and if I'm lying in my post above- someone please show me any evidence that China has ever pressured Pakistan into becoming less Islamic. meanwhile it's not a secret at all that the US has pressured Saudi into becoming more Westernized.
Ukraine’s Nazi Problem.
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Just a quick shit-take run I did. I used CHG and ANF for "MENA" (surprised at the moment!) and WHG and EHG for "Euro-HG" but goddamn. I've gotta update myself and see if we have ancient or medieval samples that work better than Nganassans. I'll die if less than 5% of their ancestry is responsible for upwards of 40% of their Y-DNA. Those anthro degenerates would eat this up to death. "The cuckery!" they would say.
I chose a random Bronze Age Baikal sample (I think that should approximate a representative for the Siberian signature, lol). The Russian hunter-gatherer is EHG heavy (eats up some Baikal element, which makes sense, as the Baikal people should have elevated ANE component). Still, I think this model depreciates the true Siberian we want to display.
The Ukrainian differs slightly from the average Russian with less Finnic-like component (probably Scandinavian), and more Anatolian farmer to replace it.
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LOL at one of the Ukrainian Far-Right para-military groups with the Roman idealizations. Those Romans they love so much were Mediterraneans, a lot more eastern-shifted than today's Italians. How do they integrate that, at the same time holding on to a sense of European purity?
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From what I gather, there is this group of relatively unrepresentative Russians from an ex-Finnic area who have been used in many studies. I think I saw Russians complain about it on anthro forums. The RUS group above may be them. Not sure though. A significant portion of ethnic Russians are similar to Ukrainians.
From what I gather, there is this group of relatively unrepresentative Russians from an ex-Finnic area who have been used in many studies. I think I saw Russians complain about it on anthro forums. The RUS group above may be them. Not sure though. A significant portion of ethnic Russians are similar to Ukrainians.
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They have a distorted view on Romans. Yes, the early Romans [Latins, Sabines e.g] were Europeans, but over time they acquired East-Med/Middle-Eastern ancestry as their borders expanded.
Rome at it's zenith was the most racially diverse and cosmopolitan city for it's time. They should have stuck with a Kievan Rus theme lol.
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Pro-Western elements: don't forget what your fighting for... or what you would be fighting for if anyone was crazy enough to fight for your cause
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Hmm, sure, maybe (I don't trust Ruskies on any anthro-related topics, not even their crackpot academics (they always have these unorthodox takes on everything)).
Russians still display internal regional differences after removing the Siberian-influenced samples on G25. Some sections of the Russian cohort will undoubtedly overlap with a section of the Ukrainian population distribution on a PCA plot. From a geographical standpoint, Ukraine lies to the West of Russia. It makes sense to expect elevated Farmer DNA and less Nordic-like.
What do you think romans looked like? Probably middle eastern right?
Karelians? We have Russian samples from all over Russia now so it's no biggie.
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The Roman Empire stretched from Britain all the way down to Syria. There was no one "Roman face", you had Whites & Near-Easterners living under Roman rule.
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And let’s talk about how Russia pressured Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Krgyzstan, Uzbekistan into becoming essentially non-Muslim countries.
The birth place of Imam Bukhari is essentially an irreligious country due to Russia.
Let’s talk about how Russia expelled the indigenous Muslim population of Crimea from their homelands.
Or how Russia closed 96% of the Mosques in Russia.
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Even the early Romans and pre-Rome cultures were eastern-shifted. It is true that they received a northern gene flow when it started to go down for the civilization.
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He means Italians of the time, I assume. In that case, as you and I both know, they would have just looked "Mediterranean" with a stronger and stronger East-Med/MENA shift the more south you went and the more beyond the Kingdom period you went, especially by the late republic to Imperial periods where even what is now Rome roughly looked very East-Med.
Most of us have a bias, but don't delude yourself into thinking one Masta is necessarily better for the entire Umma than the other. I prefer a Western led rules-based International Order because at least they have some checks and balances when it comes to international disputes between countries. It ain't a perfect system as the Israeli occupation of Palestine and Indonesia's occupation of West Papua demonstrate but it will surely be a whole lot worse if China and Russia bring back a Might Makes Right International Order as politically 'stone age' but resource rich countries like my own are Fuc.ked!
The Chinese and Russians will let you be as a Muslim state or individual unless you are a minority, or in their sphere of influence. Yes, if you do not fall into any of the above categories they will generally not interfere in your socio-religious norms. Nonetheless, what you advocate is for individual Muslim States to ignore the grievances of Central Asian Orthodox Muslims and ethnic groups like the Uighur because it is better to have the choice of three Mastas to serve than one? Ask the Rogingya too how they feel about China blocking any serious sanctions against Burma? What kind of fuc.ked up logic is that? Every Masta has an opportunity cost for the Umma hence don't paint it like one is universally better than the other.
Furthermore, Pakistan has sold its soul for monetary survival now that the US has abandoned it. Uighurs? 'Eff em, their religious ethnic cleansing is a sacrifice worth it, anyway all we could do was condemn China but can Our country cannot afford to be broke'. Easy for me to pass judgement on them but Realpolitik is a bitter pill to swallow. Not the best example of a stand up Muslim country, is their one though?
As for Saudi Arabia, no one put pressure on them but the leadership sold their soul too for monetary gain and because MBS is Islamically suspect with his drive for religious reform. Saudi could have continued along the path it was along as long as the oil kept flowing but MBS wanted to diversity revenue sources through liberalisation of the economy and society, not because the West said so. Funny how your some of the Salafi scholars have maintained silence. What is your stance on their silence considering you are quick to attack opposing scholars?
I am sure you wrote some interesting stuff. I want to be very brief, though.
I don't advocate having any country as "Masta". Pakistan does not have a Masta. Cuba does not have a Masta. Venezuela does not have a Masta.
There is a big difference between having a "Masta" and having a buddy. If you have a buddy, yes, you support your buddy, you want him to win when he gets in a fight- but that's not the same as a "Masta".
No person who is honest and objective and studies Pakistan, Cuba and Venezuela will reach the conclusion that they are puppets. They are independent countries. Colonies and allies are too different things.
In Pakistan, they can be as Islamic as they want and China doesn't care. With Saudi, the West tries to force them into becoming less Islamic. I don't agree with what China does inside its borders but what you do in your own house is one thing and what you do in the larger world is another thing. It's bad if you do wrong things in your own house. If you kick the door in to someone else's house and you abuse the people in that house- that is way worse.
The Pakistanis aren't having Chinese culture forced on them. Meanwhile the US tries to force its culture on its "allies".
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