Somali boys in the West are easily drawn to ghetto lifestyles

[Juke]

Can i just say the different communities you've highlighted have a strangle hold on nearly all decent jobs. I used to be a temp worker for a prestigious organisation and normally you have to complete 3 months of probation before given the permanent position. So, after 3 months of grinding my ass off i was reinterviewed and they told me it was only a formality and on the same day i saw some other indian guy going into the interview who looked like the cousin of one of my collegues. 2 weeks later, i was told theyd give me an amazing reference but they found someone more slightly more experience but that my work so far had been good.

On another occasion, i was at a firm for like 6months or so and some new temp guy came (asian)... helped him out showed him the work i do... and found out that he stayed late every freaking day till like 9 or something asslicking the managers. After the 1 year review they said theyd let me go with a decent bonus(buyout my 4weeks notice period) and redundancies happen. The manager guy firing me spoke about himself for like 25minutes and then was like oh your being let go casually.

Mind you ive moved up ranks contracting quite quickly in a 3 year period so i can just apply and i can probably land loads of interviews in a week or so. The barriers for somali guys after university is unreal, even if you have graduated from a top university and have tons of internships. Got to know how to play the social game big time and get yourself a big backer in your firm and its smooth sailing, otherwise youll be jumping from job to job.

We absolutely need to establish more professional networks and mentorships.

 

[Desert Flower]

We absolutely need to establish more professional networks and mentorships.

I agree. Easier said than done though. But I think it could be done inshallah.

 

[ReerVanCadde]

More like we need some organisation that takes fresh graduates and let's them work for a few years in their chosen fields and they can keep doing professional exams etc so lpc for lawyers, actuary exams, accountant exams, project management exams and allows them to interview out and build skills whilst getting paid. That way they have a few years of experience and won't deal with b.s at the entry level.

 

[Finesse]

Sorry for my rude behavior, but I don't think it's that simple there is a dark side you don't see. I'm from Chicago originally the Low End SouthSide, there were barely any Somalis in my area growing up. I got PTSD from seeing some fucked up shit, so talking about this issue is a inflammatory subject for me.

It's ok and I am sorry too, you really grew up in a terrible place, Chicago? I cannot imagine.

 

[NotoriusBIG-V2]

It's ok and I am sorry too, you really grew up in a terrible place, Chicago? I cannot imagine.

Drill rap pretty much spiked the violence back in 2012, all these rapper make millions and get their friends and relatives killed and then move out. Too much gang politics here, unfortunately this destructive chicago drill rap has become a worldwide phenomenon that influences and destroys the minds of the youth.

 

[Gambar]

Some boys just chase after trouble no matter how much of a good parent you are. Waa nasiib.

 

[BobSmoke]

Fantastic thread.

There are many sides to this complexity.
4 factors to this
1. How active and aware the parents were
2. School, the fellow students and the teachers.
3. Environment, friends and the norm there.
4. The individuals natural way of being.

It's a gamble if 1 of these 4 look dicey.
It's coming mostly down to the parents and the way the kids are built.
Somali males are not really uniform like that however we are very much linked. It can take 1 event for us to switch.

Another thing that is unaddressed in our community and that is how a man should deal with stress and how to deal with mental health in a healthy manner. We have a lot of unchecked trauma and it will affect how we navigate in life.
This thing cannot be simplified.

There isn't just 1 solution. This problem has to be solved wholistically. It takes many parties to solve this clusterfuck.

 

[Kayo]

Somali boys in the West need strong Somali oriented after-school programs to distract them from getting caught up in ghetto lifestyles. Since Somalis are naturally gifted at poetry and comedy, many would excel in programs that would encourage the development of these skills. We also need Somali traditional games and martial arts to be taught. The reason why most Somali girls are less drawn to ghetto lifestyles is because they're socialised to spend more time at home and also, they are drawn to Somali music/dance because of the wedding culture.

Somali boys in the West don't even wear Somali traditional clothes at their own weddings, instead they wear a Khamiis and an Omani hat as if they just flew in from Muscat.

We need NGO's that revive Somali traditional culture or we will see more and more Somali boys sagging their pants and preparing to be someone's girlfriend in prison.

Are there organisations in the West that are involved in this?

It's pretty simple,most of these young men didn't grow up in Somalia nor do they have a very strong cultural ties. Their parents are more usually working all the time trying to better their situation. Those young men's don't have role models they look up to so with the weak cultural ties,they try to fit in with the glorified"gangbanging" African American culture. Which usually leads them more often than not, to reject themselves in order to be "normal". Plus you gotta take into account the fact that their parents came from a civil war to come to the west for a better future. That's why they are more likely to choose the "ghetto lifestyle" instead of succeeding in their own way like Indians and Asians and the fact that they are seen as black by the system also doesn't help.

 

[Mozart]

Why is it difficult for some people to grasp that these kids grew up in a different environment to you ?

They live in some of the worst council estates , go to the worst of schools, David Cameron’s government sent their mothers to work, and gangs can easily recruit them with the allure of fast money given their situation.

Just because they’re Somali and you have an image of how they should be, it doesn’t make it a reality.

 

[jabsveg276]

I was born in the United States, so have many of my friends. Since my family couldn't afford to live in the nicest neighborhood we had to live in low income areas. Which guess what, is full of ghetto mathows, somalis and hispanics. So overtime the lifestyle you call "ghetto" is a pretty normal lifestyle. My parents made sure I didn't hang around the wrong people so I am pretty sucessful in life right now. But it really isn't the somali kids fault.

 

[Abaq]

Why is it difficult for some people to grasp that these kids grew up in a different environment to you ?

They live in some of the worst council estates , go to the worst of schools, David Cameron’s government sent their mothers to work, and gangs can easily recruit them with the allure of fast money given their situation.

Just because they’re Somali and you have an image of how they should be, it doesn’t make it a reality.

Most of us grew up in the same neighbourhoods. Half my friends chose that life, half didn't. I have two friends that were bestfriends since they were in year 2 break up over this lifestyle when they were in year 10. One wanted to focus on his studies, one wanted the street lifestyle. We're not talking out of our backsides, we lived through it and have seen it all.

 

[Invader]

I say f*ck madow and madow culture lovers. Kill them all . I won’t say black, because I am dark skin

It's like saying Tamils are black.

There is no science to black.

People from Papua have nothing in common with people from the West Indies.

Black is a social construct .

 

[Ceelbuur]

@Shmurda Prime example

 

[Djokovic]

Somali boys in the West need strong Somali oriented after-school programs to distract them from getting caught up in ghetto lifestyles. Since Somalis are naturally gifted at poetry and comedy, many would excel in programs that would encourage the development of these skills. We also need Somali traditional games and martial arts to be taught. The reason why most Somali girls are less drawn to ghetto lifestyles is because they're socialised to spend more time at home and also, they are drawn to Somali music/dance because of the wedding culture.

Somali boys in the West don't even wear Somali traditional clothes at their own weddings, instead they wear a Khamiis and an Omani hat as if they just flew in from Muscat.

We need NGO's that revive Somali traditional culture or we will see more and more Somali boys sagging their pants and preparing to be someone's girlfriend in prison.

Are there organisations in the West that are involved in this?

No more Somali culture for me only Islam

 

[Gambar]

I was born in the United States, so have many of my friends. Since my family couldn't afford to live in the nicest neighborhood we had to live in low income areas. Which guess what, is full of ghetto mathows, somalis and hispanics. So overtime the lifestyle you call "ghetto" is a pretty normal lifestyle. My parents made sure I didn't hang around the wrong people so I am pretty sucessful in life right now. But it really isn't the somali kids fault.

It’s a safety net, it is not supposed to be a forever thing. Your goal should be to move your parents out of there.

 

[المهندس]

We should of stayed in our tuulos.

 

[AJ4ever]

No more Somali culture for me only Islam

Definitely Islam is the way forward for young Somalis, but there's nothing wrong with having to adhere to our somali traditions as long as they are in conflict with Islam.

 

[Djokovic]

Definitely Islam is the way forward for young Somalis, but there's nothing wrong with having to adhere to our somali traditions as long as they are in conflict with Islam.

I agree with you

 

[Factz]

In a street life, you want to hurt others who come from a different turf from you. You want to sell drugs to make easy money. You want to commit numerous zina because it makes you feel like a "real man". You want to drink alcohol, smoke weed and take other forms of drugs like sippin lean, poppin pills and etc. It's a very sinful lifestyle that goes against Islam in every principle.

One way to counter such filthy lifestyle is having parents with strong religious values who make their children pray 5 times a day, fast during Ramadan, take them to madrassa so they can finish Qu'ran and Hadith at a young age. Teach them what's right and wrong in our religion and you'll see the positive impacts it can have in their life. They will become religious and focus on their studies in school. They will become good kids and I've seen this with my own eyes of kids who live in the complex but are good people because they had parents with strong religious values.

Yes, the environment can play a role sometimes but everything goes down to parenting.

 

[Cam]

Some of these ciyaalosuuq are just continuing a family tradition. They are sons/daughters of war criminals. Not all "refugees" are innocent people. If their family members stole from/killed people in Somalia what do you think the kids are doing? Crime.

Also, most refugee communities are messed up. Look at the other major refugee groups and their crime rates. The only decent refugee group I have ever seen are the Syrians and it's because they're an educated bunch.