gahndi intact hitler lived as nice a life as you could have in this world and never suffered any consequences, whats to stop more hitlers in the religious tradition of atheism

People can do bad things and get away with it. That is reality my friend and it's cruel. We stop more hitlers from popping up via laws, regulations and education. There is no such thing as an atheist religious tradition. Atheism is neither a religion nor a tradition.

if religion is just a social construct and the opium of the people like atheists claim, then morals are just the same, social constructs and the opium of people that docent hold any really weight or greater meaning

I fail to see the relation between the two. If you're implying that you can't have morality without religion, then I've already provided arguments as to why that is false