UFC fighter Islam Makhachev sends greetings to the Somali community while training our future champion & 🐐 Muhidin Abubakr 🇸🇴

[Zak12]

Guys, Muhidin Abubakr is an ethnic Somali. Sure, from a genetic standpoint he isn't a "pure" Somali but he's a Somali nonetheless because he speaks the language and has Somali blood in him. When it comes to mixed communities like ours, this is nothing new. Moroccans and Kazakhs for example come in various appearances but no one is going to say that black looking Moroccans or Caucasian looking Kazakhs aren't true members of their respective ethnicities.

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Is that guy an ethnic somali?

Being ethnically somali is irrelevant, he's a noble Hatimi Banadiri

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Guys, Muhidin Abubakr is an ethnic Somali. Sure, from a genetic standpoint he isn't a "pure" Somali but he's a Somali nonetheless because he speaks the language and has Somali blood in him. When it comes to mixed communities like ours, this is nothing new. Moroccans and Kazakhs for example come in various appearances but no one is going to say that black looking Moroccans or Caucasian looking Kazakhs aren't true members of their respective ethnicities.

He speaks Chimini, barawa is in Somalia so that makes him somali

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Yes Banadiri are ethnic Somalis

"Ethnic somali" doesn't exist, banadiris are banadiri

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

But they are Arabs like other Somalis. Mushungli/Reer Gosha come from sheik musa shungaliya, he was quraish

Mushunguli is a confederacy it's not a lineage tribe

 

[Macawisley]

"Ethnic somali" doesn't exist, banadiris are banadiri

Banadiri is a Qaabil and has MPs in Somali Parliament

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Relax with the genetic/history bullshit, this man is from a people who have assimilated into somalis. A tale old as time. Hes done good for himself and InshAllah he succees in his life & career.

This was supposed to be a happy thread

No such thing as "assimilated into Somalis" , stop with the slander , he's a noble Hatimi Banadiri

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Banadiri is a Qaabil and has MPs in Somali Parliament

No , there are dozens of banadiri qabiils, qabiil is like Hatimi (Muhyiddins tribe), Reer Faqi, Shaanshi, Ashraaf Nadhiiri, Sheekhaal Gandarshe, Camuudi etc, MPs are based on qabiils

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

I loath when we have the "he's not somali" bullshit. Don't you want more Somalis out there? Or is it that people just want Somalis that look like them only? Personally if someone isn't ethnically Somali but is of Somali nationality that's good enough for me. They grew up eating what I ate, speaking my tongue and engaging exclusively in my culture. They are my people.

Somalia is diverse culturally and linguistically, Banadiris themselves are diverse culturally, he speaks Chimini not Maxatiri language, your cultural food is cad iyo caano, Him being from somewhere in Somalia is enough to make him Somali

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Nope. The Barwanis are mainly a mixture of Bantus, Indians, Somalis & Iranians.

Whereas, the Bantus are straight up Black Africans.

You can't even name one Barawa tribe , mixture depends on family

 

[Zak12]

"Ethnic somali" doesn't exist, banadiris are banadiri

Uh, yeah it does lmao

 

[Khaemwaset]

Guys, Muhidin Abubakr is an ethnic Somali. Sure, from a genetic standpoint he isn't a "pure" Somali but he's a Somali nonetheless because he speaks the language and has Somali blood in him. When it comes to mixed communities like ours, this is nothing new. Moroccans and Kazakhs for example come in various appearances but no one is going to say that black looking Moroccans or Caucasian looking Kazakhs aren't true members of their respective ethnicities.

???
Somalis aren't a mixed community. Morrocans are a mix of all sorts in the area including madow and cadaan blood.
Kazakhs are a mixture of Whites and Asians.

Somalis are a homogeneous Cushtiic ethnicity. This person isn't ethnic, he's benadiri. Why push stupid ideas?

 

[Yabal]

Mashallah

 

[GaradShabeel]

Guys, Muhidin Abubakr is an ethnic Somali. Sure, from a genetic standpoint he isn't a "pure" Somali but he's a Somali nonetheless because he speaks the language and has Somali blood in him. When it comes to mixed communities like ours, this is nothing new. Moroccans and Kazakhs for example come in various appearances but no one is going to say that black looking Moroccans or Caucasian looking Kazakhs aren't true members of their respective ethnicities.

You're confusing different things.

First of all, our 'community' is not mixed. We might have some diversity amongst us, but the overwhelming majority of the population are ethnically Somali.

Second of all, you've brought forward bad examples. Somali can be both an ethnicity and nationality, which is not the case for Morocco or Kazakhstan. Moroccan is only a nationality and their main ethnic groups are Berber people and Arabs with minority Jews and Black people. Likewise, Kazakhstani is the nationality while the main ethnic group is Kazakhs and minority Russians, and other Turkic people (Uzbeks, Uyghurs, Tatars) and other Europeans (Ukrainians, Germans).

Speaking of 'physical appearance', it's true that the Berbers look different depending on regions, but Berber itself is an umbrella term for different ethnic groups like Tuareg Berbers and Tarifit Berbers. As far as Kazakhs, most of them have a certain 'Turkic' phenotype. And white people identify with their ethnic group, such as Russian-Kazakhstanis.

Why is it controversial to assign people with their respective ethnic group?

 

[Khaemwaset]

You're confusing different things.

First of all, our 'community' is not mixed. We might have some diversity amongst us, but the overwhelming majority of the population are ethnically Somali.

Second of all, you've brought forward bad examples. Somali can be both an ethnicity and nationality, which is not the case for Morocco or Kazakhstan. Moroccan is only a nationality and their main ethnic groups are Berber people and Arabs with minority Jews and Black people. Likewise, Kazakhstani is the nationality while the main ethnic group is Kazakhs and minority Russians, and other Turkic people (Uzbeks, Uyghurs, Tatars) and other Europeans (Ukrainians, Germans).

Speaking of 'physical appearance', it's true that the Berbers look different depending on regions, but Berber itself is an umbrella term for different ethnic groups like Tuareg Berbers and Tarifit Berbers. As far as Kazakhs, most of them have a certain 'Turkic' phenotype. And white people identify with their ethnic group, such as Russian-Kazakhstanis.

Why is it controversial to assign people with their respective ethnic group?

These people are trying to degrade the Somali ethnicity. Yes we accept that there are other people part of the Somali nation. But the Somali ethnicity is a Cushitic tribe made of 5 clan families. Dir, Darood, isaaq, Hawiye, RX. There's no need to speak further.

 

[Zak12]

Somalis aren't a mixed community

We are mixed, sxb. Ethnic Moroccans and Kazakhs like us are descended from multiple populations. Yes, we are genetically homogenous but that doesn't mean we aren't mixed. And why aren't Benadiris ethnic Somalis? They have been around for thousands of years and contributed to Somali culture and civilization. So what if they aren't genetically pure Somali?

which is not the case for Morocco or Kazakhstan.

For Kazakhstan, its absolutely the case. Kazakhs like Somalis are the main dominant ethnic group with everyone else being minorities under Kazakh nationality.

but Berber itself is an umbrella term

I'm talking specifically about Moroccans. Berbers are obviously very diverse when taken as a whole.

most of them have a certain 'Turkic' phenotype.

Indeed but plenty also look Iranian.

Why is it controversial to assign people with their respective ethnic group?

Because you are trying to arbitrarily seperate Benadiris from us when there is no justification for it. They aren't like Somali Bantus, they have strong cultural ties with us that goes back thousands of years. Sure, they aren't 1:1 with pure Somalis but only racialists would care about that. As far anyone is concerned, they are ethnic Somali and they don't identify as anything else.

 

[Yami]

Somalia is diverse culturally and linguistically, Banadiris themselves are diverse culturally, he speaks Chimini not Maxatiri language, your cultural food is cad iyo caano, Him being from somewhere in Somalia is enough to make him Somali

What’s with the passive aggressive attitude @Bazed was defending your people

 

[Yami]

No way you monkeys spent 8 pages arguing about his ethnicity I hope you realize he’ll probably find this knowing the reach somalispot has on google

 

[GaradShabeel]

For Kazakhstan, its absolutely the case. Kazakhs like Somalis are the main dominant ethnic group with everyone else being minorities under Kazakh nationality.

I'll mention again what I meant, Somali can refer to either a nationality or ethnicity. That's not the case for Kazakh, because Kazakh only indicates the ethnicity while the nationality is Kazakhstani, i.e. two different labels. Hence, why the Somali identity has a broader definition compared to Kazakhs.

I'm talking specifically about Moroccans. Berbers are obviously very diverse when taken as a whole.

I was only talking about Morocco too. In your response to @Khaemwaset, you used 'ethnic Moroccan'. That's incorrect because Moroccan isn't an ethnic group, but merely a nationality. Nothing more. You have to specify either Arabs or Berbers. Not to forget, Berber people are also diverse within Morocco itself and not just as a 'whole' in north Africa.

I know that the map below shows the languages of Morocco, but Berber is a confederation of distinct ethnic groups, which the map gives a hint off. Some of them are more similar with each other, while others have more differences. Look up the definition of Moroccan and Berber for your own sake.

Indeed but plenty also look Iranian.

Every ethnic group have some degree of diverse physical appearances. It could be that those 'Iranian looking' ones have had a higher admixture of non-Kazakhs blood or due to environmental factors as they live on a vast land with different conditions, I'm not sure tho.

Because you are trying to arbitrarily seperate Benadiris from us when there is no justification for it. They aren't like Somali Bantus, they have strong cultural ties with us that goes back thousands of years. Sure, they aren't 1:1 with pure Somalis but only racialists would care about that. As far anyone is concerned, they are ethnic Somali and they don't identify as anything else.

Hold up, what do mean I'm trying to 'arbitrarily seperate Banaadiris from us'? Did I mention Banaadiri a single time in my post? As I said before, Banaadiris are Somalis and I don't distinguish them from other ethnic Somalis.

My post was only responding to how you were mixing up between ethnicity and nationality in the examples you made of Morocco and Kazakhstan. Go back to my post. I even bolded for you the part I was responding to and left out where you were talking about Muhudin.

Also, how come Banaadiris are ethnic Somalis to you, while implying that Bantus aren't? There are some Bantus/Jreers who have lived in Somalia for centuries too, some of them have mixed more with ethnic Somalis than Banaadiris. If anything, you don't make sense at all. Why do you choose who you want to include and leave out others based on your own definition of the Somali ethnicity, lol?

 

[Calaami]

Hayaay, Native Benaadiris are non-Somali when it’s time to violently relieve them of their property and daughters but are Somali when they get some shine on the global stage. Good to know.