The main reason why Western Somalis aren’t doing well

[World]

Is because of parents raising their children in low income housing so that they can collect benefits.

Gangs, violence, drug dealing, poor school performance, islamic extremism, broken families is ALL tied to this one problem.

I do honestly believe somalis are naturally a smart, innovative and intelligent people, but this one problem has cursed the western Somali diaspora.

And Somali parents don’t think there is anything wrong with raising their children in these hazardous environments. They are in their own clueless bubbles and aren’t able to see things outside of it.

If there were no benefits, no council housing, and all of this socialism, I honestly believe Somalis would be a prospering and thriving community.

 

[Saeedlfc]

Also because parents don't take mental illnesses such as depression and ADHD seriously

 

[World]

This is also why I support the Conservative party in the UK.

 

[World]

I mean what on earth were somali parents thinking? That their children would become successful if they raise them in ghettos? Where is the long term thinking?

 

[World]

Parents shouldn’t be getting income if they pop out a children. Not only does it reduce upward mobility in the social ladder since household sizes will be much larger and thus much more expensive, but the children won’t get the right attention they need growing up. It also removes fathers as the main provider of the family, a role in which the state now controls.

 

[SumMo]

It’s cus most of them end up as a low-life gangistar with no future. [B]@Abaay Abaay[/B] for example.. he is a low-life gangistar who has never amounted to anything in his life.

This is the kind of guy you don’t want your son to end up like!


So, what can we do to stop this?

 

[Inquisitive_]

The problem is not the ghetto's themselves but the collective conscious of the people who have no values, poor Pakistanis/Bengali's also create their own ghetto's in far larger scales in the UK

But you never see the levels of crime or degeneracy you see in Somali/Black ghetto's that often become no go areas for other Blacks/Somali's.

The issue is broken homes, and what creates broken homes is welfare, and when you combine this with none existent values other then qabiil, it turns into a violent cascading death trap.

The Pakistani single mother lives with her parents or immediate family, several male figures are present in the house at all times, her father, grandfather and her several brothers with other children.

That child is not raised alone, there are many watchful eyes as he grows up including several role models around him at all times, every negative factor of the divorce is totally negated by this.

Now contrasts this to us were the women begs the state for a house and raises those kids absent of any male role model, no one even keeps a close watchful eye, she herself feels free of any need.

To make matters worse, she continues to marry several other men purely for short-term pleasure marriages that doesn't last long and she ends up kicking those men out too like she did to the first whenever she gets bored of him. (while picking up more welfare for each extra child)

Imagine what this does to the psyche or self-esteem of the children as they watch all of this drama as they grow up? it's absolutely devastating, children learn to copy their parents.

We do not see the same behaviour in Somalia despite the dreadful civil wars and difficult life because it's a patriarchal society run by males.

This clearly proofs that the destruction of the Somali households in the diaspora is done by our Xaalimo's that have been empowered by the state because the Faraxs have absolutely no power.

The Pakistani's/Bengali's counteract this satanic system through their deeply ingrained value system, close knit family and greater sense of community which we don't have.

No women would even dare to destroy that equilibrium or rebel because her own brother is prepared to murder her for it.

If she somehow survives murder or an acid attack, the entire community cuts her off, a virtual death sentence is handed out and in a lot of cases she goes under witness protection schemes.

We don't even have 1% of this, hence as individual farax's beyond psychological warfare we are completely toothless in this society because we have no community back up against this.

Even worse then all of this we are fully at her mercy and whims the moment you decide to marry her and have kids

Hence only an idiot would marry in the diaspora knowing the highly disadvantaged circumstances he will be in, a highly masculine man would therefore never marry in the west, bring a wife to the west or try to raise a kid her.

 

[DeadStar]

It’s cus most of them end up as a low-life gangistar with no future. [B]@Abaay Abaay[/B] for example.. he is a low-life gangistar who has never amounted to anything in his life.

This is the kind of guy you don’t want your son to end up like!


So, what can we do to stop this?

You need to get your mind off me. It’s not healthy for your psyche.


Come dance with me.

 

[Mercury]

Problem lies in the fact alot of Somali men would rather see their wife collect welfare than work so she can stay at home and take care of the kids and house

In the long run the more kids they get the less involved the Dad Will be since the state are providing for his family

Somalis are so content with taking welfare they dont realize they could Be making more by working instead

 

[TheAnswer]

How can you expect the parents to know better when they themselves are illiterate and uneducated.

Even when they try to make "good" decisions for their kids, it's a bad idea. The latest craze in my town is sending lazy dropout children to become "doctors" in China. They really think after giving a Chinese degree mill tens of thousands of dollars, their kid will become back as a M.D qualified to practice in the U.S after taking a simple test. They ignore you if you tell them that it's not that easy...

 

[Daleelah]

Is because of parents raising their children in low income housing so that they can collect benefits.

Gangs, violence, drug dealing, poor school performance, islamic extremism, broken families is ALL tied to this one problem.

I do honestly believe somalis are naturally a smart, innovative and intelligent people, but this one problem has cursed the western Somali diaspora.

And Somali parents don’t think there is anything wrong with raising their children in these hazardous environments. They are in their own clueless bubbles and aren’t able to see things outside of it.

If there were no benefits, no council housing, and all of this socialism, I honestly believe Somalis would be a prospering and thriving community.

Why are you acting fake concerned about the Somali community, when you was assuming many negative and vulgar things about a fellow Somali (me in this case) just for saying similar to what you are saying now, in a previous post just last night. People like you are PART of the problem.

 

[Gadiid]

I understand your points but how can you support the Tories who exasperated all of our problems with austerity?
Kind of diminishes your argument, you support the party that would keep these people in such a position.
It's pointless for you to try to offer reasons or solutions in that regard.

 

[wawenka]

Parents shouldn’t be getting income if they pop out a children. Not only does it reduce upward mobility in the social ladder since household sizes will be much larger and thus much more expensive, but the children won’t get the right attention they need growing up. It also removes fathers as the main provider of the family, a role in which the state now controls.

I fully agree with you , but myself i come from a background like that and if you raise this concerns it Will create an akward situation beacuse this type of thinking is very tabu in our communites overall

 

[CangeeroBear]

It’s cus most of them end up as a low-life gangistar with no future. [B]@Abaay Abaay[/B] for example.. he is a low-life gangistar who has never amounted to anything in his life.

This is the kind of guy you don’t want your son to end up like!


So, what can we do to stop this?

What is this beef with @Abaay Abaay

My ngga will pump and dump u str8 up
:siilaanyolaugh:

 

[Molotoff]

I wonder what would happen to the Somali community in the Western diaspora if wellfare was cut substantially...

 

[Inquisitive_]

I wonder what would happen to the Somali community in the Western diaspora if wellfare was cut substantially...

Sun Tzu death ground strategy occurs.

The colonialist of old when they invaded an Island, the general would burn all the boats, this placed the entire army on death ground because there is no way back anymore.

It's make or break and people like this were unstoppable especially when it came to warfare, they managed to subdue far larger armies as a result because those they fought had a way out when things got tough which they didn't.

The same would have occurred if welfare never existed, death ground instinct kicks in, the father is forced to work to feed himself and his family, he would take any kind of job because he is in a survival situation.

In such circumstances the women wouldn't have dared to rebel against him either. This is how things used to be in the good old days.

 

[Idil-Beydaan]

The problem is not the ghetto's themselves but the collective conscious of the people who have no values, poor Pakistanis/Bengali's also create their own ghetto's in far larger scales in the UK

But you never see the levels of crime or degeneracy you see in Somali/Black ghetto's that often become no go areas for other Blacks/Somali's.

The issue is broken homes, and what creates broken homes is welfare, and when you combine this with none existent values other then qabiil, it turns into a violent cascading death trap.

The Pakistani single mother lives with her parents or immediate family, several male figures are present in the house at all times, her father, grandfather and her several brothers with other children.

That child is not raised alone, there are many watchful eyes as he grows up including several role models around him at all times, every negative factor of the divorce is totally negated by this.

Now contrasts this to us were the women begs the state for a house and raises those kids absent of any male role model, no one even keeps a close watchful eye, she herself feels free of any need.

To make matters worse, she continues to marry several other men purely for short-term pleasure marriages that doesn't last long and she ends up kicking those men out too like she did to the first whenever she gets bored of him. (while picking up more welfare for each extra child)

Imagine what this does to the psyche or self-esteem of the children as they watch all of this drama as they grow up? it's absolutely devastating, children learn to copy their parents.

We do not see the same behaviour in Somalia despite the dreadful civil wars and difficult life because it's a patriarchal society run by males.

This clearly proofs that the destruction of the Somali households in the diaspora is done by our Xaalimo's that have been empowered by the state because the Faraxs have absolutely no power.

The Pakistani's/Bengali's counteract this satanic system through their deeply ingrained value system, close knit family and greater sense of community which we don't have.

No women would even dare to destroy that equilibrium or rebel because her own brother is prepared to murder her for it.

If she somehow survives murder or an acid attack, the entire community cuts her off, a virtual death sentence is handed out and in a lot of cases she goes under witness protection schemes.

We don't even have 1% of this, hence as individual farax's beyond psychological warfare we are completely toothless in this society because we have no community back up against this.

Even worse then all of this we are fully at her mercy and whims the moment you decide to marry her and have kids

Hence only an idiot would marry in the diaspora knowing the highly disadvantaged circumstances he will be in, a highly masculine man would therefore never marry in the west, bring a wife to the west or try to raise a kid her.

Inquisitive this post is biased towards females
How about women who are in abusive marriages is it not better for them to be single mothers away from their judgemental somali families.
I was listening a lecture the other day and I found out that the Pakistani tradition of having the wife or the divorcée live with her parents or parents-in-law is not a pleasant thing. They constantly judge and ridicule a grown woman on how she conducts herself or raises her kids. There is also physical abuse involved. It is not something to aim for. We should br greatful that Somali men do not do the things Arab and Asian men do to their partners behind closed doors.

 

[MariaMaria]

I agree with your post but...

This is also why I support the Conservative party in the UK.

are you one of those ignorant leave voters too ?

 

[Inquisitive_]

Inquisitive this post is biased towards females
How about women who are in abusive marriages is it not better for them to be single mothers away from their judgemental somali families.
I was listening a lecture the other day and I found out that the Pakistani tradition of having the wife or the divorcée live wit her parent or parent-in-law is not a pleasant thing. They constantly judge and ridicule a grown woman on how she conducts herself or raises her kids. There is also physical abuse involved. It is not something to aim for. We should br greatful that Somali men do not do the things Arab and Asian men do to their partners behind closed doors.

I don't see how a single mother that is living with her family (the very household she grew up in) would abuse her. They selected her partner for her in the arranged marriage.

My post was mainly dealing with how their culture of not allowing single mothers to live alone and raise children alone, negates the effects a broken home has on the children.

If a daughter of mine got divorced, she would move back in with me since I am the guardian once again, those children are raised with a father figure always around them negating the ill effects of divorce.

The issue with their culture is the disgusting practice of male in-laws around the wife which the Prophet referred to as "death" but that's a separate topic, the divorced women in the majority of circumstances moves back with her family.

 

[catwoman]

The problem is not the ghetto's themselves but the collective conscious of the people who have no values, poor Pakistanis/Bengali's also create their own ghetto's in far larger scales in the UK

But you never see the levels of crime or degeneracy you see in Somali/Black ghetto's that often become no go areas for other Blacks/Somali's.

The issue is broken homes, and what creates broken homes is welfare, and when you combine this with none existent values other then qabiil, it turns into a violent cascading death trap.

The Pakistani single mother lives with her parents or immediate family, several male figures are present in the house at all times, her father, grandfather and her several brothers with other children.

That child is not raised alone, there are many watchful eyes as he grows up including several role models around him at all times, every negative factor of the divorce is totally negated by this.

Now contrasts this to us were the women begs the state for a house and raises those kids absent of any male role model, no one even keeps a close watchful eye, she herself feels free of any need.

To make matters worse, she continues to marry several other men purely for short-term pleasure marriages that doesn't last long and she ends up kicking those men out too like she did to the first whenever she gets bored of him. (while picking up more welfare for each extra child)

Imagine what this does to the psyche or self-esteem of the children as they watch all of this drama as they grow up? it's absolutely devastating, children learn to copy their parents.

We do not see the same behaviour in Somalia despite the dreadful civil wars and difficult life because it's a patriarchal society run by males.

This clearly proofs that the destruction of the Somali households in the diaspora is done by our Xaalimo's that have been empowered by the state because the Faraxs have absolutely no power.

The Pakistani's/Bengali's counteract this satanic system through their deeply ingrained value system, close knit family and greater sense of community which we don't have.

No women would even dare to destroy that equilibrium or rebel because her own brother is prepared to murder her for it.

If she somehow survives murder or an acid attack, the entire community cuts her off, a virtual death sentence is handed out and in a lot of cases she goes under witness protection schemes.

We don't even have 1% of this, hence as individual farax's beyond psychological warfare we are completely toothless in this society because we have no community back up against this.

Even worse then all of this we are fully at her mercy and whims the moment you decide to marry her and have kids

Hence only an idiot would marry in the diaspora knowing the highly disadvantaged circumstances he will be in, a highly masculine man would therefore never marry in the west, bring a wife to the west or try to raise a kid her.

You cant be serious. The man (as the HEAD of the household) should be trying to provide. not waiting for the state to step in. No power? do many even want the power to begin with? Don't get me wrong I don't think women are blameless.

Pakastani and Bengali culture of acid attacks and murder threats is disgusting and should not even be made as a comparison. Somalis do not do this and will never. Its not a "lucky" thing either as that behaviour is abhorrent. Do you want that 1%?

Ah yes. The big bad West. Masculine man shouldn't worry about geographical location and instead use the West for its opportunities. I mean cmon guys wheres the accountability?