It doesn't, it's something made up online recently, Muhyiddin is a noble Hatimi Barawani Banadiri don't slander him
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I was correcting his misinformationWhat’s with the passive aggressive attitude @Bazed was defending your people
he looks extremely arab
Because he's from an Arab tribe
Yeah that's what I mean bro.
I'm catching strays. Reading comprehension is at a all time low in our day and age.What’s with the passive aggressive attitude @Bazed was defending your people
I have no problem that he's repping somalia qashin spammers
There is literally no difference between that and Somali nationality unless you think the minorities who live in Somalia aren't allowed to call themselves citizens of Somalia.
Not to the same extent as mixed populations like Kazakhs who can take the appearance of two different races.
As slaves, yes. They simply aren't Somali because they didn't contribute meaningfully to Somalia, they have no real history involving us. Benadiris are the opposite.
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Yall lame asf keep that qabil stuff back home yall are too small in numbers to be focused on that in the west, He represents Somalia because his ancestors have lived on that land for generations. What other flag could he possibly claim? There is none other than the one of the land his mixed heritage settled in and called home.
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With all due respect, please read my posts before responding. For the third time, my point was that in some countries, there's only one label to define both ethnicity and nationality such as Somalia, while there're two distinct identities in others such as Kazakhstan.
I didn't imply anything about what minorities should and should not call themselves. As I said above, 'the Somali identity has a broader definition compared to Kazakhs', i.e. of course, minorities, or anyone in Somalia, will call themselves Somalis, which also means being citizens of the Somali nation.
Here you go again. Educate yourself before speaking on what you don't know.
Madowweyne are as much Somali as Banaadiris are. In fact, if we're going to be correct here, quite a few of Banaadiris don't view themselves as ethnic Somalis, but rather a distinct group living in Somalia, such the Banaadiri poster in this thread. In any case, you had the audacity to even call other out for being exclusionist and 'racialist', you're one funny lad
Fact is, some Jreer clans already lived in present day Somalia prior to slavery. Many of the Bantus brought here through slavery have also been incorporated into mainstream clans and Somali society.
Also what do you mean, they didn't contribute meaningfully to Somalia? First of all, Somalia didn't even exist prior to 1960. Secondly, ethnicity is not determined by how much you contribute to a country. It's embarrassing for me to even have to say this as it reveals how little you know about the definition of ethnicity or the history of the people of Somalia. I don't think it's worth continuing.
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I mean they contributed...With all due respect, please read my posts before responding. For the third time, my point was that in some countries, there's only one label to define both ethnicity and nationality such as Somalia, while there're two distinct in others such as Kazakhstan.
I didn't say anything about what minorities should and should not call themselves. As I said above, 'the Somali identity has a broader definition compared to Kazakhs', i.e. of course, minorities, or anyone in Somalia, will call themselves Somalis, which also means being a citizens of the Somali nation.
Here you go again. Educate yourself before speaking on what you don't know.
Madowweyne are as much Somali as Banaadiris are. In fact, if we're going to be correct here, quite a few of Banaadiris don't view themselves as ethnic Somalis, but rather a distinct group living in Somalia, such the Banaadiri poster in this thread. In any case, you had the audacity to even call other out for being exclusionist and 'racialist', you're one funny lad
Fact is, some Jreer clans already lived in present day Somalia prior to slavery. Many of the Bantus brought here through slavery have also been incorporated into mainstream clans and Somali society.
Also what do you mean, they didn't contribute meaningfully to Somalia? First of all, Somalia didn't even exist prior to 1960. Secondly, ethnicity is not determined by how much you contribute to a country. It's embarrassing for me to even have to say this as it reveals how little you know about the definition of ethnicity or the history of the people of Somalia. I don't think it's worth continuing.
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It's getting tiresome by engaging in these types of threads. So many ignorant people who lack understanding of basic terms and even reading comprehension. This dude had the audacity to say that Banaadiris are ethnic Somalis while Jreers aren't, just to reaffirm his own made-up definition of who ethnic Somalis are. And then you got a hotep who's trying to argue against your entire existence of an ethnic group and making us appear to be inferior to his kind. SSpot have an interesting collection of people
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What are you basing this off of? Why does Kazakhstan have two seperate identities but Somalia doesn't?
Those are far and few between. Its like Sardinians considering themselves completely seperate from Italians, its a minority opinion.
Only few select clans have done this like abgaal. Bantus are by no means incorporated into the clan system and are pretty much still seen as foreigners.
I mean Somali civilizations. Somalia obviously didn't exist before 1960 but the various city states, sultanates, and tribes did and Bantus weren't apart of those at all.
Walaal, this is the kind of thinking white liberals have on ethnicity. A group shouldn't be apart of the majority just because they live there, it just cheapens and devalues the meaning of ethnicity if anyone can join. For example, Somalis in the UK, Sweden, Denmark ect aren't true Europeans just because they are citizens. We aren't like the Oromo who will accept anyone in their ranks. Somali identity should mean something and isn't some label that can be thrown at anyone.
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I meant demonym to be specific. Let me break it down for you.
In Somalia, Ethnicity: Somali (majority), Nationality: Somali. Same demonym for both.
In Kazakhstan, Ethnicity: Kazakh (majority), Nationality: Kazakhstani. Two different demonyms.
It was just an example to point out that the same phenomenon can be seen amongst other minorities in Somalia.
Are you not aware that Bantus have been incorporated into the 'clan system'? I don't think Abgaals have done it, but other clans like Moobleen, Biimaal, and many different Mirifle and Digil clans have incorporated Bantus. Generally speaking, most clans who held slaves 'adopted' them when slavery was abolished. The remaining few are standalone clans, part of the wider Modowweyne. This also included Jreer clans who were not involved with slavery (to my knowledge) and lived in Somalia prior to the recent slavery period of post-1800s.
Again, ethnicity is not determined by civilizations. Instead, it has basis on some form of common genetic ancestry along other factors. That's why you can't measure by saying that because a certain clan/group had states, sultanates or whatever, therefore they are ethnic Somalis. Those who didn't, are not ethnic Somalis. It's a logical fallacy and unfortunately doesn't work that way.
That's what I am arguing for as well, that Somali ethnicity exist and can only be passed through patrilineal. But I'm calling you out regarding how you resonate by excluding Jreers, while including Banaadiris as ethnic Somalis. You can't pick as it suit you. It simply doesn't make sense to me at all.
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So semantics? Functionally speaking, Kazakhstani and Somali nationality mean the same thing.
They haven't. They have their own clans but for the most part, they aren't apart of the big five clans. I mean, how many Somali Bantu PMs exist? Do they have any sort of political power?
Then they don't fit that definition either. Somali Bantus have very little Somali DNA and as mentioned above hardly marry Somalis either. Their lineage can be traced back to Tanzania.
At the very least, Benadiris have a much stronger claim to being Somali than Bantus do.
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More or less, yes. But you were mixing up demonyms for different countries, hence my clarifications.
Huh? I just have you examples of clans (from the big five) that have incorporated Bantus. Are you now denying facts? It’s not hard to fact-check this. If don’t know much about Somali clans, then at least be honest rather than willingly be ignorant.
You’re mixing up again. Madowweyne included both Bantus and non-Bantus. What you’re referring to are standalone Bantus clans that for the most part have remained ‘pure’ by not mixing with Somalis, such as Gosha Bantus.
The rest of Bantus have been integrated into mainstream clans. On top of this, there are jreer clans who were not enslaved, such as Shiidle. You can also see it from their appearances, that many of them have a distinct look.
Regardless of who has more ‘Somali blood’, both of those people are part of the Somali nation and thus Somalis in one way or another. With that said, the majority of Somalia's population are indeed ethnic Somalis. You don’t need to overthink or make it complicated for yourself.
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I never denied that there were some Somali Bantus among the clans or that some have incorporated them (I previously listed the Abgaal for a reason) but its fact that most Bantus aren't apart of the main clans.
Who are the majority of the Somali Bantu. The Bantu clans that assimilated among Somalis are obviously few are far between because our DNA is still pure. Again, we aren't like the Oromo who have assimilated numerous non-Oromo people which is reflected on their DNA.
I don't mind them as citizens but at the end of the day, Bantus aren't ethnic Somalis. They are by far the most alien part of Somalia, even more so than the Arabs.
The former slaves are minority amongst jàreers in general
Which clan does MJ's fits into?
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