Thanks a lot bro.Ogaden was taken by Menelik. In the late 1800s Menelik attacked Harar , Somalis cane ti help Hararis because they knew they were the next target of Ethiopian expansion. Unfortunately they didn't succeed and Habashis expanded all over what is now Hararghe Ethiopia (Harar area + Ogaden region). In 1935 Ethiopia was conquered by Italians who ruled it for about 5-6 years untill the British came and kicked them out during WW2. After defeating Italians the Brits gave everything back to the Ethiopian monarchy but kept parts of Ogaden under their temporary control until the end of the war. After the WW2 Britain gave back Ogaden to Ethiopia in the early 1950s despite much protests from Somalis who where waiting for Somalia's independence which was scheduled for 1960 in order to unite with the Somali republic
Ethiopia was given Handed actuallyOgaden was taken by Menelik. In the late 1800s Menelik attacked Harar , Somalis cane ti help Hararis because they knew they were the next target of Ethiopian expansion. Unfortunately they didn't succeed and Habashis expanded all over what is now Hararghe Ethiopia (Harar area + Ogaden region). In 1935 Ethiopia was conquered by Italians who ruled it for about 5-6 years untill the British came and kicked them out during WW2. After defeating Italians the Brits gave everything back to the Ethiopian monarchy but kept parts of Ogaden under their temporary control until the end of the war. After the WW2 Britain gave back Ogaden to Ethiopia in the early 1950s despite much protests from Somalis who where waiting for Somalia's independence which was scheduled for 1960 in order to unite with the Somali republic
This is what I was thinking but much more detailed. Also where did you find these documents?Ethiopia was given Handed actually
Menelik expedition only reached harar of all somali inhabited lands
Here we can clearly see that ogaden was given
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The expedition itself was a british project preventing somalis from firearm and cannons so the Ethiopians could continue their expedition
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After capturing harar the Ethiopian army went expending to somali lands but they lost
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After losing, above it's showen that the british prevented somalis from firearms
The Ethiopians did a 2nd expedition with somalis having nothing but swords and lances and the Ethiopians with the most modern firearms and cannons
The Ethiopians still lost, documented by new york times
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It was given by the british
Ethiopia was a british puppet post tewodros so they will ofc heavily help them
I also heard that they were asking for the northern coast, but they failed to do soEthiopia was given Handed actually
Menelik expedition only reached harar of all somali inhabited lands
Here we can clearly see that ogaden was given
View attachment 292395
The expedition itself was a british project preventing somalis from firearm and cannons so the Ethiopians could continue their expedition
View attachment 292396
After capturing harar the Ethiopian army went expending to somali lands but they lost
View attachment 292397
After losing, above it's showen that the british prevented somalis from firearms
The Ethiopians did a 2nd expedition with somalis having nothing but swords and lances and the Ethiopians with the most modern firearms and cannons
The Ethiopians still lost, documented by new york times
View attachment 292398
It was given by the british
Ethiopia was a british puppet post tewodros so they will ofc heavily help them
Not exactly. While Somali territories were probably not included officially there was an Ethiopian military presence. Ethiopians had a governor in Jigjiga in the late 1800s and Sayyid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan actually took the city and surrounding areas from the ethiopians which means that Xabashis occupied at least parts of the somali region even before the handout in the 50s.Ethiopia was given Handed actually
Menelik expedition only reached harar of all somali inhabited lands
Here we can clearly see that ogaden was given
View attachment 292395
The expedition itself was a british project preventing somalis from firearm and cannons so the Ethiopians could continue their expedition
View attachment 292396
After capturing harar the Ethiopian army went expending to somali lands but they lost
View attachment 292397
After losing, above it's showen that the british prevented somalis from firearms
The Ethiopians did a 2nd expedition with somalis having nothing but swords and lances and the Ethiopians with the most modern firearms and cannons
The Ethiopians still lost, documented by new york times
View attachment 292398
It was given by the british
Ethiopia was a british puppet post tewodros so they will ofc heavily help them
My data baseThis is what I was thinking but much more detailed. Also where did you find these documents?
Are you talking about that one man who amxaras claim he founded jigjiga? When did he rule it?Not exactly. While Somali territories were probably not included officially there was an Ethiopian military presence. Ethiopians had a governor in Jigjiga in the late 1800s and Sayyid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan actually took the city and surrounding areas from the ethiopians which means that Xabashis occupied at least parts of the somali region even before the handout in the 50s.
Nah bro under somali rule exclusively.It was handed to menelik by the Brits. One day Hawd and Ogaden regions will be free under Somali-Arab rule InshaAllah
The Abyssinians captured the Ogaden region by force
Which Abbyssininas were this?? Oromo??Abyssinian raiding parties have reached Balcad near Xamar and you guys are talking about Jijiga and Harar. They even occupied and ruled Luuq for months before the Italians expelled them from that town and have raided Raxanweyn region(Baydhabo) every year between 1891 to 1905 forcing them to pay tribute.
Amhara neftenya and their Oromo foot soldiersWhich Abbyssininas were this?? Oromo??
All way to Xamar wtf?? There was constant skirmishes in Ogaden and Gedo even but never a full captureAmhara neftenya and their Oromo foot soldiers
There were no skirmishes. Somalis simply had no answer to the Abyssinian coordination and firearms and were forced to submit. Some random successful ambushes may have happened here and there but they were exceptions to the ruleAll way to Xamar wtf?? There was constant skirmishes in Ogaden and Gedo even but never a full capture
Which Cities and Clans exactly were forced to submit??There were no skirmishes. Somalis simply had no rebuttals for the Abyssinians' coordination and firearms and were forced to submit. Some random successful ambushes may have happened here and there but they were exceptions to the rule