JackieBurkhart
The years don't matter, the life in those years do
You're getting on my nerves, you nacas.
Somalis and Divorce, Let’s discuss.
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You're getting on my nerves, you nacas.
Oh. This? No, it's not true. Dunno where you got that Dadaab claim. It's a stat from the old debunked charlatan Richard Lynn's paper. They didn't test any Somalis whatsoever and just used a malnourished Ethiopian highland village as a stand-in. His paper is retarded, like the IQ claim, and completely debunked. He literally made up the IQ stats of many of the countries. There has been pretty much no IQ testing across Somalia and likely never will be anytime soon.
People like Richard Lynn who spearheaded shit like this are actual charlatans who have been debunked even by other racists:
Devastating Criticism of Richard Lynn
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They're also complete morons who ignore things like the Flynn Effect which shows that as nations develop and industralize their IQs gradually increase and they all tend to taper off in the same range:
African IQ and the Flynn Effect
Average IQ in Sub-Saharan Africa is about 20 points lower than average IQ in Europe, and not the 30+ points proposed by Richard Lynn and his...
You know much of China had a 80-90 IQ in the past?
Yeah... also, Lynn and his clowns literally made things up in the case of most or a lot of countries. That "69" IQ for Somalis? It's fake. There were never any tests at all of Somalis or Somalia. He just made it up based on a malnourished, rural Ethiopian village averaged with some similar population in Kenya or something like that.
Of course I shouldn't have had to tell you all this. What kind of waste of human life would actually hate themselves and their own people enough to believe this sophist filth?
Yes and you’re a troll. Get out of here.
OG’s beating their wives on their wedding night in the 19th century.I'm not reading through 5 pages. Is what true?
You were alluding it was an issue of some sort. We should go back to the topic of divorce. We all know when it happens, it almost never happens because of DV but because of silly reasons for the most part. There needs to be a discussion on the immaturity, refusing to collaborate, crave for independence, victimhood, and drama seeking culture.
JackieBurkhart
The years don't matter, the life in those years do
I'm not reading through 5 pages. Is what true?
Ogaden men being domestically violent towards their wives pre 20th century.
yasmeen
summer break 7/1-?
The self hate is real.
It’s not true. It was the combined measurements of Kenyan refugee camps and Ethiopians. And to top it off, Somalia wasn’t the only country that was misrepresented. The man behind the data has long since been debunked for his questionable measurements (the data could not be replicated and verified by his colleagues) and flagrant racism. He has been stripped of his credentials for a reason.
But let’s pretend this number is true… humor me for a second…how is a camp full of malnourished illiterate refugees representative of the average IQ in our community?
The quality of their lives is low, so why would you peddle race science whilst knowing their circumstances?
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Do you have a source?
Burton as per usual. I thought he was lying, but i found it strange that he specifically mentions OGs and so do Somalis.
Also, Afars have a similar ritual as well.
Hamzza
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Wallahi I'm not trolling. You're so out of touch with reality. And it can't be considered violence if the wife approves & appreciates.
Anyone who actually believes this, whether Somali or ajanabi, has essentially proven that THEY are a 68 IQ-er. Do people not understand how non-functional and borderline retarded 68 is? There would be absolutely no Somalis graduating from highschool, getting college degrees or cases like Ilhan Omar or the Harvard and Yale grads we see being thrown around here as exemplars of the community. Even as outliers within our community their IQ would be what... 80-90 tops? Hell, even types like Apollo, @The alchemist and @Nak-Muay-Femeu would be impossibilities. The level of stupidity self-hatred produces...
Prince of HS
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Don’t worry guys I know the 68 iq is bogus I’m just pulling on legs.
Hamzza
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I literally know of two cases in my own family. Once got a divorce and her whole community helped her. The other stayed after her husband was threatened with violence by her mahrams. He never touched her physically since. Outsiders wouldn’t know this, unless she said it. That’s my point. You have no idea what happens behind closed doors. Do I believe that DV is low amongst Somalis? Compared to other groups yes, but to suggest it hardly happens is a stretch especially as of late in the diaspora there has been multiple and I mean multiple cases of men killing their wives. Two in London during lockdown. One was even on the dailymail.
I specially said it happens in every community not that it’s a particularly big issue in the Somali community. Only a delusional person would argue that DV doesn’t happen in the Somali community. It does and you don’t know what happens behind closed doors. But we can say for certain is that DV isn’t tolerated in the Somali community.
𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈
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This I found more troubling. Could not elaborate, could you?
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The stereotype, as I understood it, [is] of people of Somali Galbeed, and not specifically of OG, but since OG are the majority, the stereotype stuck. Every region has some sort of stereotype.
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I find when people speak of divorce, domestic violence etc., they generally are speaking of their own families, and are dangerously generalising.
I have no data, no statistics. Just the troubles I’ve observed with some of the women I know especially the older gen 45-65. Some of the things they have said about their marriages have sounded like straight mental abuse. Their husbands have never hurt them physically, but emotional neglect, cruel words, blatant preference for the 2nd wife and even flaunting it to cause emotional distress and abandonment ect have been what I’ve seen and heard.
Like I said, I have no data.
I know what you're mentioning:
It's an isolated singular ritual and he says nothing about domestic abuse being some regular occurrence within a marriage after. In fact:
There's literally no punishment like Desi honor-killing for a woman running off with another man.
Walaashay, no offense but you often come off to me as a negative nancy. Always shouting at the roof tops about how horrible Somalis are in terms of love, sex, marriage and bla bla and usually just citing anecdotes from within your family circle as though it applies to all of us. Domestic violence is not some normal and ingrained part of our culture. No one in my family ever did it. Even my father, a reer tuulo with a very back-home mentality, never so much as frowned at my mother. Nor did his father or his father before him touch any of their wives.
And the same applies across the vast majority of families I grew up around and whenever there is a case of domestic violence within the community it is in no way condoned but believe whatever you wish.
Abdisamad
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With all due respect sir, I only mentioned the Ogaden situation when @Abdalla mentioned that some tribes engaged in it. I merely noted that it could have stemmed from that ritual and that it isn’t something modern day Somalis engage in. Firstly read the whole thread before jumping to conclusions. I was literally trying to make an educated guess as to why OGs have a stereotype when modern OGs aren’t any different to Somalis and don’t condone DV.I know what you're mentioning:
It's an isolated singular ritual and he says nothing about domestic abuse being some regular occurrence within a marriage after. In fact:
There's literally no punishment like Desi honor-killing for a woman running off with another man.
Walaashay, no offense but you often come off to me as a negative nancy. Always shouting at the roof tops about how horrible Somalis are in terms of love, sex, marriage and bla bla and usually just citing anecdotes from within your family circle as though it applies to all of us.
Again, if you read my posts properly you’d know that I said that Somalis as a culture do not tolerate DV and that mahrams would feel anger and would try and get their daughter/sister divorced from the culprit. I also mentioned that in Somali culture DV is seen as emasculating and unmanly. I merely pointed out that DV happens in every community and that what makes Somali unique isn’t that DV doesn’t happen, which isn’t true as it happens everywhere in the world but what makes them praiseworthy is lack of tolerance for it and their disgust.
I’ve not slandered Somalis at all. In fact, I was being praising them for it and said that attitude is a blessing.
That is literally what I was saying the whole
Time!!!
Please read my posts before commenting! You’ll find that you agree with me!
With all due respect sir, I only mentioned the Ogaden situation when @Abdalla mentioned that some tribes engaged in it. I merely noted that it could have stemmed from that ritual and that it isn’t something modern day Somalis engage in. Firstly read the whole thread before jumping to conclusions.
Again, if you read my posts properly you’d know that I said that Somalis as a culture do not tolerate DV and that mahrams would feel anger and would try and get their daughter/sister divorced from the culprit. I also mentioned that in Somali culture DV is seen as emasculating and unmanly. I merely pointed out that DV happens in every community and that what makes Somali unique isn’t that DV doesn’t happen, which isn’t true as it happens everywhere in the world is because of their lack of tolerance for it and their disgust.
I’ve not slandered Somalis at all. In fact, I was being praiseworthy.
That is literally what I was saying the whole
Time!!!
please read my posts before commenting! You’ll find that you agree with me!
I already said I couldn't read 5 pages, abaayo macantay. But I am sorry for strawmanning you as a result of my ignorance. Much apologies.
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