Somalis are the most hated group in Europe

[AussieHustler]

If you're going to have multiple children at least have the means to provide for them. You can't have 7 kids while still collecting welfare money that's just selfish.

Kim

In Australia, many Niqabi/jilbabi and hijabi Somali mums claim that there is no father to their newly born child (kind of one night stand product) and when their case workers at the welfare office offer them a handshake, they decline by reminding them Muslim women are banned from such an act. Is touching a "non-mahram" person worse than zina? Yes, because the Salafi Imams taught these women that stealing from the "Kafir" is halal and under Taqiya, a Muslim is allowed to lie under such circumstances. The welfare office staff call them "Hijabi hoes".

Welfare money are taxes collected from every sort of people and businesses that Islam forbids a Muslim receiving from; such as tax collected from prostitution, casinos, bars, alcohol manufacturers, banks and businesses that deal with interest rates, movies and yet, it's hard to find a single Muslim person (in our community) who will abstain from it on religious grounds. Being a "good" Muslim in a western welfare state is a charade. So, the Imams have to become creative and develop a justification because they too are dependent and funded by these women scamming or receiving such payments.

 

[random12345]

Kim

In Australia, many Niqabi/jilbabi and hijabi Somali mums claim that there is no father to their newly born child (kind of one night stand product) and when their case workers at the welfare office offer them a handshake, they decline by reminding them Muslim women are banned from such an act. Is touching a "non-mahram" person worse than zina? Yes, because the Salafi Imams taught these women that stealing from the "Kafir" is halal and under Taqiya, a Muslim is allowed to lie under such circumstances. The welfare office staff call them "Hijabi hoes".

Welfare money are taxes collected from every sort of people and businesses that Islam forbids a Muslim receiving from; such as tax collected from prostitution, casinos, bars, alcohol manufacturers, banks and businesses that deal with interest rates, movies and yet, it's hard to find a single Muslim person (in our community) who will abstain from it on religious grounds. Being a "good" Muslim in a western welfare state is a charade. So, the Imams have to become creative and develop a justification because they too are dependent and funded by these women scamming or receiving such payments.

Seems that you don't even know what Taqiya is.

 

[AussieHustler]

random

explain to me mate.

 

[random12345]

Taken from Islamqa:
" it is something to be resorted to when one has no other choice, and it is an extraordinary measure to be used only in times of extreme necessity. "

Unless you talk of the Shia, they practice Taqiya in the sense that if you're not doing it, it's basically not praying.
"They – meaning the Imami Shi‘ah – regard it as one of the basic principles of their religion, and they regard the one who does not practise it as being the same as one who does not pray. It is obligatory and it is not permissible to refrain from it until the hidden imam appears. Whoever refrains from it before he appears has gone beyond the pale of the religion of Allah, may He be exalted, and the religion of the Imamis."

Salafi Imams practising Shi'a beliefs? The very one the not only debunked but criticise? Either you're lying or the extreme right sites are getting to you.

"Taqiyyah means saying something contrary to what one believes, for fear of harm that may befall him if he does not resort to taqiyyah.". That's how Sunnis see it. I doubt the people in the office will begin to beat them if they aren't eligible for welfare.

 

[Tramo]

Kim

In Australia, many Niqabi/jilbabi and hijabi Somali mums claim that there is no father to their newly born child (kind of one night stand product) and when their case workers at the welfare office offer them a handshake, they decline by reminding them Muslim women are banned from such an act. Is touching a "non-mahram" person worse than zina? Yes, because the Salafi Imams taught these women that stealing from the "Kafir" is halal and under Taqiya, a Muslim is allowed to lie under such circumstances. The welfare office staff call them "Hijabi hoes".

Welfare money are taxes collected from every sort of people and businesses that Islam forbids a Muslim receiving from; such as tax collected from prostitution, casinos, bars, alcohol manufacturers, banks and businesses that deal with interest rates, movies and yet, it's hard to find a single Muslim person (in our community) who will abstain from it on religious grounds. Being a "good" Muslim in a western welfare state is a charade. So, the Imams have to become creative and develop a justification because they too are dependent and funded by these women scamming or receiving such payments.

be honest, did u even know what taqiyya was when u were a Muslim?

how are u gonna disparage ur own kin using insidious lies created by cadaans to demonize them? isku xishood fam

 

[AussieHustler]

Tramo & Random

Since your main disagreement of what I stated above is Taqiya, let's agree that it means deception and then, will I prove to you that it is enshrined in the Koran. Islamqa is a Saudi website. They became revisionist neo-salafis since they parted ways with Osama. Should we open the Koran and hadith books.

I don't disparage anyone let alone my relatives, I'm just documenting our journey for future generations.

 

[random12345]

Tramo & Random

Since your main disagreement of what I stated above is Taqiya, let's agree that it means deception and then, will I prove to you that it is enshrined in the Koran. Islamqa is a Saudi website. They became revisionist neo-salafis since they parted ways with Osama. Should we open the Koran and hadith books.

Bring to us what Sunni schools of thought perceive Taqiya as. And yes, the Quran or Hadith will do.

 

[random12345]

"
al-Mawsoo‘ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 13/186-187

The view of the majority of Sunni scholars is that the basic principle concerning taqiyyah is that it is disallowed; it is only permissible in the case of necessity, and is permitted only to the extent that is necessary. Al-Qurtubi said: The basic principle concerning taqiyyah is that it is not permissible unless there is the fear of death, severing of a limb or extreme harm, and there is no report to the contrary as far as we know, except that which was reported from Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal among the Sahaabah and from Mujaahid among the Taabi‘een. End quote. "

 

[AussieHustler]

random

Taqiya is deception, read again your Qura'aan and Hadiths and learn Muslims are sanctioned to practice to "preserve their lives". Then only, can we debate about this deception. Do your own studies about your religion.

How will those women and their Imams survive in the West without deceiving the "gaalo"?

 

[Jujuman]

random

Taqiya is deception, read again your Qura'aan and Hadiths and learn Muslims are sanctioned to practice to "preserve their lives". Then only, can we debate about this deception. Do your own studies about your religion.

How will those women and their Imams survive in the West without deceiving the "gaalo"?

To be fair, taqiyya is associated with Shia Islam rather than Sunni. It's a common misconception non-Muslims have (alongside 72 virgins)

 

[random12345]

random

Taqiya is deception, read again your Qura'aan and Hadiths and learn Muslims are sanctioned to practice to "preserve their lives". Then only, can we debate about this deception. Do your own studies about your religion.

How will those women and their Imams survive in the West without deceiving the "gaalo"?

You're pathetic, I gave you a bunch of quotes showing that this is forbidden and isn't allowed to happen. It's haram, a Shia practice(that's the closest you can get, except we aren't Shia). Regurgitating the same debunked point doesn't help.

Read it again:
"
al-Mawsoo‘ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 13/186-187

The view of the majority of Sunni scholars is that the basic principle concerning taqiyyah is that it is disallowed; it is only permissible in the case of necessity, and is permitted only to the extent that is necessary. Al-Qurtubi said: The basic principle concerning taqiyyah is that it is not permissible unless there is the fear of death, severing of a limb or extreme harm, and there is no report to the contrary as far as we know, except that which was reported from Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal among the Sahaabah and from Mujaahid among the Taabi‘een. End quote. "

 

[Burhan]

Thanks to all of you who justly stood up for our people in here.

We should never trade anything for being Somalis and to be identified as such. It is the best fight you can put up against racism and ignorance.

God bless you guys in here who stood up for our beautiful society.

 

[AussieHustler]

You're pathetic, I gave you a bunch of quotes showing that this is forbidden and isn't allowed to happen. It's haram, a Shia practice(that's the closest you can get, except we aren't Shia). Regurgitating the same debunked point doesn't help.

Read it again:
"
al-Mawsoo‘ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 13/186-187

The view of the majority of Sunni scholars is that the basic principle concerning taqiyyah is that it is disallowed; it is only permissible in the case of necessity, and is permitted only to the extent that is necessary. Al-Qurtubi said: The basic principle concerning taqiyyah is that it is not permissible unless there is the fear of death, severing of a limb or extreme harm, and there is no report to the contrary as far as we know, except that which was reported from Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal among the Sahaabah and from Mujaahid among the Taabi‘een. End quote. "

Random

you are repeating the interpretation these sura's and hadiths and justifying it on the "principle on necessity". Why is this case not "necessity"? any other income for these women?

 

[Burhan]

Random

you are repeating the interpretation these sura's and hadiths and justifying it on the "principle on necessity". Why is this case not "necessity"? any other income for these women?

Seems to me you are interested in arguments for the sake of argument.

 

[random12345]

Random

you are repeating the interpretation these sura's and hadiths and justifying it on the "principle on necessity". Why is this case not "necessity"? any other income for these women?

"
Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief... except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah , and for them is a great punishment;"

I'm sorry, I'm not getting your point? What tells Muslims to lie about anything? Your just making yourself look dumber at this point. Accept that you didn't know anything on this subject and just saw it mentioned by anti migrants on youtube.

Oh my, "
Why is this case not "necessity"? any other income for these women?"

Let's go through what you said:
"Yes, because the Salafi Imams taught these women that stealing from the "Kafir" is halal and under Taqiya, a Muslim is allowed to lie under such circumstances. The welfare office staff call them "Hijabi hoes"."


Basically, they can lie under the circumstance of lying to the staff? Ridiculous. What you named is (and this is me being very generous) a shia practice. Somalis aren't Shia. Tell me, what exactly is this circumstance? I'll tell you this, my mother is single and has 4 children. She's a careworker for the old. Though lets say they have small children and are single, then they are eligible. That isn't what you're saying though. You're saying that not only do they lie due to them thinking it's halal(proved it isn't), but steal too? Stealing from anyone gets you a missing hand.

 

[Burhan]

To be fair, taqiyya is associated with Shia Islam rather than Sunni. It's a common misconception non-Muslims have (alongside 72 virgins)

You are setting a good example bro. Good for you. Being fair does not require an allegiance to Islam but is or should be a human etiquette/character. I am impressed.

 

[random12345]

"koran", if you're Somali then please claim Afar or something. You're trying to act like these Europeans that you even begin spelling like them too. You say "moslem" too?

 

[dhegdheer]

TL;dr - Don't throw stones in glass houses. Somali women are just as much a responsible for the negative image as Somali men.

Sigh

The fact that y'all put twitter tantrums/jilbaabs on the same level as actual criminal behaviour is unnerving

This is what I meant when I said u all were lost causes...

 

[Burhan]

Allah provides kids there's people who are married for many years and can't have children it's in Allah's hand no man nor woman can dictate it and to do so is unislamic.

btw, you can opt not to in your wife and that is equivalent to birth control. So technically, spacing birth is not forbidden. Most women don't get pregnant when they are breast feeding babies. Two year minimum is important. And personally it is best for Somalis to not have kids in the west for the sheer uselessness of their children anyway. Having 8 kids is a disaster.

 

[McLovin]

The Oran fatwa was a responsum fatwa, or an Islamic legal opinion, issued in 1504 to address the crisis that occurred when Muslims in the Crown of Castile (now part of Spain) were forced to convert to Christianity in 1500–1502.[1] The fatwa sets out detailed relaxations of the sharia (Islamic law) requirements, allowing the Muslims to conform outwardly to Christianity and perform acts that are ordinarily forbidden in Islamic law, when necessary to survive.[2] It includes relaxed instructions for fulfilling the ritual prayers, the ritual charity, and the ritual ablution, and recommendations when obliged to violate Islamic law, such as worshipping as Christians, committing blasphemy, and consuming pork and wine

Maybe taqqiya to secure benifit fraud is not so far fetched after all :siilaanyolaugh: