The stain of tribalism

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π’‹π’–π’†π’”π’–π’•π’ˆ said:
A self-proclaimed bourgeois Anglicist, a protege of I M Lewis, with a narrow scope of interest in Galadi Sultanate and Oromos, her specialisation, Why would any self-respecting Somali wish to read her escapes, and adventures bundled as an academic research. Was not Galadi an extension of the Ajuran Sultanate, the most influential, in the deep South?
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Yes, Geledi was an extension of Ajuuraan. She wrote the most about the Geledi Sultanate. Her book is a good place to start. You can venture out further once you’re finished reading.
 
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π’‹π’–π’†π’”π’–π’•π’ˆ

VIP
Step a side said:
Yes, Geledi was an extension of Ajuuraan. She wrote the most about the Geledi Sultanate. Her book is a good place to start. You can venture out further once you’re finished reading.
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Fair enough. I just despise Saancadaale colonialists and their scribbles being passed off as academic research, and an authority on such matters, when there are better reference material by Somalis and Muslims.
 
Yazi

Yazi

π’‹π’–π’†π’”π’–π’•π’ˆ said:
Homespun history lessons have a way of eating themselves from within, and in stride, for flawed, and easy to puncture they are, of own fissures.

S Barre was a colonial puppet, not a shrewd politician, nor was he a visionary leader. Kamal el Din Salah offered an insight into his schizophrenic tendencies prior to his murder, and so did E Honecker, Chancellor of East Germany during the 1977 war with .Et.
  • He along with others ( of SRRC incl. Ismacil C Abokor, Axmed M Faarax, Xuseen Kulmiye, Maxamed C Samatar, Axmed S Dafle) were equally to blame for the evils that had befallen the nation. Do you recognise the first two? I ask, for you seem to have absolved them of responsibilities of any evil doings, yet S Barre was to blame for all heinous crimes when they were all as much to blame for the inhumane atrocities.

Terrifyingly shortsighted.
  • So, 1991 did not present an opportunity to keep the nation intact instead of opting for a secessionist agenda (NW), or a turning point to bring tribes together instead of waging a clan war (deep South)? I wonder why? Easy to spot faults elsewhere, is not it?
    • Or in 1999, when ina Cigaal was handed an opportunity to form a provincial Somali government with Hargeysa its Capital, and with UN sponsorship.
  • Then came the TNG, which for all intents and purposes had a golden opportunity to amalgamate authority in the most insecure, unstable regions, but instead chose to wage a war against stable regions namely PL & SL whilst Xamar was still burning. Its Premier at the time later lamented as much.
  • ICUs were three-pronged enterprise of conflicting ideologies, with each seeking domination of the other, which eventually saw to their downfall, as became evident in Sudan to be more precise, well before the Ethiopians. Their Ayatullahs from Burco, Garowe and Jeddah, who congregated in Xamar during the time attested to as much. So did M Caddow, who documented as much prior to his killing by his comrades. But then again, you already knew that, except it does not quite fit in with the narrative you wish to propagate.
I'll pause there.
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Give credit where it's due. I detest Siad Barre and hate his guts but he managed to hijack the coup, execute all his partners in crime, outmanoeuvre & jail the entire political class of the civilian government and install his own personality cult which was going well till Ogaden war. You might argue there was no political rival to him but the quickness and cutthroat way he asserted his control over the government requires high level of intelligence and personal awareness. He's the same guy who was laughed at the beginning of the coup and told "Ma adigu Afweyne ah ayaad rabta inad meesha Xukuntid" He was agreed upon because everyone else thought he's a stupid simpleton that could be controlled but made the biggest comeback in Somali history.
 
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Yazi

Yazi

Step a side said:
You are right brother, there is no need for domination. People as far as Hararge were willing to join Somalia peacefully. Harar was even proposed to be the capital of this new Somalia. Like you mentioned earlier, we just need a just leader that wins over the hearts of the people. He will come inshaAllah!!
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The problem in modern Somalia is that even if such dacaad person comes other clans will never surrender their autonomy to him. This new Ahmed Gury MUST use force to subjugate the rest of Somalia. If you haven't noticed, the military rule of Siad Barre created a culture of deeply rooted mistrust in the government by Somalis. We finally understood the power of state institutions and will never willy give it away so easily like 1960. That's why Somaliweyn is dead. Tribal pride, mistrust and cynical attitude to Somali Governments will remain for the foreseeable future. Especially with meddling of foreign powers preventing a single group from dominating the whole country.
 
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π’‹π’–π’†π’”π’–π’•π’ˆ

VIP
Yazi said:
Give credit where it's due. I detest Siad Barre and hate his guts but he managed to hijack the coup, execute all his partners in crime, outmanoeuvre & jail the entire political class of the civilian government and install his own personality cult which was going well till Ogaden war. You might argue there was no political rival to him but the quickness and cutthroat way he asserted his control over the government requires high level of intelligence and personal awareness. He's the same guy who was laughed at the beginning of the coup and told "Ma adigu Afweyne ah ayaad rabta inad meesha Xukuntid" He was agreed upon because everyone else thought he's a stupid simpleton that could be controlled but made the biggest comeback in Somali history.
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No mate, everything the SSRC politburo had done from the murder of Kamal al Din to the execution of Dhel, Caynaanshe, and Gabayre to the 11 Sheekhs in 1975 to the 1977 S Galbeed war to the culling of Sr military officers post the war in 1978, and events afterwards had been drafted for them to implement, with none of it being of their invention nor innovation.
 
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π’‹π’–π’†π’”π’–π’•π’ˆ

VIP
Step a side said:
❀️ I wish I was smart kkk. Most of the historical stuff I tend to get from educated elders in group chats. I just save it on my PC/Mobile and forward/cite it when needed.
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Oh you are being modest; are you a Brit? See, from what I observe you read, listen, and rationalise data, and do not mind being corrected, or being wrong, viewing the encounter as as a learning experience, which is the right ingredient for being intellectually smart. Very few people have that!
 
Yazi

Yazi

π’‹π’–π’†π’”π’–π’•π’ˆ said:
No mate, everything the SSRC politburo had done from the murder of Kamal al Din to the execution of Dhel, Caynaanshe, and Gabayre to the 11 Sheekhs in 1975 to the 1977 S Galbeed war to the culling of Sr military officers post the war in 1978, and events afterwards had been drafted for them to implement, with none of it being of their invention nor innovation.
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I read somewhere the assassination was sponsored by Russian intelligence and Barre played his role, he however dominated the state rather quickly. He discard Soviets warnings of not invading Ethiopia that tells you he had an independent mind and foreign policy forget about interior affairs. The Soviets knew about his tribalism and injustice yet couldn't force him to turn into full mode commie secular.
 
Step a side

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Yazi said:
The problem in modern Somalia is that even if such dacaad person comes other clans will never surrender their autonomy to him. This new Ahmed Gury MUST use force to subjugate the rest of Somalia. If you haven't noticed, the military rule of Siad Barre created a culture of deeply rooted mistrust in the government by Somalis. We finally understood the power of state institutions and will never willy give it away so easily like 1960. That's why Somaliweyn is dead. Tribal pride, mistrust and cynical attitude to Somali Governments will remain for the foreseeable future. Especially with meddling of foreign powers preventing a single group from dominating the whole country.
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πŸ™ You’re not wrong. Trust is key into uniting all factions and only a just ruler can make that happen. I personally don’t believe in xoog because it will lead us into another major civil war. A ruler that can win over the hearts of the people not just through his words but through his actions is what we need. I’m sure if the people from Seylac to Ras Kiyambooni are treated equally and just by the FGS as well as getting the necessary fundings to build their regions independently then without a shadow of doubt they will slowly but surely surrender themselves to FGS.

Khair inshaAllah let’s see what the future brings us.

π’‹π’–π’†π’”π’–π’•π’ˆ said:
Oh you are being modest; are you a Brit? See, from what I observe you read, listen, and rationalise data, and do not mind being corrected, or being wrong, viewing the encounter as as a learning experience, which is the right ingredient for being intellectually smart. Very few people have that!
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❀️ thanks bro for the kind words. Yes I’m a Brit. You?
 
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