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And the prophet ﷺ married 40 year old Khadija ra when he was 25. Was that because of poverty? Ofc no. The prophet ﷺ is our role model when it comes to marriages whith massive age gaps.
(لقد كان لكم في رسول الله أسوة حسنة)
Should child marriage be banned in Somalia?
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We’re not talking about that. No one in their right state of mind is okay with Halloween or any of that balayo. Also, I’m not talking about Saudi
Why is limiting age of consent not okay, but limiting education is?
I can argue that you cloak your religion based on redpill and right wing ideology. You’re not consistent. You can’t advocate for banning of education but have issues with this.
No one has ever said that child marriage is the Sunnah. In fact classical scholars who allowed child marriages were still of the opinion that waiting is better.
Learn your deen
What about the disallowed marrying of Jews and Christians or your support of the Taliban banning education? Why is that okay?
I’m saying very young marriages should be limited. If someone marries very young, they need to wait In order to consummate the marriage and that isn’t what is happening for some girls. Sex too young can cause infertility and the scientific literature is there.
But what benefit is there to banning education?
I view it as a fact of a the time and have no issues with it.
When scholars say it is better for fathers to wait, instead of marrying their daughters off do you think they have some sort of issue with the Prophet s.a.w marriage?
Why is limiting age any different to limiting marriages to Jews and Christians. You can’t give me a straight answer apart from throwing buzz words.
Youre also a hypocrite. You had no issue limiting women’s education hence why
You can’t argue with me apart from throwing around liberal or feminist.
Your whole argument falls apart because you’re okay with disallowing the halal: Taliban ban.
You can’t tell me that limiting child marriage is haram because we know in history halal marriages such as ones to Jews and Christians was disallowed.
Can you engage with those questions logically? I highly doubt it. You don’t have the range.
25 is the same as 10? What an incredibly low IQ point.
Do you honestly think anyone would have a conversation about a 25 yr old woman with a 40 yr old.
Biskinka.
I have answered all of your questions in the last post. You have a habit of thinking repeating the same things with different wording is a powerful argument.
Modern education that you just used as a weapon against a Sunnah, is not a Sunnah. Marriage and the Shariah around it is from the age of puberty. The Shariah already puts in place mechanisms such as the Mahram having right to accept/decline just like in the hadith you showed. But that is not what you are interested in, you are advocating for it to be illegal.
You need to read over your posts. Mentioning that scholars had the opinion of marrying later is better is not the same as saying it should be illegal, you have indirectly called the Prophet SWS marriage harmful on here multiple times. That is a scholarly opinion and you are advocating to make the halal haram, by law.
As for saying no one in their right state of mind would support a government promoting haram, that is who you are advocating to change the Shariah and using Umar RA as comparison. As I mentioned in my earlier post, a ridiculous comparison.
You can keep fighting for liberal womens rights, Muslims will be here to correct it when you try to cloak it in Islam.
Of course not, that is completely acceptable in the liberal western world. No problem with 18 with 60 or 80 year olds either, or perhaps the 17 you mentioned earlier.
I heard from one of my uncles who used to be a geeljire in Ethiopia back in the day that girls would get married at 16 to boys around their age like a 3 year age difference max. I also follow this cute nomad couple that look 18 at most with their own kid that's a toddler. Seems pretty common for teens to get married to eachother in badiyo
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Who is 10 years old?
@Angelina thanks for that insightful yasir qadhi video
it seems that default opinion is that it’s fine for rulers to restrict what is permissible. so if children under 16 or 18 getting married is made illegal, there is no problem with it. no point debating people who believe that you’re a liberal feminist for being against rape in marriage. just like how slavery was banned even though a few centuries ago it was normal. what scholar has condemned this?
it seems that default opinion is that it’s fine for rulers to restrict what is permissible. so if children under 16 or 18 getting married is made illegal, there is no problem with it. no point debating people who believe that you’re a liberal feminist for being against rape in marriage. just like how slavery was banned even though a few centuries ago it was normal. what scholar has condemned this?
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Because you have a habit of ranting and not actually answering question d
Child marriage isn’t a Sunnah. Learn your deen. Show me one scholar that says child marriage is a Sunnah? This is the issue you’re ignorant and want to scream ‘liberalism’! Child marriage is merely Mubah! For goodness sake.
What are you talking about? Education isn’t haram whatsoever and if education is an issue, it would be an issue for men as well. Hence, for all your talk of feminism you’re clearly influenced by redpill and your crusade against Westernization is very much gendered. That is why you can’t be taken seriously.
Im sure you’d have no issue with concepts such as mininum wage, holiday wages ect which isn’t part of the Sharia.
Marriage and the Shariah allows marriages to Jews and Christians. You keep on avoiding this. I keep on mentioning this point because you can’t come up with a logical argument.
If your issue with limiting child age is due to it being halal why is marriages to Jews and Christians any different. Actually come up with a logical point without resorting to talking about liberalism or feminism.
Why is child marriage more important than marrying Jews and Chistians. We are only talking about the rulings here with regards to rulers having the power to limit even Mubah
Since when is making the Mubah disallowed in Islam straight up haram? You’re contradicting yourself. Education is halal yet that was banned. Marrying Jews and Christians is halal yet that was disallowed.
You can’t tell me you have issues with making the Mubah disallowed is what you have issues with when you clearly pick and choose.
Is the Umar RA comparison far off. Did he not disallow something that is clearly explicit in the Quran? Yes or no?
Throughout Islamic history, rulers have disallowed the Mubah. Child marriage is Mubah, it is merely permissible.
Wallahi, you’re a hypocrite. If I’m fighting for liberalism, you’re fighting for redpill and shaydaanino.
Education for women is halal and permissible and you had no issues with a ruler disallowing that.
You lack any form of consistency, hence I can’t take you seriously.
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Yep it is and Wallahi people like @AMusee are absolute hypocrites.
They have 0 issues with rulers disallowing the Mubah such as women’s education, yet child marriage is an issue?
Be consistent. It is the inconsistency that gets to be @World. They pick and choose when it comes to their outrage when it comes to disallowing the halal.
Also, if that man bothered to watch the video he’d know that disallowing some forms of Mubah as been done throughout Islamic history. Why is it an issue now? Can you logically say that not allowing marriages to Jews and child marriage is any different? He can’t even articulate why one is okay and not the other!
They won’t be able to come up with a coherent answer without screaming ‘Liberalism!’ ‘West’! Despite having no issues with child labour laws, minimum wage and other modern concepts.
This isn’t even liberalism. Even in the Sharia it’s based on maturity and puberty.
The average ten yr old hasn’t even started her period, so even if married off she wouldn’t be allowed to be with her husband. So the fact that you’re comparing a pre-pub child with a grown person and calling it ‘liberalism’ shows how retarded you are.
Also stop with the BS, we both know you have no issues with holiday pay, minim wage and the like being made by law which you could easily argue goes against the halal.
Your are only against modernism when it comes to women and little girls.
Get out of here.
Yasir Qadhi mentioned how his scholar said that due to how prevalent divorce is becoming and misused, there is no problem for the right of divorce to be stripped from the husband and enforcing him to go the court of law to present his case. I totally agree. I feel like especially back home, divorce is taken far too lightly and abused. The shariah has a lot of leniency but uneducated people make it out to be this rigid fiqh book that you can’t change. Obviously some things are rigid though.
Be careful, @AMusee will accuse you of liberalism or maybe that is only reserved for women?
What is wajib and what is haram cannot be changed.
The leeway is only for things that are merely Mubah. An example of men being stripped of certain rights is the rights to marry women of the Kitab. That is a right that Allah gave them but Omar R.A disallowed it because he feared that young women would be left without a husband. He wasn’t against the Quran obviously, he merely didn’t allow it during his time due to the side effects he was witnessing.
Also, men were also stripped of the rights to Talaq their wives three times on the spot. Why? Because of rampant divorces. Yet I can imagine if these Jahils that are arguing with me if they lived during those times they’d be arguing with Caliph’s about how that is disallowing the haram! They’d be calling it all ‘Liberal’ changing of the deen or whatever nonsense.
Also, with the point about men being forced to present to court isn’t one I’m familiar with.
However, one thing is certain is that disallowing the Mubah happened and happens all the time, but the only one that people are concerned about is the one’s impacting women. These hypocritical men have no issues with modern ideals as long as it benefits them.
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@Angelina what you continue to struggle to grasp is Umar RA was a knowledgeable and independent Sahabi which is why his opinions are valid. You and a modern government are none of those things. You are weighing your harm/benefit on your personal opinion which is irrelevant. You are also advocating for it to be illegal by law.
Modern schooling being halal is not comparable to marriage laws clearly outlined by the Shariah. What is Mubah is marriage to minors which is marriage before the age puberty, which is what the scholars speak on. Marriage at puberty has no difference of opinion, you are conflating the two for your own reasons.
The marriage laws are clear and extensive and there is ample verses for Quran, Hadith, and scholarly opinion, your comparison of this to modern schooling is ridiculous. One is part of the Shariah the other is not.
You are advocating for the age of 17 and anything else to be illegal, meaning the clear Shariah made illegal. If you know anything about Islam you would know what a grave sin that is.
On the Taliban thread that you keeping bringing up, it is another case of you making things up. Similiar to the accusation of me slandering the digital sisterhood that I have asked you to show and you avoid each time, please show me where I even voiced support for the school ban? It is another one of your baseless claims and distractions. I commented on a Taliban related thread to call out yours and others clear hypocrisy, when there were threads created about the suffering of people in Afghanistan you were nowhere to be found but wrote essays about girls schooling. The logical connection is your advocacy is not for the well-being of anyone or women/girls but your liberal feminist ideology. Similar to how Westerners get outraged about mandated Hijabs but have no issues with bombing and sanctioning the same people.
I did not comment on the school ban and even if I did, it not a part of the Shariah that modern schooling is mandatory for either girls or boys. What is clear is the Shariah around marriage that you are advocating to be made illegal.
Here is some context about Age of Marriage in Islam for the readers:
And here is some context about Yasir Qadhi the only reference used by @Angelina
Modern schooling being halal is not comparable to marriage laws clearly outlined by the Shariah. What is Mubah is marriage to minors which is marriage before the age puberty, which is what the scholars speak on. Marriage at puberty has no difference of opinion, you are conflating the two for your own reasons.
The marriage laws are clear and extensive and there is ample verses for Quran, Hadith, and scholarly opinion, your comparison of this to modern schooling is ridiculous. One is part of the Shariah the other is not.
You are advocating for the age of 17 and anything else to be illegal, meaning the clear Shariah made illegal. If you know anything about Islam you would know what a grave sin that is.
On the Taliban thread that you keeping bringing up, it is another case of you making things up. Similiar to the accusation of me slandering the digital sisterhood that I have asked you to show and you avoid each time, please show me where I even voiced support for the school ban? It is another one of your baseless claims and distractions. I commented on a Taliban related thread to call out yours and others clear hypocrisy, when there were threads created about the suffering of people in Afghanistan you were nowhere to be found but wrote essays about girls schooling. The logical connection is your advocacy is not for the well-being of anyone or women/girls but your liberal feminist ideology. Similar to how Westerners get outraged about mandated Hijabs but have no issues with bombing and sanctioning the same people.
I did not comment on the school ban and even if I did, it not a part of the Shariah that modern schooling is mandatory for either girls or boys. What is clear is the Shariah around marriage that you are advocating to be made illegal.
Here is some context about Age of Marriage in Islam for the readers:
And here is some context about Yasir Qadhi the only reference used by @Angelina
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@Angelina why do you think it's good to restrict the age of marriage for teens considering how lustful the society today is? Isn't one of the purposes of marriage for people to fulfil their desires in a Halal way? If marriage for under-18 girls/boys was banned don't you think our under-18 people are vulnerable to falling for Zina?
These laws were brought by Gaalo countries who have no problem with teens underage having sex but don't allow under-18 marriage. For example, in most western countries 16 years old or even below kids can have sex but they can't marry until they reach 18. Why do you think is that? They are simply discouraging the noble act of marriage and brother @AMusee has a problem with that.
These laws were brought by Gaalo countries who have no problem with teens underage having sex but don't allow under-18 marriage. For example, in most western countries 16 years old or even below kids can have sex but they can't marry until they reach 18. Why do you think is that? They are simply discouraging the noble act of marriage and brother @AMusee has a problem with that.
It's a liberal feminist thing as evidenced by most western countries recognizing marital rape recently after the rise of these movements.
