UK ambassador subtly recognises Somaliland.

[Muzaffer]

Why do Somalians cry when somebody acknowledges/hints SL for what it really is ie a separate country. I remember the former UK Defence Secretary visiting Hargeisa and he tweeted "our two countries". Small talk like this makes our neighbour go all gaga

I fear mass Somalian suicides when SL at long last gets recognition

or maybe invasion.

 

[Hue_Man]

Lol

 

[Yukon_Niner]

Only Failmajo has the pimps here not the only democratically elected national leader in the Horn (Bihi). Independence or war

Saxiib I live in the UK, the only party that supports SL is UKIP. Every year someone is begging for recognition and the UK government gives a little then turns the other way, its more like a single mother begging for her husband to help her.

I feel like cracking a few jokes here but you've really got to appreciate how pitiful every single state in that region is. Every damn leaders a dhiil0.

 

[Hue_Man]

Saxiib I live in the UK, the only party that supports SL is UKIP. Every year someone is begging for recognition and the UK government gives a little then turns the other way, its more like a single mother begging for her husband to help her.

I feel like cracking a few jokes here but you've really got to appreciate how pitiful every single state in that region is. Every damn leaders a dhiil0.

you northern Somalis need to come back down to reality and join your sub Saharan brothers.
Just because you are geographically closer to the impoverished southern Arabian continent doesn’t mean you can claim independence hhhhhh

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Far from true for a few reasons. One being that Somalia had the excuse of non governance and civil war from 1991-TNG. Then IC bought into this excuse and annually poured billions to create TNG, TFG, SFG and FMS and 14 years later they see that no progress is made. The UNSC had a meeting last year discussing that this never ending funding has become a zero sum game and they are looking at alternate unconventional routes in the region. 1999-2007 the world was less globalized and less connected. In a more globalized and connected world and ever growing importance of Africa and trade routes vis a vis the Gulf of Aden/Suez Canal, untapped resources, growing middle class in china/india leading to outsourcing to Africa, the game is changing very quickly. Right now is the most pivotal time in the region. IGAD is falling apart, The westerners biggest ally in the region(Ethiopia) will be in a never ending civil war, Somalia is...well Somalia, and it's at loggerheads with Kenya. Djbouti has become a sublet of Chinese dominance. Eritrea has dragged itself in the war as well, same with Sudan. Egypt is playing a role behind the scenes since it has the most to lose from a stable ethiopia GERD/Nile dispute. Point being, the standard of yesterday is not a constant. Somaliland is looking better and better as days past and we see that by the huge statements made by political elites in the western world and gravitation of politicians from Middle east and Africa.

Somaliland will not get recognition because every year that goes by, the share of Isaaq in the borders of former British Somaliland declines. Recognition happens in 2 ways in diverse countries and in homogenous countries.

In diverse countries, like South Sudan or Eritrea, recognition happens when the various ethnic groups are unanimous on separation from the original country. The Dinka and Nuer don’t agree on anything but they were unanimous on independence. The Tigray and Muslims agreed on separating from Ethiopia. This is why the referendums in South Sudan and Eritrea gained the support of over 97% of each country.

In relatively homogenous breakaway states, like Kosovo, where a single ethnic group has an overwhelming majority there is no need for consensus among the various ethnic groups. Ethnic Serbs in Kosovo oppose secession from Belgrade, but they don't matter because 93% of Kosovo is Albanian and support for secession among them is 100%.

Former British Somaliland is more like South Sudan or Eritrea rather than Kosovo. The Dinka are about 36% of South Sudan and the Tigray are about 50% of the population of Eritrea. The Isaaq, making up something between 55-60% of former British Somaliland's present day population, are more like the Dinka or Tigray rather than the Kosovo Albanians at 93%. This means that the support for secession in the territory of former British Somaliland needs to reach the level of consensus reached by Eritrea and South Sudan. Unanimous support for secession among the Isaaq simply will not cut it. There are not enough Isaaq to actually impose a functioning state if 40-45% of the population does not support it.

Keep in mind that Eritrea and South Sudan, states that had 99% and 98% support for secession, are now failed states. The International community will not recognize a state where support for secession is probably under 70% and where the largest ethnic group, the Isaaq, will drop from being a majority to a plurality over the next 10 years. No one has an appetite for another failed state in East Africa.


If the Isaaq were serious about secession, they should have based their claim on genocide and on the right to self-determination as a consequence of genocide. The mistake they made was that they claimed their right to secession was ultimately based on a civic identity of belonging to British Somaliland and on popular support. This sort of made sense 30 years ago when the Isaaq were 70% of the population and acting like Kosovo Albanians was possible. Has Somaliland built unanimity on secession over the past 30 years? It has not, and that failure is why it will never gain recognition.

 

[0117]

Well well...

 

[mr steal your naag]

Somaliland will not get recognition because every year that goes by, the share of Isaaq in the borders of former British Somaliland declines. Recognition happens in 2 ways in diverse countries and in homogenous countries.

In diverse countries, like South Sudan or Eritrea, recognition happens when the various ethnic groups are unanimous on separation from the original country. The Dinka and Nuer don’t agree on anything but they were unanimous on independence. The Tigray and Muslims agreed on separating from Ethiopia. This is why the referendums in South Sudan and Eritrea gained the support of over 97% of each country.

In relatively homogenous breakaway states, like Kosovo, where a single ethnic group has an overwhelming majority there is no need for consensus among the various ethnic groups. Ethnic Serbs in Kosovo oppose secession from Belgrade, but they don't matter because 93% of Kosovo is Albanian and support for secession among them is 100%.

Former British Somaliland is more like South Sudan or Eritrea rather than Kosovo. The Dinka are about 36% of South Sudan and the Tigray are about 50% of the population of Eritrea. The Isaaq, making up something between 55-60% of former British Somaliland's present day population, are more like the Dinka or Tigray rather than the Kosovo Albanians at 93%. This means that the support for secession in the territory of former British Somaliland needs to reach the level of consensus reached by Eritrea and South Sudan. Unanimous support for secession among the Isaaq simply will not cut it. There are not enough Isaaq to actually impose a functioning state if 40-45% of the population does not support it.

Keep in mind that Eritrea and South Sudan, states that had 99% and 98% support for secession, are now failed states. The International community will not recognize a state where support for secession is probably under 70% and where the largest ethnic group, the Isaaq, will drop from being a majority to a plurality over the next 10 years. No one has an appetite for another failed state in East Africa.


If the Isaaq were serious about secession, they should have based their claim on genocide and on the right to self-determination as a consequence of genocide. The mistake they made was that they claimed their right to secession was ultimately based on a civic identity of belonging to British Somaliland and on popular support. This sort of made sense 30 years ago when the Isaaq were 70% of the population and acting like Kosovo Albanians was possible. Has Somaliland built unanimity on secession over the past 30 years? It has not, and that failure is why it will never gain recognition.

Nigga isaaq will always be the majority in SL. I dont know were you got this BS from

 

[0117]

Somaliland will not get recognition because every year that goes by, the share of Isaaq in the borders of former British Somaliland declines. Recognition happens in 2 ways in diverse countries and in homogenous countries.

In diverse countries, like South Sudan or Eritrea, recognition happens when the various ethnic groups are unanimous on separation from the original country. The Dinka and Nuer don’t agree on anything but they were unanimous on independence. The Tigray and Muslims agreed on separating from Ethiopia. This is why the referendums in South Sudan and Eritrea gained the support of over 97% of each country.

In relatively homogenous breakaway states, like Kosovo, where a single ethnic group has an overwhelming majority there is no need for consensus among the various ethnic groups. Ethnic Serbs in Kosovo oppose secession from Belgrade, but they don't matter because 93% of Kosovo is Albanian and support for secession among them is 100%.

Former British Somaliland is more like South Sudan or Eritrea rather than Kosovo. The Dinka are about 36% of South Sudan and the Tigray are about 50% of the population of Eritrea. The Isaaq, making up something between 55-60% of former British Somaliland's present day population, are more like the Dinka or Tigray rather than the Kosovo Albanians at 93%. This means that the support for secession in the territory of former British Somaliland needs to reach the level of consensus reached by Eritrea and South Sudan. Unanimous support for secession among the Isaaq simply will not cut it. There are not enough Isaaq to actually impose a functioning state if 40-45% of the population does not support it.

Keep in mind that Eritrea and South Sudan, states that had 99% and 98% support for secession, are now failed states. The International community will not recognize a state where support for secession is probably under 70% and where the largest ethnic group, the Isaaq, will drop from being a majority to a plurality over the next 10 years. No one has an appetite for another failed state in East Africa.


If the Isaaq were serious about secession, they should have based their claim on genocide and on the right to self-determination as a consequence of genocide. The mistake they made was that they claimed their right to secession was ultimately based on a civic identity of belonging to British Somaliland and on popular support. This sort of made sense 30 years ago when the Isaaq were 70% of the population and acting like Kosovo Albanians was possible. Has Somaliland built unanimity on secession over the past 30 years? It has not, and that failure is why it will never gain recognition.

Somaliland isn't an Isaaq project.Look forward to the diverse candidates representing many clans within each party that will make up the parliamentary and council seats when people vote this May inshaaAllah.

Every decade the territory that Somaliland mandates and governance is increasing.2030 should be the goal to have voting polls in the remaining districts which will complete the border.

 

[DalsanJubiland]

You jealous I support SL?even dhulbahante are doing better under them than when you lot ruled Laascanod. It was your leader Deni and Madoobe Farmaajo lugaha ku dhagan, you are the cancer that killed Somalia. How ironic.

Let it die and everyone go there seperate ways. Somalinimo is a myth.

I know you are angry now
You want us to support your failed policy,
No we will not because we care Somalia.
You destroy Somalia one time MSB
You tried to destroy Somalia second time
People Mogadishu and Jubaland and puntland stop you.
Somalia is more important then Darood,
We will always put first Somali then Darood.
For the Harti is none of your business
Internal affairs of Harti
Langaab Tahow
When your policy fails you start Darood
Same as when MSB did same in 1991
This time we said no.
Who cares about Darood
Somalia is first

 

[DalsanJubiland]

Well well...

Show Hargeysa trash everywhere
Sewage run to the street in Hargeysa
Even those who came back from outside of Somali land said this is trouble listen in Waraabe , Faisal a waraabe.
He was saying will have civil war soon
Garbage
You are totally better off United Somalia.

 

[Som]

I don't agree with you unsurprisingly but if hypothetically you are correct do you think Somalia would or would not face international pressure to accept the will of the SL people

Somalia would recognize you straight away if only your leaders had the will to come and talk with us.
Do you think sheikohs sharif or hassan sheikh cared about midnimo? Of course not. Farmaajo is the least likely to recognize you but any other somali president would have no problem.
The only issue is that you guys don't even want to sit down and talk with Somalia to negotiate the divorce between the two countries

 

[0117]

Show Hargeysa trash everywhere
Sewage run to the street in Hargeysa
Even those who came back from outside of Somali land said this is trouble listen in Waraabe , Faisal a waraabe.
He was saying will have civil war soon
Garbage
You are totally better off United Somalia.

Yes the conditions are true and it's all for the world to see.I don't think a paper/failed state called Somalia can save us from this unfortunately.

If you disagree with my remark please tell me how the current gov in Somalia can help the situation in Hargeisa?

Have you ever heard of election season talks? This is common in democracies that you may not be familiar with but Faisal is just stirring the pot for attention and voters.

 

[Wir]

Somaliland will not get recognition because every year that goes by, the share of Isaaq in the borders of former British Somaliland declines. Recognition happens in 2 ways in diverse countries and in homogenous countries.

In diverse countries, like South Sudan or Eritrea, recognition happens when the various ethnic groups are unanimous on separation from the original country. The Dinka and Nuer don’t agree on anything but they were unanimous on independence. The Tigray and Muslims agreed on separating from Ethiopia. This is why the referendums in South Sudan and Eritrea gained the support of over 97% of each country.

In relatively homogenous breakaway states, like Kosovo, where a single ethnic group has an overwhelming majority there is no need for consensus among the various ethnic groups. Ethnic Serbs in Kosovo oppose secession from Belgrade, but they don't matter because 93% of Kosovo is Albanian and support for secession among them is 100%.

Former British Somaliland is more like South Sudan or Eritrea rather than Kosovo. The Dinka are about 36% of South Sudan and the Tigray are about 50% of the population of Eritrea. The Isaaq, making up something between 55-60% of former British Somaliland's present day population, are more like the Dinka or Tigray rather than the Kosovo Albanians at 93%. This means that the support for secession in the territory of former British Somaliland needs to reach the level of consensus reached by Eritrea and South Sudan. Unanimous support for secession among the Isaaq simply will not cut it. There are not enough Isaaq to actually impose a functioning state if 40-45% of the population does not support it.

Keep in mind that Eritrea and South Sudan, states that had 99% and 98% support for secession, are now failed states. The International community will not recognize a state where support for secession is probably under 70% and where the largest ethnic group, the Isaaq, will drop from being a majority to a plurality over the next 10 years. No one has an appetite for another failed state in East Africa.


If the Isaaq were serious about secession, they should have based their claim on genocide and on the right to self-determination as a consequence of genocide. The mistake they made was that they claimed their right to secession was ultimately based on a civic identity of belonging to British Somaliland and on popular support. This sort of made sense 30 years ago when the Isaaq were 70% of the population and acting like Kosovo Albanians was possible. Has Somaliland built unanimity on secession over the past 30 years? It has not, and that failure is why it will never gain recognition.

I stopped reading when you said Isaaq make up 55% of Somaliland. You're arguably the most articulate shit poster I've ever come across on somali forums

 

[Wir]

Nigga isaaq will always be the majority in SL. I dont know were you got this BS from

I can't entertain this guy. @TabK tore him apart so much they had to ban him from the forum

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

I stopped reading when you said Isaaq make up 55% of Somaliland. You're arguably the most articulate shit poster I've ever come across on somali forums

I will write up a fairly detailed post on this point some time this week. I might even do a discord allowing people to ask questions if I have enough free time.

 

[Wir]

I will write up a fairly detailed post on this point some time this week. I might even do a discord allowing people to ask questions if I have enough free time.

Go nuts mate. Theres more people in gabiley district than there are darood in Somaliland

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Go nuts mate. Theres more people in gabiley district than there are darood in Somaliland

Makes sense look how densely populated it is compared to sool and eastern sanaag

 

[0117]

Go nuts mate. Theres more people in gabiley district than there are darood in Somaliland

There are not more people in Gabiley than Darood in SL.The electorate registration list shared above proves the point

 

[somebody]

I think that one of the reasons of why Somaliland is still not recognized is that there are no cut clear border between them and Somalia, which has changed numerous times over the years through conflicts. Somaliland still does not have all of their claimed territories under control and if they were to be recognized today, conflicts over the border such as between Puntland and Somaliland are likely to rise. Thus the International Community may rather leave the case for now than have such complexities arising. Another reason is that other African countries are worried that it will inspire other groups to seek independence in their own countries without the approval of the government so they are against recognizing Somaliland. In conclusion, gaining recognition without the approval of Somalia will be difficult.

 

[Wir]

There are not more people in Gabiley than Darood in SL.The electorate registration list shared above proves the point

Electorate is specific to voting and western nations produce not even 15%of their total population at the ballots let alone SL. But city sizes and settlement count gives a good understanding of overall demographics urban and rural