Somalia's general threatens Ethiopia; ''we will support ONLF, wage proxy war, etc''-uh oh!

[Abba Sadacha]

Greetings my Somali beoble! Regardless of what occurs back home, we are tied by religion and blood. Of course, I want Ethiopia, or future independent Oromia, to have access to the sea, but I am not quite sure if this is the correct way to go about it. While I understand why nationalist Somalis regard this as an attack on them collectively; I understand that SL has already considered themselves to be independent from the south, since the downfall of Ziad Barre.
So is war really the answer? Would this not further make SL want to be separate? Or? It's a very complicated matter.

 

[Zkr]

It will only lead to more expansion by Ethiopians in Somali lands. There are Somalis from SL who are against this too.

 

[Garaad diinle]

I knew you'd come out of your hole sooner or later. Hiding behind the veil of religion and "blood" would do you no good if we're talking about closeness i'd consider swahili muslims closer to me than the so called oromia region of whom non muslims make up roughly 60% of the population. Instead of talking about somali issue i'd rather look at more pressing matters in ethiopia such as high inflation, food security, corruption, insurgent and ethnic conflicts.

 

[The alchemist]

You're pushing it with the blood thing, waryaa.

 

[seoulmates]

why do oromos play this religion and blood card. you’re not my brother we have no connection. your people are majority kaffirs.

 

[seoulmates]

I knew you'd come out of your hole sooner or later. Hiding behind the veil of religion and "blood" would do you no good if we're talking about closeness i'd consider swahili muslims closer to me than the so called oromia region of whom non muslims make up roughly 60% of the population. Instead of talking about somali issue i'd rather look at more pressing matters in ethiopia such as high inflation, food security, corruption, insurgent and ethnic conflicts.

literally. these people are so pathetic muh ummah when they are nothing but bug eyed back stabbers who don’t focus on the issues plaguing their country but focus on expanding into somalia’s territory

 

[Keep it a boqol]

My guy this deal backfired on abiy completely. The big dogs US, UK and the international committee is against it. Ethiopia is officially BRICS which isn’t good for the western nations. The deal will most likely be void. war isn’t likely to happen but the morale booster this announcement made was not worth the squeeze in the long run. Huge poltical blunder

 

[Abba Sadacha]

I knew you'd come out of your hole sooner or later. Hiding behind the veil of religion and "blood" would do you no good if we're talking about closeness i'd consider swahili muslims closer to me than the so called oromia region of whom non muslims make up roughly 60% of the population. Instead of talking about somali issue i'd rather look at more pressing matters in ethiopia such as high inflation, food security, corruption, insurgent and ethnic conflicts.

Wanting to use a port and do business is is ''no good''? Can you elaborate please?
That's fine, you don't have to ''feel close,'' because the truth is, there would not be a SL if you guys got along with each other; SNM would've been made, and they wouldn't have sought to have their own state per the colonial borders. So, if that's the case, how can I expect you to like your neighbors?

 

[Abba Sadacha]

It will only lead to more expansion by Ethiopians in Somali lands. There are Somalis from SL who are against this too.

I am not for expansion, but all for business, trade and development. I do not want to see our people taking anyones lands, but we want to use zeila or berbera for import and export, is that such an evil thing when SL will benefit too?

 

[Zkr]

I am not for expansion, but all for business, trade and development. I do not want to see our people taking anyones lands, but we want to use zeila or berbera for import and export, is that such an evil thing when SL will benefit too?

You might not be but your government and arguably the majority of your people are.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

You might not be but your government and arguably the majority of your people are.

If there is development in Ethiopia proper, you will see reverse migration, eritreans and somalis will be going to addis/finfinne, and other major cities. ethiopians leave due to lack of jobs, same for somalis who leave somalia (amongst other reasons).

 

[Garaad diinle]

Can you elaborate please?

You take what your dealt and what you have is landlocked ethiopia. If you wanna trade you'd go through proper channels in accordance with international law simple.

That's fine, you don't have to ''feel close,'' because the truth is, there would not be a SL if you guys got along with each other; SNM would've been made, and they wouldn't have sought to have their own state per the colonial borders. So, if that's the case, how can I expect you to like your neighbors?

What's between us somalis is our business and at the end of the day wither it's north or south we're all somalis. Similarly you ought to look at your oromia region instead of that of others.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

You take what your dealt and what you have is landlocked ethiopia. If you wanna trade you'd go through proper channels in accordance with international law simple.


What's between us somalis is our business and at the end of the day wither it's north or south we're all somalis. Similarly you ought to look at your oromia region instead of that of others.

Okay, this is lawful because SL is a 'de facto state', and has been peaceful for decades, unlike the south, so them choosing to do business is their right...

That is true, but if those somalis are governing their land peacefully and effectively, and are willing to do business with us, or any other group; then what?? and let's not pretend that what happens in our neighboring countries don't effect us, or etc. that'd be naive. all of our countries have a history of backing each others rivals/rebels/etc, for example.

 

[Mudug_gyal]

Greetings my Somali beoble! Regardless of what occurs back home, we are tied by religion and blood. Of course, I want Ethiopia, or future independent Oromia, to have access to the sea, but I am not quite sure if this is the correct way to go about it. While I understand why nationalist Somalis regard this as an attack on them collectively; I understand that SL has already considered themselves to be independent from the south, since the downfall of Ziad Barre.
So is war really the answer? Would this not further make SL want to be separate? Or? It's a very complicated matter.

 

[Garaad diinle]

Okay, this is lawful because SL is a 'de facto state', and has been peaceful for decades, unlike the south, so them choosing to do business is their right...

You sure like your underhanded techniques don't you. Do i really need to explain the situation of northern somali to you? Ask chatgpt to explained to you as if you're five years old that'll do the trick.

and let's not pretend that what happens in our neighboring countries don't effect us, or etc. that'd be naive. all of our countries have a history of backing each others rivals/rebels/etc, for example.

I really couldn't care less what happens in oromia aside from the boarder area nor do i care about ethiopia at large so what up with this one sided obsession?

 

[Abba Sadacha]

You sure like your underhanded techniques don't you. Do i really need to explain the situation of northern somali to you? Ask chatgpt to explained to you as if you're five years old that'll do the trick.


I really couldn't care less what happens in oromia aside from the boarder area nor do i care about ethiopia at large so what up with this one sided obsession?

So if SL decides that it wants to run its own affairs, what are u going to do or say? Become another siad barre and try to impose unity on them by force? Then if that fails?


A repeat of this?

It's not about obsession, it's about business and development, while I would have advised Ethiopia to make it a trilateral discussion=between them, SL & the govt in mogadishu, the truth is SL has been operating as an independent entity for decades now, so what are we to do?
They are willing to let us use their port for cheaper than the wild prices djibouti charges, and in exchange, they will make a billion usd or so, plus farm land and other deals in Ethiopia; what's wrong with that?

 

[Three Moons]

I want Ethiopia, or future independent Oromia, to have access to the sea

How would a future independent Oromia have access to the sea if it doesn’t even border Somalia? Unless you consider Ogaden part of that future Oromo state?

No need to be passive-aggressive, flip-flopping between claims of brotherhood to indulging in schadenfreude with regards to our civil-strife, as if we are the only nation in history to succumb to a civil-war or have to deal with a segment seeking to secede. None of that justifies Abiy’s desperate attempt at deflection from the myriad of Yugoslavian problems currently unfolding within Ethiopia.

The odds facing Germany or Vietnam when it came to reunification in the past were infinitely greater than the current Somali situation. However, nobody is going to accept a landlocked country from acquiring an inch of land to set up a port that they in the future can claim as sovereign territory, forget about it. There are plenty of deepwater ports across Somalia, Djibouti, Kenya and Eritrea, to do business with, but Ethiopia has no interest in commercial relations, so spare us that angle.

 

[Macawisley]

I am not for expansion, but all for business, trade and development. I do not want to see our people taking anyones lands, but we want to use zeila or berbera for import and export, is that such an evil thing when SL will benefit too?

Use Djibouti port. The Somalis there have already done you a favour by letting you use their ports.

 

[Riftvalley]

These men aren’t Southerners and they would rather die than have Ethiopian soldiers in their towns.

 

[Garaad diinle]

So if SL decides that it wants to run its own affairs, what are u going to do or say? Become another siad barre and try to impose unity on them by force?

This clearly shows how little you know of the relation between northern and southern somalia.

It's not about obsession, it's about business and development, while I would have advised Ethiopia to make it a trilateral discussion=between them, SL & the govt in mogadishu, the truth is SL has been operating as an independent entity for decades now, so what are we to do?
They are willing to let us use their port for cheaper than the wild prices djibouti charges, and in exchange, they will make a billion usd or so, plus farm land and other deals in Ethiopia; what's wrong with that?

The dishonesty is quite clear. Ethiopia was beating the drums of war for quite a while and voicing their desire for ownership of a port on the red sea. Northern somalia is part of the federal republic of somalia in accordance to international law if you genuinely wanna discus trade relationship you'd go to the capital of the federal government of somalia.