The stain of tribalism

Mudug_gyal

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Hargeisa has a very large population. It's probably the safest large city in Somalia.

Many non-isaaqs live there peacefully. You would be fine.
They skinned her alive because she was from a different tribe. Im mj theyll have me for breakfast :fantasia2:
 
Somalinimo never existed and the Gen Z are just taking their qabiil side no different from their parents except they have zero knowledge on the tribes of the Somali-inhabited parts of the Horn nor speak a lick of Somali

Based Isaaqs
The world has moved on from the days of warring tribes. The issue with creating nations based on tribe identity for Somalis
Is that is never ending. Today it’s Isaaq vs Dhulos, then once that dies down you’ll see clashes between HY and then another sub tribe of Isaaq. The geelgire is in constant fight mode. Can’t even trust him to not fight his sub-tribe and that was our history. Plus as you’ve admitted Isaaqs aren’t even all related.
 

Garaad Awal

Former African
The world has moved on from the days of warring tribes. The issue with creating nations based on tribe identity for Somalis Is that is never ending
Maybe for Somalia but SL (Isaaqs) dont have the problem.
. Today it’s Isaaq vs Dhulos, then once that dies down you’ll see clashes between HY and then another sub tribe of Isaaq.
Isaaqs already had our inner war in the 90s during the beginning of the establishment of SL. We learned our lessons and disarmed our civillian population under Ina Cigaal unlike Somalians
The geelgire is in constant fight mode. Can’t even trust him to not fight his sub-tribe and that was our history
And? What does that have to do with SL, we are a full-fledged state with state institutions. Don’t compare us to the tribal paper-states of Somalia
Plus as you’ve admitted Isaaqs aren’t even all related.
So? None of you Somalians are related and you invite foreigners in your intra-qabiil problems, JL is a good example when an OG invited Kenyans and the Mx became Ethiopian allied with Ethiopian troops protecting them.
 
Maybe for Somalia but SL (Isaaqs) dont have the problem.
There was friction recently just before LA situation with some HY angry and going into the mountains.
Isaaqs already had our inner war in the 90s during the beginning of the establishment of SL. We learned our lessons and disarmed our civillian population under Ina Cigaal unlike Somalians
Lol, thanks for admitting this was a thing in the very recent past. Once unity happens and the Darood bogeyman goes his separate ways, let’s hope the Geljire learns to behave himself when Somalia InshaAllah finally leaves SL alone.
And? What does that have to do with SL, we are a full-fledged state with state institutions. Don’t compare us to the tribal paper-states of Somalia
Lol, are you dense? It’s still a tribal enclave. That’s why there is fighting between Waqooyi Daroods and Isaaqs and why you feel tension with Samaroons which you mentioned.

Seems like Reer SL also can’t live with their fellow Landers due to tribe. And it’s a historical fact that different sub-clans had fights in the 90s, hence it’s YOUR history deal with it.
So? None of you Somalians are related and you invite foreigners in your intra-qabiil problems, JL is a good example when an OG invited Kenyans and the Mx became Ethiopian allied with Ethiopian troops protecting them.
The south doesn’t have an extra qabil problem more so than the North. The fighting between Isaaqs and Dhulos has proven this. There are only three main tribes in the North and they still couldn’t co-exist whilst the South has many. Even before attaining independence from Somalia, a big war still happened.

Don’t lie to yourself. I’m not attacking any region or qabil. I think all of you Geelgires are the same.
 
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The world has moved on from the days of warring tribes. The issue with creating nations based on tribe identity for Somalis
Is that is never ending. Today it’s Isaaq vs Dhulos, then once that dies down you’ll see clashes between HY and then another sub tribe of Isaaq. The geelgire is in constant fight mode. Can’t even trust him to not fight his sub-tribe and that was our history. Plus as you’ve admitted Isaaqs aren’t even all related.
Maybe it’s time to ditch the geeljire lifestyle, we are literally in the 21st century. Geeljirenimo it’s the basis of our inter clan conflicts, our ancestors used to raid neighbouring subs and steal their geel and kill their man then make poems flexing then the sub retaliates and overtime they form alliances with different clans which further escalate the conflict then future generations believe that these alliances are their real qabiils as there geeljire xoogsters ancestors were illiterate and lineage and history is oral hence very fallible . Fast forward in the modern era we still use these fake clans and some petty conflicts that happened time ago to hate on other Somalis, we also incorporated qabiil into politics and wonder why are government is clannist and has failed.
 
I would not worry too much about qabyaalad, as it is hardly a factor when crisscrossing Somali territories, and as long as I am hearing Somali voices from coast to coast, life is grand.
There are literally clans xooging each other in 2024, In most parts of Somalia apart from urban areas u will face qabyaalad if your not from the clan of the region, also in other areas u can literally get killed for being from clan X
 
There are literally clans xooging each other in 2024, In most parts of Somalia apart from urban areas
Clan wars in the entire Somali peninsula from the 90s could be counted in one hand. Minor tiffs no bigger than neighbourhood tussles in Chicago, if you consider the casualties, do happen, and are part of life, but nothing to be majorly concerned about.

Real concerns I see are lack of taking advantage of natural resources, educating the populace, healthy masses etc. That is wherein lies the trouble.
u will face qabyaalad if your not from the clan of the region, also in other areas u can literally get killed for being from clan X
Where does that happen?
 
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mohammdov

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This is a lie. I am in Hargeisa and nothing like this has happened. I have two families as my neighbors, they are Og and Mj I have two Dhulbahnte friend and Warsangli And no one attacked them
As for your saying that we are the most tribal, this is nonsense. You will find a 20-year-old man in Hargeisa who does not even know his sub-clan or his Abtirsi
 
This is a lie. I am in Hargeisa and nothing like this has happened. I have two families as my neighbors, they are Og and Mj I have two Dhulbahnte friend and Warsangli And no one attacked them
As for your saying that we are the most tribal, this is nonsense. You will find a 20-year-old man in Hargeisa who does not even know his sub-clan or his Abtirsi
SL is an Issaq breakaway state, It is unique to others like it. It is not content to be an FMS and instead wants to be its own issaqland. When Dhulbahante wanted their right to self-determination in the issaqs imaginary country they were shelled and killed indiscriminately. Need I say more? The OG lady slain in Hargiesa is real I will find it soon enough.
 

mohammdov

Nabadshe
SL is an Issaq breakaway state, It is unique to others like it. It is not content to be an FMS and instead wants to be its own issaqland. When Dhulbahante wanted their right to self-determination in the issaqs imaginary country they were shelled and killed indiscriminately. Need I say more? The OG lady slain in Hargiesa is real I will find it soon enough.
The number of civilian deaths does not exceed 15
Not a single house was completely destroyed. Compare this to what you did in 1988-1991🤣
 
I will never trust this Rhetoric. Kinsmen is all you can trust in that cursed desert 7. People that preach this give me this vibe:View attachment 317879

While I agree with what you said I don't think Angela has malicious intent. I get where she's coming from. I would agree with her if she included the Hawyie dominated FGS. Are we really supposed to come together and hand ourselves to a central government led by Hawiye when we know in fact the Somali National Army takes part in tribal conflicts against the Biyomaal & Rahanweyn in Lower Shabelle? What makes the FGS any different from all other entities and what good will it make if we go back to the central system? I don't trust the current mafia that rules the government and I see them no different than Puntland or Jubaland just because the international community and the Darood forced the 4.5 down their throat doesn't mean they're representatives for all Somalis.
 
While I agree with what you said I don't think Angela has malicious intent. I get where she's coming from. I would agree with her if she included the Hawyie dominated FGS. Are we really supposed to come together and hand ourselves to a central government led by Hawiye when we know in fact the Somali National Army takes part in tribal conflicts against the Biyomaal & Rahanweyn in Lower Shabelle? What makes the FGS any different from all other entities and what good will it make if we go back to the central system? I don't trust the current mafia that rules the government and I see them no different than Puntland or Jubaland just because the international community and the Darood forced the 4.5 down their throat doesn't mean they're representatives for all Somalis.
Yea I agree I don't trust the FGS either Hassan Sheik is running like the old kacaan government. I don't blame anyone for wanting to secede now that I think about it. Centralization is an attempt to rob other regions blind. Current Ragime is a complete clown show.
 
Yea I agree I don't trust the FGS either Hassan Sheik is running like the old kacaan government. I don't blame anyone for wanting to secede now that I think about it. Centralization is an attempt to rob other regions blind. Current Ragime is a complete clown show.

Exactly. If the government is just, transparent and dacaad I have no qualms as a Somalilander to go back in the union. That's why I'm a huge believer in the ICU, it was the closest we ever had of a just grassroot government even though it was Hawiye dominated. In comparison the FGS is weak, corrupt on life support by the IC and their abhorrent 4.5 ... What I'm not going to do is sit here and act like FGS looks after the interest of all Somalis equally and not dominated by a competing duopoly. What was the point of rebelling against Siad Barre, to come 30 years later and replace his MOD with HAG?
 

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