The stain of tribalism

[Angelina]

She is hawiye, notice how she calls other tribes clannists but her own who are holding Somalia back BECAUSE of qabyaalad.

Wow, you can’t hide your poisonous qabyalad can you? Let me guess everything is because of Hawiye and your clan is absolutely innocent and deserve to rule. Literally what I was talking about earlier.

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If you actually read my original post, it’s very clear I’m talking about Somalia and every other region. But since you’re a qabilist you think I won’t talk about Hawiyes. I defended them a couple of times when I actually bothered to venture to this God forsaken section since most on here are MJs and call Hawiyes Hutu and were making disgusting colorist remarks and blame them for everything. How is that acceptable? No accountability whatsoever. I hardly venture to the Somali politics side and everyone on here knows I hardly do and that I’m mostly in the general section. I also defend Isaaqs since many on her are MJs and like to shit talk Isaaqs and hate the idea of Somaliland whilst wanting Puntland to be independent LOL! Hypocrisy! So 85% of posters are MJs and it’s okay for them to make Idoor jokes and Hawiye Hutu madow jokes and I’m a tribalist for saying why are you insulting groups?!

From your actual comment, I know your Darood and suffer the exact same bias you’re accusing me of but worse. I’ve never ever insulted any qabil in my life and I’ve never said they’re the reason for XYZ because as far as I’m concerned they’re all bad as each other with Jahils like you leading the way.

Good day you little qabilist! You’ve exposed yourself.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Angelina tribe is real U just don't understand it since U don't know the desert culture as you been urbanised and believe in fuedal class or occupational social orders of the west and east.

Every man and female that claims a clan can be verified into family units at the reer level, bah level, jifi level, clan level. It's bloody real it's just your so urbanised you only know urban culture of tribe which again has its own urban character.

Their not fighting for myths I assure U of that and their not interested in peasant fuedal occupational identities and it's republic nationhood.

The bible and Torah itself all the ppl in it where tribal as f*ck. Human social order is fuedal or tribal and it won't change so it's best to accommodate it then fight it.

Please stop copying westerner fuedal culture, they don't know their identity beyond grandfather and tied to fuedal occupation for Israelite religions who created their occupational social order and why the first thing they ask U is whats your job like a fkn serf slave lol like the first thing we ask u is ur identity first, cause we assume if U don't have an identity your not really human and no different to animals who don't know their identity or abtirsi.

 

[Aseer]

After recent thinking i can put my thoughts of qabiil into one sentence, it's a double edged sword and sadly our current governments mishandle it but if we adopt proper federalism, get 1m1v and enforce regionalism and basically make all qabiils incentives to develop their own region whilst staying loyal to the flag we would prosper as it slowly fades out and becomes a thing used for identification but sadly we just have incompetent leaders who mismanage this blessing and curse.

 

[Aurelian]

I will never trust this Rhetoric. Kinsmen is all you can trust in that cursed desert 7. People that preach this give me this vibe:View attachment 317879

I am the least tribalist guy in the forum, and I can say that, without laws and institutions protecting the citizens, the kinsmen are the only ones you can trust to protect you from injustices.

 

[Angelina]

I am the least tribalist guy in the forum, and I can say that, without laws and institutions protecting the citizens, the kinsmen are the only ones you can trust to protect you from injustices.

it’s a never ending loop since we’ll stay in poverty with that mindset and injustices will continue. We can’t have someone who can bring that into place without creating a system in which tribal interests aren’t put at the forefront. People aren’t voting based on who can do the job or who can bring good initiatives, it’s based on is he my qabil? And if he isn’t the rest will shit on him and blame any incompetence due to this tribe.

 

[Land Of The Brave]

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Wallahi Billahi you are a conniving munafaqad.

Now youre puting words into my mouth. Never said everything would be rainbow and sunshine if a Darood was president and the evidence is the mentally ill farmajo who caused hell especially on my own tribe where many Ogaden died.

You are not slick with your qabyaalad, and you know exactly why I say hawiye is holding Somalia back. If hawiye was genuine about the stability and uniting of Somalia they would agree to move the Capital to a more neutral city but, they wont because they want it to be in a hawiye city where they get to dictate and be majority of the govt. Notice the PM of the country is hardly allowed to do his job.

Nothing hawiye hasnt done is ever blamed on them, and if you did your search without bias you know everything people say about them is true.

mj do not hate the idea of Somaliland, personally, I couldnt careless about sl in its entirety but what harti want is to be part of the South and not succeed with isaaq which they have a right to and hawiye out of qabyaalad and irirism wont recognize ssc as a state.

 

[Angelina]

Wallahi Billahi you are a conniving munafaqad.

Yes and you're a conniving fool who thinks people can't see through you.

Now youre puting words into my mouth. Never said everything would be rainbow and sunshine if a Darood was president and the evidence is the mentally ill farmajo who caused hell especially on my own tribe where many Ogaden died.

Aww but didn’t you just Imply that ONLY Hawiye are the reason for Somalia being backward? Why say that if you’re not a Qabilist Naya? ONLY Hawiye is holding Somalia back right? The logical conclusion is that if your tribe were in power we'd prosper right? if you're fully aware that every tribe have unhinged folks why just talk about Hawiye? LOL and then you have the audacity to call me a Munafaq.

Instead of being a decent human and understanding that the Somali tribalist mentality whether it be Hawiye, Darood and Isaaq is the cause, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Imagine if I said what you said but about another tribe?

You are not slick with your qabyaalad,

What tribe have I ever insulted or accused of being the reason for the downfall of Somalia? Have I ever made comments about MJs? Ogadens, Dirs?

Naya, I have decency to not talk about other people’s tribes.

and you know exactly why I say hawiye is holding Somalia back. If hawiye was genuine about the stability and uniting of Somalia they would agree to move the Capital to a more neutral city

Lol, there is no neutral city. What city doesn’t have a qabil majority?

but, they wont because they want it to be in a hawiye city where they get to dictate and be majority of the govt. Notice the PM of the country is hardly allowed to do his job.

Hawiye, hawiye,hawiye

What a nasty tribalist. Continue to embarrass yourself. You have 0 awareness. I never created this thread so you can point the finger at one tribe.

How could any city be neutral when every city has a majority qabil? Let me think the cities majority needs to be Darood but not Marehan i'm guessing due to what Farmajo did right? Since there isn’t a neutral city at all in terms of qabil. What a foolish point.

Xamar wasn’t just a Hawiye city in the past, it was the most Multiqabil city and that’s a fact. What needs to be done is that the houses stolen from the Daroods and Xamar cadcads needed to be retuned and there are a lot of Rahenweyne living in Xamar already. We need to go back to how it was before and the only way that would be possible is by evicting some of the Hawiyes squatting in houses that don't belong to them being ousted.

Nothing hawiye hasnt done is ever blamed on them, and if you did your search without bias you know everything people say about them is true.

Ah yes, more unhinged babble. It’s all Hawiye LOOOL. Yes, everything they say is true.

mj do not hate the idea of Somaliland, personally, I couldnt careless about sl in its entirety but what harti want is to be part of the South and not succeed with isaaq which they have a right to and hawiye out of qabyaalad and irirism wont recognize ssc as a state.

You’re disgusting and I guessed your intentions right away. You simple want to blame everything on one tribe. I didn’t create a thread so that you can shit on Hawiyes and call me a Munafaq when your intentions are clear for everyone to see.

Now get out of my mentions you qabil ridden bird brain.

 

[techsamatar]

Hawaadle are the Only Mentally Sane Unproblematic Clan, They should Subjugate the Horn and could potentially Unite Clans since they Have Darood and Hawiye Ancestry.

 

[Angelina]

Hawaadle are the Only Mentally Sane Unproblematic Clan, They should Subjugate the Horn and could potentially Unite Clans since they Have Darood and Hawiye Ancestry.

Warya, get out here with your nonsense.

 

[Aseer]

@Angelina are you single?

 

[Abdalla]

Wow, you can’t hide your poisonous qabyalad can you? Let me guess everything is because of Hawiye and your clan is absolutely innocent and deserve to rule. Literally what I was talking about earlier.

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If you actually read my original post, it’s very clear I’m talking about Somalia and every other region. But since you’re a qabilist you think I won’t talk about Hawiyes. I defended them a couple of times when I actually bothered to venture to this God forsaken section since most on here are MJs and call Hawiyes Hutu and were making disgusting colorist remarks and blame them for everything. How is that acceptable? No accountability whatsoever. I hardly venture to the Somali politics side and everyone on here knows I hardly do and that I’m mostly in the general section. I also defend Isaaqs since many on her are MJs and like to shit talk Isaaqs and hate the idea of Somaliland whilst wanting Puntland to be independent LOL! Hypocrisy! So 85% of posters are MJs and it’s okay for them to make Idoor jokes and Hawiye Hutu madow jokes and I’m a tribalist for saying why are you insulting groups?!

From your actual comment, I know your Darood and suffer the exact same bias you’re accusing me of but worse. I’ve never ever insulted any qabil in my life and I’ve never said they’re the reason for XYZ because as far as I’m concerned they’re all bad as each other with Jahils like you leading the way.

Good day you little qabilist! You’ve exposed yourself.

In an anti tribalism thread, spewing hatred towards MJs is very telling.

 

[Angelina]

In an anti tribalism thread, spewing hatred towards MJs is very telling.

And what did I say that’s even remotely horrible about MJs? Wallahi you’re a liar for saying that.

All I said is that they’re the majority on this forum and the nonsense i've come across by posters like hutu Hawiye and how they're the ones that ruined Somalia. I didn’t mention anything else. I have nothing to say about MJs.

But it’s very telling that when a poster went on an anti-Hawiye rant for no reason and started mentioning qabils you have nothing to say but you have the time to blatantly lie you unhinged qabilist.

 

[Angelina]

@Angelina are you single?

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[Aseer]

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Cool.

 

[Angelina]

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[Nass010]

Qabil is bs, everyone who is sane understands this. And even if it had its advantages its disadvantages always out weights it. If somalia really want to hold on to qabil they should make an football league with qabiil teams, atleast we could actually have quality stadiums by then since everyone and their mothers would invest

 

[MBADD]

Tribalism existed long before we were born and will exist long after we die.

England was named after the Angles tribe that ruled it for centuries and would form the backbone of the British Empire.

The Ottoman's history started by conquering the Anatolian Beyliks to unite all the Turkish tribes under the Osmangolu sub clan.

The Mongolian tribes were xooged so badly by Genghi Khan's people that they agreed to sit on the table he was the head of, and the rest is history.

Name any great nation and I'll name you a powerful family from a powerful tribe that started the conquests.

Its the nature of humans and Somalis are no different, our only problem is we're too late to the game without a final winner.

Think of these foreign agents like Turkey, UAE, and the West as invasive species. What happens when you have invasive species in an environment? It messes up the natural order of things. That's what's happening in Somalia right now.

There is no tribalism problem in England, Turkey, and Mongolia today because nature was allowed to take its course and hierarchy was established long before any foreigners could come and interfere.

For Somalia to truly be a united country it needs 1 great leader from a clan powerful enough to subjugate other Somali clans long enough to make them drop their tribal identity and transition their offsprings into a mind set of national identity.

 

[Abdalla]

And what did I say that’s even remotely horrible about MJs? Wallahi you’re a liar for saying that.

All I said is that they’re the majority on this forum and the nonsense i've come across by posters like hutu Hawiye and how they're the ones that ruined Somalia. I didn’t mention anything else. I have nothing to say about MJs.

But it’s very telling that when a poster went on an anti-Hawiye rant for no reason and started mentioning qabils you have nothing to say but you have the time to blatantly lie you unhinged qabilist.

It takes two to tango, blaming MJs but not the others is unfair of you. You don’t see the hypocrisy of singling out one clan in an anti-qabiil thread?

 

[Aseer]

Qabil is bs, everyone who is sane understands this. And even if it had its advantages its disadvantages always out weights it. If somalia really want to hold on to qabil they should make an football league with qabiil teams, atleast we could actually have quality stadiums by then since everyone and their mothers would invest

The audience fights would be crazy though, niggas will be whipping out AK's if their qabiils team loses to their enemy qabiil.

 

[Aseer]

Tribalism existed long before we were born and will exist long after we die.

England was named after the Angles tribe that ruled it for centuries and would form the backbone of the British Empire.

The Ottoman's history started by conquering the Anatolian Beyliks to unite all the Turkish tribes under the Osmangolu sub clan.

The Mongolian tribes were xooged so badly by Genghi Khan's people that they agreed to sit on the table he was the head of, and the rest is history.

Name any great nation and I'll name you a powerful family from a powerful tribe that started the conquests.

Its the nature of humans and Somalis are no different, our only problem is we're too late to the game without a final winner.

Think of these foreign agents like Turkey, UAE, and the West as invasive species. What happens when you have invasive species in an environment? It messes up the natural order of things. That's what's happening in Somalia right now.

There is no tribalism problem in England, Turkey, and Mongolia today because nature was allowed to take its course and hierarchy was established long before any foreigners could come and interfere.

For Somalia to truly be a united country it needs 1 great leader from a clan powerful enough to subjugate other Somali clans long enough to make them drop their tribal identity and transition their offsprings into a mind set of national identity.

That sadly has not happened since all tribes were at a stalemate and were too busy fending off oromo and ethiopian hordes.