T-M184 Discussion

[Arabsiyawi]

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[EDsomali]

From Arabia, or through Arabia. How do you explain the complete absence of the subclade from most of Arabia, except a small section in the east? I think the subclade is probably an ancient mesopotamian one that found its way into Arabian tribes, then those tribes migrated into the northern Somali coast. What do you think? Or are you a proponent of the South Semitic hypothesis? I know this is all at the speculation level still, at least until further evidence can be obtained.

The origin could ultimately be from Mesopotamia considering Arabs and South Semites arrived from the Levant but its ultimate origin doesn't change the fact that the T came from Arabia.

Though I am interested to see what the J TMRCA is, if it is similar to T then we can say with certainty that T is from South Arabia to Somalis.

 

[EDsomali]

Is it an established fact that we (Somalis) only settled Northern Somalia 2k ybp ?

Pretty much, there was a rapid expansion by Proto-Somalis both North and South from the homeland in the Dawa tributaries after a brief Humid period 2000-2500 years ago.

The earliest evidence I can find it 2100bp cave paintings in Sanaag most certainly done by Somalis.

 

[Prince Abubu]

The earliest evidence I can find it 2100bp cave paintings in Sanaag most certainly done by Somalis.

Where?

 

[EDsomali]

Where?

Karin Heegan in Sanaag.

 

[Arabsiyawi]

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[Prince Abubu]

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[EDsomali]

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Kkk he wants you to pay for their full Y test.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Kkk he wants you to pay for their full Y test.

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[Arabsiyawi]

Damnnnn I read it back and forth after receiving my FB notification, but I thought this guy wouldn’t be so damn wild loool

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[Timo Jareer and proud]

What type of f*ck shit. They expect our dusty Nomadic asses to pay for KUWAITI full y chromosome DNA tests waa get da hell outta here doqon weyn uffff. These people wipe their asses with thousand dollar bills yet can't pay 500 for a test smh

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

@Cuneo do you think "Koshin" ould be another South Semitic loan word? It has the K-H-N central Semetic root word like you mentioned earlier for Kaahin.

 

[Cuneo]

@Cuneo do you think "Koshin" ould be another South Semitic loan word? It has the K-H-N central Semetic root word like you mentioned earlier for Kaahin.

I don’t think so. I think Kooshin is an old Somali name but Kaahin is definitely Semitic.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

I don’t think so. I think Kooshin is an old Somali name but Kaahin is definitely Semitic.

You know any other words in Somali that are non Islamic Semitic in origin that aren't wadaad and kaahin?

 

[Cuneo]

You know any other words in Somali that are non Islamic Semitic in origin that aren't wadaad and kaahin?

Not that I can think of right now.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Probably since Habesha land was next door

Btw I don't think, if the T-Y44591 was indeed a South Arabian, they were Jewish at all . The Himyarites converted to Judaism in 380CE. I think that would've been well after our ancestor got to Somaliland. I don't know about the orthodox Christian thing though, I've not seen any evidence.

What do you guys think?
@EDsomali @Cuneo

 

[fox]

Btw I don't think, if the T-Y44591 was indeed a South Arabian, they were Jewish at all . The Himyarites converted to Judaism in 380CE. I think that would've been well after our ancestor got to Somaliland. I don't know about the orthodox Christian thing though, I've not seen any evidence.

What do you guys think?
@EDsomali @Cuneo

Now that you've found your heritage i think you should go and see the South Arabia exhibit at the British Museum.

 

[Arabsiyawi]

Now that you've found your heritage i think you should go and see the South Arabia exhibit at the British Museum.

Lmaooooo

 

[Prince Abubu]

In a historical context, when the Sabean civilization disintegrated after the collapse of the Ma’rib dam, there was a dispersal of people from that area. Somali T carriers could be descendants of these Sabeans or they could be the descendants of a lost civilization like ‘Ad (Iram) and Thamud. The latter theory was established by Esteban, the Spanish geneticist and HG-T connoisseur.

Question regarding this. The breach of the Marib Dam happened in the 6th century CE. The TMRCA for T-Y44591 is 3000 ybp, about 1000BCE. Unless I'm misunderstanding how TMRCA means, doesn't that mean there's a 1600 year gap in your theory?

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Question regarding this. The breach of the Marib Dam happened in the 6th century CE. The TMRCA for T-Y44591 is 3000 ybp, about 1000BCE. Unless I'm misunderstanding how TMRCA means, doesn't that mean there's a 1600 year gap in your theory?

Dir has its own subclade mutation that is 1900 ybp. Still way off from the dam collapsing tho