Somali lady attacked with brick by madow thug after rejecting him

[Abdisamad]

You’re incredibly disingenuous. I came at them for saying she deserved it. Why would you pile on a woman who was bricked? If you want to twist my words, go ahead.

Holding someone accountable isn’t the same as saying they deserved to be hurt. Don’t use accountability to justify abuse you illiterate. Learn the meaning.

I don’t expect much from a perpetual victim, who wants an excuse to cry.

Never said she deserved.. Why are you resorting to personal attacks now? You just can't handle getting refuted on your bullcrap so ma ahan

 

[Abdisamad]

No one cares, you can choose who to defend and who not to. But my issue is mocking someone who just got bricked. That is it.

How did we even mock her, she put herself out there twerking all over the place? Again no accountability, it's all mens fault right? ..

 

[Angelina]

Never said she deserved.. Why are you resorting to personal attacks now? You just can't handle getting refuted on your bullcrap so ma ahan

I’m talking about the other posters. I think if you weren’t illiterate, you’d notice I was careful by saying ‘I came at them’ and not ‘I came at you’. I did that deliberately as I don’t remember you directly saying she deserved it.

I don’t have time to give you a grammar lesson or teach you to learn to comprehend.

 

[Abdisamad]

I’m talking about the other posters. I think if you weren’t illiterate, you’d notice I was careful by saying ‘I came at them’ and not ‘I came at you’. I did that deliberately as I don’t remember you directly saying she deserved it.

I don’t have time to give you a grammar lesson or teach you to learn to comprehend.

When you can't win the argument then you turn into an English grammar teacher.. Cheers walaleshey

 

[Angelina]

How did we even mock, she put herself out there twerking all over the place? Again no accountability, it's all mens fault right? ..

Don’t use the word ‘we’. You can argue that YOU didn’t. But you’ll make yourself look like a liar by using the word ‘we’

The posters are literally calling the madow man who did ‘noble’ and that it is probably her fault. A few have out and out said she deserved it.

Having accountability is not lying about what’s blatantly black white on this very thread. That’s why you can’t be taken seriously .

 

[Angelina]

When you can't win the argument then you turn into an English grammar teacher.. Cheers walaleshey

Nope. When someone clearly says ‘them’ whilst talking to YOU they are obviously not talking about you. It’s frustrating dealing with you wallahi as I’m at a loss as to either you’re a liar, can’t speak English or just unfortunately…dim.

 

[Fobnimo Till I Dhimo]

Wait until the madows find out she ain't FBAthey will all turn on her ass

 

[Abdisamad]

Nope. When someone clearly says ‘them’ whilst talking to YOU they are obviously not talking about you. It’s frustrating dealing with you wallahi as I’m at a loss as to either you’re a liar, can’t speak English or just unfortunately…dim.

Come down my lady, I ain't that bad. I understand you're frustrated about all the arguments you've been having with the guys.. For us men it's very simple, we'll help and defend any respectable lady, but if you put yourself out there as a dishonorable woman most guys wouldn't come to your aid or have sympathy with you.

 

[Angelina]

@Bundasliga

I don’t believe you’re a real individual.

So you’ll like a post saying that the madow guy is a victim. Which is blatantly mocking the fact that the girl got hit with a brick…

But hold on you also like Abdisamad’s post saying that no one mocked her?

Why are you a liar? Disingenuous individuals. Mental illness at this point.

 

[Three Moons]

But Somali women would also choose the Somali man whilst respecting his autonomy to marry who he wants. I don’t think I’d care if I was to see a Somali man with an Indian. I think I’d still save him over an ajnabi. But then again women are raised to see men as people who can carve out and self-determine what they want and that’s why I do believe it’s ownership. Women have been reduced to objects for millennia, and that belief has trickled down. So why would this be different

That is true, but I only wanted to point out that there was more at play than just ‘ownership’ and in the case of the latter, women are active participants of this traditional biological sentiment whenever they let their fathers ‘give them away’ at the isle, despite living in a modern society.

I think we’ll have to agree to disagree. Our value is typed to towing the line, whilst men’s values is tied to existing. The same Somali hooyo would be forgiving towards her gang banging son, but would disown her daughter for sexual misconduct.

A man’s value is tied to his usefulness. A son that studies, works, prays, helps out in the community, sends money back home has value. A son that gangbangs is useless, and the parents would prefer to forget his existence all together as long as he is in that lifestyle.

A woman’s value is based on her worth; which consists of her chastity, piousness, and societal standing, and only after all of that her ‘usefulness’ in all the areas that determine a man’s value. Three out of those four value indicators are gone forever once you lose them.

This is why conservative societies will welcome back a son that just came out of prison but not a daughter who was a prostitute.

Have you ever heard them say nonsense like ‘nin waa boqol, naag for Kontun’. Meaning a man’s 100 and a woman is 50. They use the Islamic inheritance system to say that men have more value when the reason for men inheriting more isn’t because of that. I heard it a lot from older women when I was back home.

Well, if a guy marries you, you have the right to demand a hefty meher, no questions asked. He cannot demand that from you. I’m not going to deny that there is misogyny in Somali society, it would be strange for a conservative society like that not to have some.

But in general I think women have more value from a societal standing and perception than men, and with great ramifications when they lose their value compared to a useless man.

Back home isn’t much better. A lot of the social issues minus gangbanging is there. High divorce rates, women crying about lack of provision and the list continues and even the ‘gangbanging’ comes into the form of qabil wars and looting each others lands.

Women used to divorce and get married again regularly, especially in prewar Somalia, unlike the vast majority of the Islamic world where a divorced woman is almost condemned to remain alone for the rest of her life, so that aspect of Somali culture has always been there. The rest would be rectified by a strong government providing services and security, but that is something that is actively prevented on a larger geopolitical scale, so I won’t get into that.

 

[Mozart]

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The only people who made this thread about Somali men are the guys.

Some of the guys here have an asinine obsession with random Somali women and look at everything with a chip on their shoulder. ‘Wouldn’t have happened if she was with a Somali guy’ , ‘We don’t want you if you leave our community’ lol no one has asked any of these guys to defend her. They just see an opportunity to score points which makes them look foolish.

 

[Abdirazaq]

But Somali women would also choose the Somali man whilst respecting his autonomy to marry who he wants. I don’t think I’d care if I was to see a Somali man with an Indian. I think I’d still save him over an ajnabi. But then again women are raised to see men as people who can carve out and self-determine what they want and that’s why I do believe it’s ownership. Women have been reduced to objects for millennia, and that belief has trickled down. So why would this be different

Doesn’t this tie back into the idea that women are seen as more inherently valuable than men in communities, especially conservative ones? Wouldn’t this lead to men in that community upholding the value of their women, while this can be looked at from a constricting/possessive or objectifying sense it also places women in a pedestal in terms of their worth to the community, in other words their humanity is being cared for more and is being seen as more worthy to protect. These are just two ways of looking at the same situation, one with a positive lense and the other with a negative lense.

I think we’ll have to agree to disagree. Our value is typed to towing the line, whilst men’s values is tied to existing. The same Somali hooyo would be forgiving towards her gang banging son, but would disown her daughter for sexual misconduct. Also, women’s honor is connected to that of her male family members, it isn’t even her own. The reason why a woman is protected from certain activities is because it’s a stain on her father and brother. Example up until recently, by law men who r-word women could avail punishment if they marry their victim. That law was about protecting male family members. It was Alhamdulliah recently abolished in Somalia. So how are women valued and protected for them, if it is seen as acceptable to force her to be with her abuser….her tormenter, just to save the face of the men in her family? Women have no inheritant value under that system. It’s ownership.

Also, have you ever heard them say nonsense like ‘nin waa boqol, naag for Kontun’. Meaning a man’s 100 and a woman is 50. They use the Islamic inheritance system to say that men have more value when the reason for men inheriting more isn’t because of that. I heard it a lot from older women when I was back home.

While it’s true that a women’s value is tied to towing the line, it’s also inherent in nature, from a young age girls are more protected from dangerous situations than young boys in general. I think you’re absolutely wrong about men value being tied to simply existing, it’s actually females whose value is tied to existing which why they’re restricted in the first place as that value becomes lower overtime through bad choices

On the other hand it’s actually males who’s value is tied less to existing and more to generating and providing, a man who doesn’t make any money or doesn’t provide in some way for their family/community in any sense is seen as worthless while a women who sleeps around and does ratchet stuff loses their value overtime.

This is why Somali Hooyo’s reject their daughters for their sexual misconduct, they’re losing their value of inherently existing as female, while they know there’s a chance for their sons to reform themselves and actually become someone people care about in the future because nobody cares about her gangbanger son which allows the mother to fix the situation.

It really isn’t sunshine and roses to live the life of a man in society and while you already told me that you’d like to see me fit the shoes of a women to see how their life is like, it seems like you think men just have it all and there’s no negatives to being a man, I think it would actually be more beneficial to see you fit the shoes of a man and walk in the world of an avarage man, you’ll quickly realise is isn’t as great as you think it is.

Please look outside yourself and see that you aren’t the only one constantly suffering the most due to your identities. Women have it tough in the world and the avarage women suffers more than the avarage man but understand that women hold certain privileges that men most men couldn’t hope to attain and society in general are blind to the suffering men face and that these issues aren’t the same issues women face.

 

[Angelina]

That is true, but I only wanted to point out that there was more at play than just ‘ownership’ and in the case of the latter women are active participants of this traditional biological sentiment whenever they let their fathers ‘give them away’ at the isle, despite living in a modern society



A man’s value is tied to his usefulness. A son that studies, works, prays, helps out in the community, sends money back home has value. A son that gangbangs is useless, and the parents would prefer to forget his existence all together as long as he is in that lifestyle.

They’re not forgotten about at all. Men who don’t provide their families and sit in marfish chewing qaat aren’t reprimanded. What’s their value? How do they help their people? No one forgets their existence and in many cases they’re married. We’d have to pretend a lot of things don’t exist in our community in order for that to real.

You’re also forgetting that gang-banging sons are often taken back home to get their pic of a bride. Women in our community back home are indeed rehabilitation centers.

This is the issue you’d have to forget about all of these things happening in our community in order for your point of make sense.

A woman’s value is based on her worth; which consists of her chastity, piousness, and societal standing, and after all of that her ‘usefulness’ in all the areas that determine a man’s value. Three of out of those four value indicators are gone forever once you lose them.

That’s not her worth. Women are so much more than just their down below. If you tie her worth to that, then r-word victims are worthless and we see it with old laws pardoning r-pists who r-word a girl provided they marry her. Ultimately, the protection of a woman’s male family members more about her mental health and the fact that she is tied to her abuser and tormentor. I brought that up since it was a law in Somali abolished very recently.

This is why conservative societies will welcome back a son just out of prison but not a daughter who was a prostitute.

You’re contradicting yourself. A son back that has been in prison isn’t useful. I many cases he’s a burden as he can’t get a steady job and has to be taken back home to get a bride. You’ve inadvertently proved my point. Men have intrinsic worth, whilst women don’t.

Well, if a guy marries you, you have the right to demand a hefty meher, no questions asked. He cannot demand that from you. I’m not going to deny that there is misogyny in Somali society, it would strange for a conservative society like that not to have some.

You’ve misunderstood why I told you that max max. It is a common saying to say that women are half of women. Half in value. That’s the meaning behind it. This is even culturally understood.

But in general I think women have more value from a societal standing and perception than men, and with great ramifications when they lose their value compared to a useless man.

Useless men don’t lose their values in Somali culture. They’ll forever have a standing and that is a powerful indication that their value is tied to their humanity.

Women used to divorce and get married again regularly, especially in prewar Somalia, unlike the vast majority of the Islamic world where a divorced woman is almost condemned to remain alone for the rest of her life, so that aspect of Somali culture has always been there. The rest would be rectified by a strong government providing services and security, but that is actively prevented on a larger geopolitical scale, so I won’t get into that.

I was focusing on the lack of uselessness of some men not being condemned. They’re free to be useless as ever with no loss of status.

 

[Abdirazaq]

lol, you have a perpetual victim mentality. Doesn’t it get exhausting? Like you’re a man. Not once did I mention Somali men attacking that girl or blame them whatsoever.

I know this might seem like a low blow but it’s kind of the point I was making. Why are men not allowed to be Victims? It’s literally these types of words and this type of thinking that leads men to devalue themselves and understand that they have to become someone for anyone to care about them.

 

[Garaad Awal]

No one cares, you can choose who to defend and who not to. But my issue is mocking someone who just got bricked. That is it.

We can mock whoever we want. Get over it

 

[Man with a garuun]

 

[Angelina]

Doesn’t this tie back into the idea that women are seen as more inherently valuable than men in communities, especially conservative ones? Wouldn’t this lead to men in that community upholding the value of their women, while this can be looked at from a constricting/possessive or objectifying sense it also places women in a pedestal in terms of their worth to the community, in other words their humanity is being cared for more and is being seen as more worthy to protect. These are just two ways of looking at the same situation, one with a positive lense and the other with a negative lense.

I don’t see how you can look at it in a positive way when they’ll even insult a halal married Somali woman with a Muslim husband and shame her. What value is that outside of ownership? Is it humanizing to be called ****. Absurd point I have to say.

So a woman is valued as long as Somali men have access to her? Is that what you call value? Or is real value based on accepting someone’s choices and seeing that they are human and thus may go for another option that isn’t them AND still wanting to protect them. Whose value is everlasting and who isn’t?

While it’s true that a women’s value is tied to toeing the line, it’s also inherent in nature, from a young age girls are more protected from dangerous situations than young boys in general. I think you’re absolutely wrong about men value being tied to simply existing, it’s actually females whose value is tied to existing which why they’re restricted in the first place as that value becomes lower overtime through bad choices

No it isn’t. In traditional cultures, if a woman is a victim of r-word, her value plummets and can be forced to marry the criminal. He still has a value since he’s covering for the shame of her male family members. Is that you call inherit value? When criminals and the like have more value than a poor victim?!

On the other hand it’s actually males who’s value is tied less to existing and more to generating and providing, a man who doesn’t make any money or doesn’t provide in some way for their family/community in any sense is seen as worthless while a women who s around and does ratchet stuff loses their value overtime.

Not in the Somali community. Gang bangers, loser and the like aren’t ostracized. They’re taken back home and married off to women who have been reduced to rehabilitation centers. Can you ever think of an instance of a female equivalent let’s say a loose woman being taken care off and take back home so that a poor man can be fooled into marrying her? Of course not. Men are valued too much to be taken for ride and made into the white knights of loose women. Yet women will be married off to their r-pists, gang bangers and even the unemployed loser in the case of a Western loser being married to a poor local.

Wallahi I’ve also seen this with men with mental health problems, autism and the like be taken back home to marry a beautiful young bride, but I’ve never seen a women who is mentally or like be in that situation.

This is why Somali Hooyo’s reject their daughters for their sexual misconduct, they’re losing their value of inherently existing as female, while they know there’s a chance for their sons to reform themselves and actually become someone people care about in the future because nobody cares about her gangbanger son which allows the mother to fix the situation.

You don’t even realize that you contradicted yourself. You are literally proving that men are born with value. You’re able to change, have a second chance which is what it is to be human. Being human means you’ll make mistakes and people that recognize your humanity will understand that. You are humanized and you’ve just admitted it without realizing! Humanized to such an extent they’re taken back despite being degenerates and are married. They not only get a mother who still cares but a wife to

Yet women’s values plummet not for their own mistakes but also that of men who force themselves on to them. Even a man lying/slandering a woman can make her lose value. How are we valued when even the mistakes of men can ruin us?!

Lol and you call that inherant ‘worth’. Women are of such little value intrinsically that a lies of a woman uttered in seconds can demolish it. It’s that fragile.

It really isn’t sunshine and roses to live the life of a man in society and while you already told me that you’d like to see me fit the shoes of a women to see how their life is like, it seems like you think men just have it all and there’s no negatives to being a man,

I don’t think men have it easy. But it’s whole lot more easy than women. No man truly becomes ‘valueless’ as you can always turn a new leaf. Your humanity and the fact that humans do make mistakes is respected. We live in a man’s world and men’s ideals and what benefits them is law.

I think it would actually be more beneficial to see you fit the shoes of a man and walk in the world of an avarage man, you’ll quickly realise is isn’t as great as you think it is.

And what issues that are completely separate from women do men deal with?

I don’t know if you can come with a separate list. Correct my ignorance.

In the past men would be plagued with full provision: now women work, they’d be plagued with wars and protecting their families: now we live in a police state!

The difficulties that the men of your community went through has now been mostly reduced through the advent of tech and modernity. So what can we say do men suffer from that women don’t also?

Please look outside yourself and see that you aren’t the only one constantly suffering the most due to your identities. Women have it tough in the world and the avarage women suffers more than the avarage man but understand that women hold certain privileges that men most men couldn’t hope to attain and society in general are blind to the suffering men face and that these issues aren’t the same issues women face.

Okay. Maybe I’m blind but I haven’t really had a man explain properly what issues men face that women don’t?

 

[Abdirazaq]

They’re not forgotten about at all. Men who don’t provide their families and sit in marfish chewing qaat aren’t reprimanded. What’s their value? How do they help their people? No one forgets their existence and in many cases they’re married. We’d have to pretend a lot of things don’t exist in our community in order for that to real.

People absolutely forget their existence and these are the types of guys who women divorce asap, this is why they aren’t reprimanded, cause no one cares.

You’re also forgetting that gang-banging sons are often taken back home to get their pic of a bride. Women in our community back home are indeed rehabilitation centers.

This is the issue you’d have to forget about all of these things happening in our community in order for your point of make sense.

This literally proves the point about men’s being more valued for what they can provide whereas women are valued more for what they are, gangbager abdi’s have western passports, that gives them high status among women (especially desperate women back home), whereas the women are seen to be inherently valuable due to who they are. If this wasn’t true you’d see an equal level of western Xalimos marrying poor guys from back home but that’s nearly non existent.

You’re contradicting yourself. A son back that has been in prison isn’t useful. I many cases he’s a burden as he can’t get a steady job and has to be taken back home to get a bride. You’ve inadvertently proved my point. Men have intrinsic worth, whilst women don’t.

Except you know that this isn’t true, a son that’s been in prision can still absolutely be useful to a struggling women from the motherland, that passport is worth its weight in gold and you know it, this isn’t inherent value but a status badge that allows the women a better life.

That’s not her worth. Women are so much more than just their down below. If you tie her worth to that, then r-word victims are worthless and we see it with old laws pardoning r-pists who r-word a girl provided they marry her. Ultimately, the protection of a woman’s male family members more about her mental health and the fact that she is tied to her abuser and tormentor. I brought that up since it was a law in Somali abolished very recently.

Wait so a women’s chastity etc isn’t tied to her worth because women who get r-worded are forced to marry the man who r-worded them? Aren’t you just proving his point, in a very morbid manifestation?

I was focusing on the lack of uselessness of some men not being condemned. They’re free to be useless as ever with no loss of status.

Yes they are free to be as useless as they can without being condemned because people simply don’t care about useless men so why condemn them? They don’t even get that benefit, that someone cares enough about you that they’ll chastise you.

 

[KaiMarvin]

 

[Three Moons]

They’re not forgotten about at all. Men who don’t provide their families and sit in marfish chewing qaat aren’t reprimanded. What’s their value? How do they help their people? No one forgets their existence and in many cases they’re married. We’d have to pretend a lot of things don’t exist in our community in order for that to real.

That’s clearly the 45-75 age category, who’s hard-earned qualifications were never recognised in their new host countries, suffered from a ton of PTSD after losing siblings and friends in the war, and never found their footing in these new societies, however these guys aren’t the useless gang-bangers we are discussing, nor would the latter want to come anywhere near their judgemental older male relatives.

You’re also forgetting that gang-banging sons are often taken back home to get their pic of a bride. Women in our community back home are indeed rehabilitation centers.

That’s more of an example of the wealth disparity between the West and Somalia. If the latter got its oil and other resources out of the ground and turned into UAE overnight, not a single diaspora male, be it a brain surgeon or a crack addict would stand a chance in the local marital market.

I don’t agree with the current situation, pious women should be for pious men.

This is the issue you’d have to forget about all of these things happening in our community in order for your point of make sense.

That’s not her worth. Women are so much more than just their down below. If you tie her worth to that, then r-word victims are worthless and we see it with old laws pardoning r-pists who r-word a girl provided they marry her. Ultimately, the protection of a woman’s male family members more about her mental health and the fact that she is tied to her abuser and tormentor. I brought that up since it was a law in Somali abolished very recently.

I didn’t say that this is my personal perception of what a woman’s worth is or should be, but that for thousands of years this has been considered the societal standard across multiple continents, states, cultures and religions.

Look at the Dillon Dallis - Logan Paul situation, even if the girl was an astronaut, brain surgeon, and found the cure to cancer, all of that would still be erased and eclipsed by the actions of her past, and this is in a liberal society like America where hookup culture is fully promoted as normal.

You’re contradicting yourself. A son back that has been in prison isn’t useful. I many cases he’s a burden as he can’t get a steady job and has to be taken back home to get a bride. You’ve inadvertently proved my point. Men have intrinsic worth, whilst women don’t.

A conservative society would still hold out hope for a son to rehabilitate himself and become useful, sure he might not get a steady job, sure he might relapse, but the critical factor is ‘hope’. That is a sentiment not given to daughters that have fallen off the wayside.

You’ve misunderstood why I told you that max max. It is a common saying to say that women are half of women. Half in value. That’s the meaning behind it. This is even culturally understood.

I know what you meant, but when taken literally, it was a reference to the amount of camels that was given in blood money when a man was killed and when a woman was killed, which is strange because when a man and woman would get married, the woman would get a 100 camels and the man would get nothing.

The difference is one became a misogynistic saying, the other didn’t.

Useless men don’t lose their values in Somali culture. They’ll forever have a standing and that is a powerful indication that their value is tied to their humanity.

I was focusing on the lack of uselessness of some men not being condemned. They’re free to be useless as ever with no loss of status.

I think the difference is that one group’s worth is tied to factors that don’t have an expiration date (sorry if this sounds harsh), so a conservative society will continue to hope for a change to them becoming ‘useful’. The other’s worth is tied to factors that can be permanently diminished, and lost forever from a societal perspective, so they are condemned more harshly.

Its hypocritical but still a fact in even the most advanced and forward thinking civilizations on Earth.