Somalis are an Ethnoreligious group

[Garaad diinle]

You're actually annoying me. You refuse to read what the image says. You're thinking only of ethnic fusion like Jews or Sikh. There are other classifications of what an ethnoreligious group is and Somalis fall under the category.

It's natural for you two to disagree since you're arguing from two different position. She as a non muslim argues from a secular perspective while you a muslim argue from a theistic position.

 

[Sedderr1234]

Are you dumb or something? Making us out to be some sort of ooga booga savages dancing around a campfire or some shit.
Somalis and all cushites worshipped waaq which was a monotheistic religion native to us before islam

Yeah I know we had waaq but how many Waaq followers are there in Somalia in 2023? Where is book of Waaqism? The only thing we know about waaq is that it was a monotheistic religion.

 

[Khaem]

Yeah I know we had waaq but how many Waaq followers are there in Somalia in 2023? Where is book of Waaqism? The only thing we know about waaq is that it was a monotheistic religion.

waaq still have 1 million followers in oromia.
There is no book of waaq like there isn't some book on roman gods or Zoroastrianism in iran.
the religious books are a feature of the Abrahamic and some other religons such as hinduism with their Veda, most religions were oral

 

[JackieBurkhart]

It's natural for you two to disagree since you're arguing from two different position. She as a non muslim argues from a secular perspective while you a muslim argue from a theistic position.

Uh, @Xoxoxo is a Muslim. I don't think you want to say that.

 

[Garaad diinle]

Uh, @Xoxoxo is a Muslim. I don't think you want to say that.

I think she said it herself in another thread. Ask her she'll tell you.

 

[Xoxoxo]

It's natural for you two to disagree since you're arguing from two different position. She as a non muslim argues from a secular perspective while you a muslim argue from a theistic position.

Please my ancestors brought Islam over to Somalia so you should kiss their feet and sit this one out if it wasn’t for my people a huge chunk of Somalia would have eventually converted to Christianity and became similar to the Habesha’s or follow that old ass pagan religion.

I simply said the truth, Somalis never had any influence on Islam, not in the old days and neither in our modern times. What makes you guys think you’re special then the rest of the Islamic population that isn’t delusional?

 

[Xoxoxo]

I think she said it herself in another thread. Ask her she'll tell you.

I can’t seem to remember it lol, I might have joked around but the only criticism I had was that I didn’t believe in the punishment of apostates, I’m heavily against it. Other then that I never insulted Islam nor Allah and his prophets (pbut)

 

[Garaad diinle]

I can’t seem to remember it lol, I might have joked around but the only criticism I had was that I didn’t believe in the punishment of apostates, I’m heavily against it. Other then that I never insulted Islam nor Allah and his prophets (pbut)

Oh so you're muslim? Well in that case excuse my previous post in that case. When you say my people brought islam i assume you're half arab, i'm i right?

 

[Xoxoxo]

Oh so you're muslim? Well in that case excuse my previous in that case.

Yes it’s very obvious that I am Muslim

 

[Al hashimi]

somalis are not an ethnoreligious group to a degree. Islam is so entwined with somali culture that one who is not a muslim is marginalised and becomes an outcast. same with ethiopian christians

 

[DubatDiaries]

We aren’t smart pants.

habeshas for example can maybe be considered Ethno-religious since they are one off the oldest followers of Christianity and actually had influence on it, but guess what? They don’t consider themselves it and you even have Habeshas who are Muslims. We didn’t have any influence on Islam, Islam had influence on us and people started to convert in the 7th century and almost the whole population was fully Islamic by the Middle Ages.

What influence do habeshas have on Christianity? Do you mean their own sect?

 

[Khaem]

What influence do habeshas have on Christianity? Do you mean their own sect?

habeshas just had their own sect of christianity they made early on into the religion

 

[Xoxoxo]

What influence do habeshas have on Christianity? Do you mean their own sect?

Christianity there is intertwined within the culture & the way of living, so deep that it is completely different to us. Ethiopians have been Christian’s for 1700+ years. Not only does Ethiopia hold one off the oldest churches & bibles, it was one off the earliest countries to convert to Christianity & also have an influence on the Protestant reformation all thanks to a Christian religious leader who influenced the Protestant Martin Luther.

 

[DubatDiaries]

habeshas just had their own sect of christianity they made early on into the religion

Oh, I’m familiar with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. I wouldn’t say they “influenced” Christian doctrine- they are still in communion with the 7 other Orthodox Churches. I also don’t see how they have any influence on “greater Christianity”
It’s basically the same Christianity just in ge’ez script and habesha culture. How different is that from Somalis and Islam? Minus the forming of your own religious “church” with a figurehead since it is not allowed.
That was what I was confused about…

 

[Khaem]

Oh, I’m familiar with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. I wouldn’t say they “influenced” Christian doctrine- they are still in communion with the 7 other Orthodox Churches. I also don’t see how they have any influence on “greater Christianity”
It’s basically the same Christianity just in ge’ez script and habesha culture. How different is that from Somalis and Islam? Minus the forming of your own religious “church” with a figurehead since it is not allowed.
That was what I was confused about…

It's cool, the habesha formed their identity around being orthodox chritian just like we did for islam.
My ancestors were some of the earliest muslims in the world and it has become an crucial part of our identity so i don't know why @Xoxoxo is claiming that we aren't ethno-religous but ethiopians are.

Christianity there is intertwined within the culture & the way of living, so deep that it is completely different to us. Ethiopians have been Christian’s for 1700+ years. Not only does Ethiopia hold one off the oldest churches & bibles, it was one off the earliest countries to convert to Christianity & also have an influence on the Protestant reformation all thanks to a Christian religious leader who influenced the Protestant Martin Luther.

Christianity there is intertwined within the culture & the way of living

Isn't Islam intertwined within somali culture and way of living?

Ethiopians have been Christian’s for 1700+ years

And my ancestors have been muslim for 1400 years whats the problem with that

Not only does Ethiopia hold one off the oldest churches & bibles, it was one off the earliest countries to convert to Christianity

We ciise were one of the first muslims in the world and we have one of the oldest mosques in the world with two Qiblahs

also have an influence on the Protestant reformation all thanks to a Christian religious leader who influenced the Protestant Martin Luther.

somali cities like Zelia were big centres of islamic study and so was harar which had a large somali population including somali islamic scholars

 

[Arkan]

Are you dumb or something? Making us out to be some sort of ooga booga savages dancing around a campfire or some shit.
Somalis and all cushites worshipped waaq which was a monotheistic religion native to us before islam

I'm sorry but not all of our ancestors worshipped "Waaq". Don't collectively put us in the same box.

 

[Khaem]

I'm sorry but not all of our ancestors worshipped "Waaq". Don't collectively put us in the same box.

Then what did they worship before islam? Sticks?

 

[Xoxoxo]

Oh, I’m familiar with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. I wouldn’t say they “influenced” Christian doctrine- they are still in communion with the 7 other Orthodox Churches. I also don’t see how they have any influence on “greater Christianity”
It’s basically the same Christianity just in ge’ez script and habesha culture. How different is that from Somalis and Islam? Minus the forming of your own religious “church” with a figurehead since it is not allowed.
That was what I was confused about…

Somalis didn’t have ANY influence on Islam, that’s the difference. Islam was brought over and

It's cool, the habesha formed their identity around being orthodox chritian just like we did for islam.
My ancestors were some of the earliest muslims in the world and it has become an crucial part of our identity so i don't know why @Xoxoxo is claiming that we aren't ethno-religous but ethiopians are.



Isn't Islam intertwined within somali culture and way of living?

And my ancestors have been muslim for 1400 years whats the problem with that

We ciise were one of the first muslims in the world and we have one of the oldest mosques in the world with two Qiblahs

somali cities like Zelia were big centres of islamic study and so was harar which had a large somali population including somali islamic scholars

islam exists for 1444 years, Islam was born in the year of 610,

“The start of Islam is marked in the year 610, following the first revelation to the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) at the age of 40. Muhammad (pbuh) and his followers spread the teachings of Islam throughout the Arabian peninsula.”

Somalis didn’t convert in the 600’s, the earliest converts, converted to Islam between the 7th-9th century (Its still debated on when Somalis started to convert) and Somalia as a whole fully converted around the Middle Ages (10th century/12th century), so on average Somalia isn’t even affiliated with Islam for 1000 years.


unlike the Habesha’s who’ve had some influence on Christianity, Somalis had non. The Turks, Northern Africans & Persians had historical & cultural impacts on Islam but Somalia is far away from it. It’s similar to Indonesia, a major Islamic population with no direct influence on Islam, Islam influences Somalia, not the other way around.

 

[Arkan]

Then what did they worship before islam? Sticks?

No, but I'm sure as heck all of ours ancestors didn't worship Waaq.

I've read some article about Abrahmic religions been spread (pre-Islam) so there's a possibility some of them worshiped those religions.

 

[Xoxoxo]

No, but I'm sure as heck all of ours ancestors didn't worship Waaq.

I've read some article about Abrahmic religions been spread (pre-Islam) so there's a possibility some of them worshiped those religions.

Yes you had a few Christian communities & a Jewish community,

But I’m sorry to burst your bubble but a majority were just pagan worshippers. They rejected the gospel and the Torah as a whole group beforehand