T-M184 Discussion

[Advokaten]

Which haplogroups did they receive? That’s quite amazing that we are starting to know so much about our ancestors instead of guesses and thoughts.

 

[Apollo]

Which haplogroups did they receive? That’s quite amazing that we are starting to know so much about our ancestors instead of guesses and thoughts.

Here's the example I was thinking of, there are some others:

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[Advokaten]

If Haplogroup a is basal and the oldest one why did most of it’s haplotypes not participate in the out of Africa migration? Why did only BT make it? Especially when in itself it is also and subclade of a2-t who is a basal subclade of Haplogroup a? It does not make any sense

 

[Apollo]

If Haplogroup a is basal and the oldest one why did most of it’s haplotypes not participate in the out of Africa migration? Why did only BT make it? Especially when in itself it is also and subclade of a2-t who is a basal subclade of Haplogroup a? It does not make any sense

Human populations were extremely tiny back then. Maybe only CT populations lived in the Horn region back then and A and B are more from the interior.

Haplogroup A is not really a conventional haplogroup. It only really means everything except B-through-T. Some As (like A1b1) are closer to BT than the other As (like A00). Browse through yfull.com to get a grasp of the tree.

 

[Advokaten]

So a small geographically enclosed population with Haplogroup BT left alone to the Fertile Crescent without other populations joining? Where did BT live if A is from central Africa? How can A not be a real Haplogroup when it’s descended from the same ancestor who is basically the father of all patriarchal lineages throughout the world? Did these ancient lineages share the same or similar facial feautures with Madows?

Ps last question thanks for the help much appreciated

 

[Apollo]

So a small geographically enclosed with Haplogroup BT left alone without other populations joining? Where did BT live if A is from central Africa? How can A not be a real Haplogroup when it’s descended from the same ancestor who is basically the father of all patriarchal lineages throughout the world

It is CT that were proto-OOA, not BT. All those super ancient lineages are generally from the area between Botswana and Ethiopia.

About A, it is not a conventional haplogroup, but a left-over group. With other haplogroups you can be assured that they are always closer to each other than to the other letters. A is the only exception where this is not the case.

 

[Advokaten]

How long have you studied this shit for? Your level of knowledge is quite astounding.

 

[Apollo]

How long have you studied this shit for? Your level of knowledge is quite astounding.

This stuff is incredibly simple. I have no formal ties to it. Purely self-taught.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

All the Dir Arab worshipers be dancing to the strings of the Oud after reading this thread kkkk

 

[Arabsiyawi]

All the Dir Arab worshipers be dancing to the strings of the Oud after reading this thread kkkk

Biggest L for Isaaqs lol.
Imagine taking pride in S.Ishaq, said to be a great Islamic figure in Northern Somali history, only to find out this nigga was born centuries prior to his said birth and probably worshipped the sun and moon (if not Jewish or Christian)

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Biggest L for Isaaqs lol.
Imagine taking pride in S.Ishaq, said to be a great Islamic figure in Northern Somali history, only to find out this nigga was born centuries prior to his said birth and probably worshipped the sun and moon (if not Jewish or Christian)

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Biggest L for Isaaqs lol.
Imagine taking pride in S.Ishaq, said to be a great Islamic figure in Northern Somali history, only to find out this nigga was born centuries prior to his said birth and probably worshipped the sun and moon (if not Jewish or Christian)

Here's hoping he at least worshiped a Abrahamic religion. Him worshipping pagan mecca gods is too much of a L for me to handle.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Biggest L for Isaaqs lol.
Imagine taking pride in S.Ishaq, said to be a great Islamic figure in Northern Somali history, only to find out this nigga was born centuries prior to his said birth and probably worshipped the sun and moon (if not Jewish or Christian)

Here's hoping he at least worshiped a Abrahamic religion. Him worshipping pagan mecca gods is too much of a L for me to handle.

3000 ybp nobody was following Abrahamic religions. Even the Jews had two gods, El and Yahweh.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

3000 ybp nobody was following Abrahamic religions. Even the Jews had two gods, El and Yahweh.

Damn, pagan mecca gods it is then.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Damn, pagan mecca gods it is then.

They might consider it better than Waaq worshipping pagans.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

They might consider it better than Waaq worshipping pagans.

At least the Waaqfimo worshiped one God.

 

[Prince Abubu]

At least the Waaqfimo worshiped one God.

You don't know that. Maybe Somalis worshipped multiple gods, and Waaq was just the chief god. Doesn't matter anyway.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

You don't know that. Maybe Somalis worshipped multiple gods, and Waaq was just the chief god. Doesn't matter anyway.

Waaq is still the word for God in Af Maay Maay it was only one god sxb.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Waaq is still the word for God in Af Maay Maay it was only one god sxb.

Allah and El both mean "The God" in Arabic and Hebrew, respectively. They still had a pantheon of minor gods and goddesses.

Zoroastrians were the first monotheistic religion group and worshipped Ahura Mazda as their chief god, but even they worshipped minor gods and spirits.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Religion isn't so black and white.