SaMale
The only Somali in Arabia
Explain to me how those tuulos are different then 12 miles
Somalia's general threatens Ethiopia; ''we will support ONLF, wage proxy war, etc''-uh oh!
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Abdisamad
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There are around 4395 End troops stationed in southern as part of peace keeping African union forces.. They have no mandate to do anything else but be part of the peace keeping operations.. I cant believe some fools would use their presence to justify giving away land and sea to Ethiopia.. Atmis will be leaving soon as their mandate expires and the SNA will take over the peace keeping operations and the fight against Al shabaab terror organization.
Exactly. They love pointing out the few Ethiopian troops who are secluded to the south as a gotcha response to Ethiopians building a navy in Somaliland but the truth is that neither situation is comparable. Ethiopians are only in the south because the U.S. is funding them as part of a contract and will leave when its up, they have no obligation in staying and they do literally nothing but "peace keeping". Meanwhile, if the Ethiopians finish building their port in Somaliland, then they will never leave, they have no reason to. They will have officially set up a military presence in the red sea and will keep that at all costs. Imagine that, selling away your ancestors lands for a couple of bucks and a scrap of recognition (which you likely won't even get). Wallahi, Ahmed Gurey must be rolling in his grave this is extremely shameful.
Abdisamad
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Because as you already know Somalia has been a failed state, and the African union along side the international community has established amisom first and foremost to contain the lawlessness and terrorism threat by Al shabab, secondly to help and establish the weak government of Somalia. Now as things improve and Somalia becomes more capable of taking over the security operations, the ENDF troops who are part of the amisom/atmis peacekeeping troops will leave Somali soil.. You are a smart boy I know you can differentiate.
guys guys, I am not saying I agree with how this was brought about, or with annexing any lands, but I am okay with doing business with SL, import/export, especially if they are saying they will give us a better deal, in the long term, than Djibouti.
Regarding naval bases, I am not sure about that, let the govts and peoples of both countries negotiate if that works, I personally do think that other powers are at play here, perhaps powers that want to use ethiopia as a proxy in the red sea? time shall tell.
regarding going through somalia proper, for this; I understand that logically, that makes sense, but we have to ask ourselves: if they haven't governed SL since 1990/1991; who do we negotiate with? the govt that HAS been governing SL peacefully for decades, or?
let's be fair here. let's say abiy got HSM's approval, then went to hargeisa and they were angry and said ''no, since you didn't go through us, we say no''.. .then what?
and yes, I agree, abiy wants to distract from the massive problems at home, some say, this is even a plan to use berbera or SL for oromia if it goes its own way, then of course, the ogaden would secede too, and we'd border them and try to work out a mutually beneficial deal with them to use their roads to get to SL...etc....
Regarding naval bases, I am not sure about that, let the govts and peoples of both countries negotiate if that works, I personally do think that other powers are at play here, perhaps powers that want to use ethiopia as a proxy in the red sea? time shall tell.
regarding going through somalia proper, for this; I understand that logically, that makes sense, but we have to ask ourselves: if they haven't governed SL since 1990/1991; who do we negotiate with? the govt that HAS been governing SL peacefully for decades, or?
let's be fair here. let's say abiy got HSM's approval, then went to hargeisa and they were angry and said ''no, since you didn't go through us, we say no''.. .then what?
and yes, I agree, abiy wants to distract from the massive problems at home, some say, this is even a plan to use berbera or SL for oromia if it goes its own way, then of course, the ogaden would secede too, and we'd border them and try to work out a mutually beneficial deal with them to use their roads to get to SL...etc....
Remember how the Ethiopian government responded when Tigray regional state declared independence? That same Ethiopia is going to make deals with regional state within Somalia?
Lay down the pipe waryaa. If Ethiopia wants access to ports, they'll have to make major concessions for it, like allowing Ogaden to fully break away and join Somalia, and even then, Ethiopia would have to rent a port, and never own it even for a second.
@Admin could ubplease restrict this oromo from somalipolitics section .alot of us arent comfortable with hateful ideas. Maybe he can go to fdk section that wil suit him more.
The fano are Amahra supremacists, and they want to subjugate everyone. The funny thing is they milk state resources to do this, the entire government is ran by them, yet that isn't enough for them. If the west pulled the plug and allowed Ethiopia to descend into anarchy, amharas would be cooked. All Ethiopian groups know that they are the worst fighters. Before Abiye Ahmed brought out the big guns, amharas were really getting cooked inside amhara region by little Tigray lol. They are like that small dog that barks so loudly nonstop! I remember seeing Somali liyuu police deployed to fight Tigray record Amharas running away and mocking them for their fulaynimo.
God what I would give to see the west just let Africans settle their own problems.
if tigray would've won the war and administered themselves for decades, like SL did from Somalia; then no one would've been opposed to it, in fact, an oromo govt official told tigray that they can go if they want to. the thing is, they know they are better off with ethiopia, being a smaller region and potentially surrounded by enemies on all sides. same cannot be said for SL.
Where did they say Ethiopia would own it? In the future , ethiopia may not exist, many are saying this port deal is for a future independent oromia, so of course, if oromia goes, ogaden goes its own way too?!
ethiopia may indeed be in its last days, we'll see.
fano is fighting to control its own region first, many of course want to then move on to other regions. which would definitely lead to more conflicts if they enter oromia where they would not be welcomed.
Hotchick12
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Lol fano takes a city and when Ethiopia gets more soldiers they run away, they have been doing that the past few months. And that’s what olf does but they leave bodies behind when they run away
Ah I see. So like bandits rather than rebels.
Perhaps that's what we're missing. A decade to settle issues. I mean Europe had 1000s of years to get to this. The poor boarders make war inevitable and so we must redraw them, whether through diplomacy or force.
Can I ask why Oromos have never made a massive concerted effort to break away from Ethiopia given they have never once ruled Ethiopia like the Amhara and Tigray have? What's wrong with Oromos? Why are they so accepting of oppressions and the humiliation?
My point was that if Ethiopian central government doesn't entertain the idea of breakway regions, I don't know why it's hard for you to give Somalia the same courtesy.
FYI: Somaliland never went to war with the central government all on their own, they were part of many other groups, and in fact they did the least work and just got lucky when the south fell apart.
absolutely! 150 years ago, Japan was still practicing their ancient clan based systems where they had shoguns(qabiil leader) making all the decisions, until emperor Meiji put that to stop. Within 40 years of the Meiji restoration where he took powers from the clan leaders, and Japan adopted the strong central government parliamentary system, and industrialized, Japan first beat China in the early 1900s, then Russia sometime later, and even hit the U.S hard on home soil, the only country to do so, in just 60 years.
Somalia cannot become strong and prosper as long as there's even the slightest remnants of qabiil. We need to use whatever those who convinced our ancestors to drop their pagan religions in favor of Islam used, because how did they do it? Basically those guys gotta come back and tell them to drop qabiil all at once.
Maybe a massive nationwide sixir on Somalia, and on every Somali, I'd be in favor of this if we can wake up tomorrow completely having forgotten what qabiil is.
I don't think you got the memo
We are never gonna let you get access to our coast and that's final. @Abba Sadacha
We are never gonna let you get access to our coast and that's final. @Abba Sadacha
