Was ogaden ever taken?

[Step a side]

The southern Amhara invasion that reached balcad was pushed back by barsane where the Ethiopians where defeated decisively at Gumar Sheel and decided to determine their border at beledweyne. Many clans of Afgooye on the southern shabelle valley rose up and came to assist in some form including gobroon. Hintire was one of them though not mentioned in the gabay.

 

[attash]

Abyssinian raiding parties have reached Balcad near Xamar and you guys are talking about Jijiga and Harar. They even occupied and ruled Luuq for months before the Italians expelled them from that town and have raided Raxanweyn region(Baydhabo) every year between 1891 to 1905 forcing them to pay tribute.

This is false. Menelik's forces were defeated and expelled from Luuq by the Sultan of Geledi and his armies, the Italians had nothing to do with it.

 

[GaradShabeel]

Ogaden was taken by Menelik. In the late 1800s Menelik attacked Harar , Somalis cane ti help Hararis because they knew they were the next target of Ethiopian expansion. Unfortunately they didn't succeed and Habashis expanded all over what is now Hararghe Ethiopia (Harar area + Ogaden region). In 1935 Ethiopia was conquered by Italians who ruled it for about 5-6 years untill the British came and kicked them out during WW2. After defeating Italians the Brits gave everything back to the Ethiopian monarchy but kept parts of Ogaden under their temporary control until the end of the war. After the WW2 Britain gave back Ogaden to Ethiopia in the early 1950s despite much protests from Somalis who where waiting for Somalia's independence which was scheduled for 1960 in order to unite with the Somali republic

Aside from the Harar sultantate and the Ogaden region, Menelik also took over Hawd & Reserve area. However, since it was part of British Somaliland, they voluntarily ceded the sovereignty of Hawd to Menelik through the Anglo-Ethiopian agreement in 1897 since he assisted them against the resistance of the locals. To my understanding most of the Cisse land was neither part of Harar, Ogaden or Hawd and the Ethiopian also took over their land separately @sultan.ali177

 

[Step a side]

There's numerous episodes of events that occured in north east africa involving those battles before reaching other hawiye

1. Meneliks war using Shoawan armies attacking bale arussi and sidama between 1882. These wars were on the periphery and we fought alongside their muslim armies that were tied to brotherhoods that went on for decades and centuries including the sudanese revolt, there were Somali Salihiyas like Sheekh Sayid Mohamed of the Karanle that spent time with the Sudanese fighters as did the Isaaq HY Sultan Nuur Amaan but the Egyptian presence that grew exponentially blocked a greater regional war by curbing Christian expansion until Colonial powers came to the horizon. Similarly Sh Uweeys al Baraawi spread his ideology to South Eastern Africa that was called Uwaysiyya that challenged German East Africa.

2. After the Egyptians left their Ottoman possessions in the Somali peninsula, Menelik warred capturing harar in the chelenqo war of 1887. Massacring and deporting ancient somali dwellers of the city including sheekhaal, gugundhabe and karanles. This was the fight that involved Sheekh Maxamed Khaliif an Abgaal and he was executed on his sword outside his mosque the biggest of the city and became known as Khaliif Caanabaxay for his blood produced Milk. He was a Wali Allah and loved by the people. His descendants live in Babili. This was when Karanles in Babile were on vigilant alert while many moved to safer pastures behind the mountains, Menelik was not looking to expand initially and tried negotiating with Britain, Italy and France for weapons, recognition and support. Menelik put Ras Makonnen in charge of Harar whose son is future emperor Haile Selassie.

2. By 1895 he controlled the harar routes to assab, obock, zeila and he created an outpost at Jigjiga, and once Britain/Italy/France were consolidating their borders, Menelik knew they would start creating his borders too so he expanding via the Jarar river and Ter river to the south starting at Imey and Dhagaxbuur. This was when Garad Omar of the Gidir and Ugaas Mahad of Sixawle the great grandfather of the current Sixawle Ugaas fought heavily at Harmaale.

3. Thes wars continued, the jiidle and jajeele in the poem were fighting in mayumaluqu, the dagoodi fought the Amhara many times in Negeyle area, but this time the Amhara co-opted Boranas against the Somalis. Olol Diinle's father was captured by the Ethiopians in Baareey.

4. By 1900 they reached the outskirts of luuq, beledweyne and wardheer. This was the Amharas last push into Somalia that had a string of defeats most famously the Gumar sheel defeat.

5. Menelik started drawing back but continued isolated raids especially disrupting the luuq area that had an italian flag since 1895. Until 1908 Menelik would switch between making deals with the Mad Mullah and raiding other clans to divide Somalis.

6. Once Lij Yasu took over, the emperor improved relations between all groups and Axis rivals Turkey and Germany to the extent he was deemed a threat by the Ethiopian nobility and eventually deposed in a military coup by folks close to Haile Selassie. This was when they struck his positions in Harar that Karanle chiefs and other Hawiyes scorth earthed Harar during the start of the first WW.

7. After the end of WW Italy became powerful and built an impressive army that would finally topple the independent kingdom of Ethiopia and they used Olol Dinle to capture Addis Ababa and Harar, the Italians call him the first Somali since Gurey to capture Ethiopian capitals.

8. Successive Somali governments since 1960 supported Eritrea, Bale and rebel fronts to fight the Ethiopians with two major wars 1964 and 1977. The first gold medalists of that war were reer ceelbuur, Xalane, Doonyale and Cilmi Nuur. 1 duduble, 1 hg and 1 murusade. Cilmi nuur won a second medal in 1977.

 

[Step a side]

Sheekh maxamed saalax the teacher in Makkah and Yemen of the Saliyiyh order that taught the Karanle sheikh was a Sudani by origin and from the Dongola area at the banks of the river Nile the same town as the Sudanese Mahdist. Infact the dervish name and clothing came from these Sudanese warriors before it was imported into Somali territories.

 

[Garaad Awal]

*Somali Galbeed my historical lands never belonged to "Ogadens"

 

[SamaaleCushite]

Ethiopia was given Handed actually
Menelik expedition only reached harar of all somali inhabited lands
Here we can clearly see that ogaden was given
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The expedition itself was a british project preventing somalis from firearm and cannons so the Ethiopians could continue their expedition
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After capturing harar the Ethiopian army went expending to somali lands but they lost
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After losing, above it's showen that the british prevented somalis from firearms
The Ethiopians did a 2nd expedition with somalis having nothing but swords and lances and the Ethiopians with the most modern firearms and cannons
The Ethiopians still lost, documented by new york times
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It was given by the british
Ethiopia was a british puppet post tewodros so they will ofc heavily help them

They were also crushed by geledi in luuq they lost 11,000

 

[SamaaleCushite]

*Somali Galbeed my historical lands never belonged to "Ogadens"

Its irelevant who it belongs to ya axmaq aslong as somalis rule it

 

[SamaaleCushite]

Sheekh maxamed saalax the teacher in Makkah and Yemen of the Saliyiyh order that taught the Karanle sheikh was a Sudani by origin and from the Dongola area at the banks of the river Nile the same town as the Sudanese Mahdist. Infact the dervish name and clothing came from these Sudanese warriors before it was imported into Somali territories.

most dervishes were wearing somali clothing stop the cap

 

[SamaaleCushite]

Abyssinian raiding parties have reached Balcad near Xamar and you guys are talking about Jijiga and Harar. They even occupied and ruled Luuq for months before the Italians expelled them from that town and have raided Raxanweyn region(Baydhabo) every year between 1891 to 1905 forcing them to pay tribute.

How many clans across somaliweyn defeated xabesha in battle even recorded by cadaans if you dont believe somalis? Kulaha they reached balcad kkk the closest they got was luuq thanks to italians literally pushing and supporting them with guns and stil they lost to clansmen there.

I need some sources sxb or i will auto assume you to be a hateful qoti larping as somali

 

[sultan.ali177]

Aside from the Harar sultantate and the Ogaden region, Menelik also took over Hawd & Reserve area. However, since it was part of British Somaliland, they voluntarily ceded the sovereignty of Hawd to Menelik through the Anglo-Ethiopian agreement in 1897 since he assisted them against the resistance of the locals. To my understanding most of the Cisse land was neither part of Harar, Ogaden or Hawd and the Ethiopian also took over their land separately @sultan.ali177

sitti and dir dhaba were apart of harar and after under the french they gave the land to Ethiopia around 1920-1930, Ogaden region and sitti ( dir dhaba) were separate autonomous regions in Ethiopia untill 1992

 

[Step a side]

most dervishes were wearing somali clothing stop the cap

Stop lying. I’ve studied and researched this years back. Your the one capping here.

 

[Step a side]

Ethiopia from 1560 to 1860 was really weak and fragmented. Successive emperors Tewedros and Yohannes that preceded Menelik were ignored by Western powers to the point they held British priests hostage and the British Victorian crown sent a mercenary army to deal with the crisis resulting in the Emperor comitting suicide and the Shewan Nobility taking over, they were descendants of Sahle Selassie who previously tried to unite Ethiopia in 1831 but had 0 control over the large elite. It wasn't until the Suez Canal opening in 1867 led to the Scramble for Africa and Menelik stupidly sold Eritrea to Italy forfeiting maritime power just to focus on conquering the interior. The correct date of his first war against the Karanle of Imey was in 1890, by then Italy played a proactive role in trying to get a foothold, they accessed Harar through Zeila/Djibouti/Assab, signing conventions with a few clans of Karanle and other clans from 1891 to 1896. Then the big Adwa War removed hopes of direct inteference. The Sayid wars were long and diplomatic. Esp in the Jigjiga to Wardheer area. Whats interesting is that contrary to some claims, his son was the leader of the Bah geri and fought against Ethiopians in 1936 alongside many clans like other OGs and Sheikhal clans that pledged loyalty to Italy. Italy also gathered many southern clans and believed in fighting for Harar to restore the rights of Somalis. Ironically it was less about helping Muslims for them than subverting the orthodox church. The italians were benedictine catholics suffering from clerical fascism. They saw their christianity struggle to survive as a minority against protestant orthodox UK, US, Russia and Ethiopia.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Stop lying. I’ve studied and researched this years back. Your the one capping here.

How come he's lying? The dervish clothes were unique to them
Mahdists had a completely different design
Mahdist

dervish somali

Btw The dubats (somali colonial forces) clothing was inspired by the Dervish movement clothing
Dubat=Duub-ad

 

[Dal7]

How come he's lying? The dervish clothes were unique to them
Mahdists had a completely different design
Mahdist
View attachment 292647 dervish somali
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Btw The dubats (somali colonial forces) clothing was inspired by the Dervish movement clothing
Dubat=Duub-ad

Source?

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Source?

For what

 

[Burqad]

Source?

Here is a miniature of a Dub-Cad.

 

[Dal7]

For what

For the images

 

[Burqad]

For the images

Look up Dubat (Italian version) or Dubcas (British version)

 

[Dal7]

So getting back to my original question? How exactly should I respond to the person who claimed that ethiopia conquered ogaden in 1890. Would like to win the debate, since its like around two people