Yaraye
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I bet you its a somali man that made that disgusting maahmaah
Should child marriage be banned in Somalia?
- Thread starter TekNiKo
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Few years age difference is fine but what i have just seen a 50 year old and a 14 year old is disgusting
Why "in this day and age"? What exactly changed?
You seem to be very strongly insinuating double standards between the people of the prophet and the modern day Muslim man for something that is Islamically permissible. The only way to justify something like this would be to ultimately use a moral framework that is outside of Islam.
You say doing it on a personal level is halal which I agree with but how can you justify mass stigmatization/prohibition without being a moral relativist? You seem to be insinuate that as a favorable option judging by your earlier posts
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Yeah it should be banned that shit is pedo
But she looks older malnourished woman .
But she looks older malnourished woman .
Bundasliga
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You telling me if an 60 year old oday asks for your teenager daughters hand ,you wouldn't have any problem with his age?Marrying young girls was part of the culture during Prophet Muhammad's time and likewise many young girls during that time period were pressured to marry the sahaba. Lmao at your relativist morality
You are only reiterating what is well known, the girl and her mahram would need to accept the marriage, that is the example you have shown here. The girl and her mahram can decline for any reason including age/maturity.
Anyone who claims to be Muslim and calls a 14 year old marrying an older man disgusting is indirectly commenting on the Prophet SWS.
Again, it is clear many on this forum who claims to be Muslims view the world through a liberal paradigm often and in this case and many as OPPOSED to Islam.
Citing governments of Muslim majority countries and their colonial laws is not positive evidence for abandoning clear Shariah principles, and comparing modern corrupt governments to Umar RA is quite ridiculous.
You telling me if an 60 year old oday asks for your teenager daughters hand ,you wouldn't have any problem with his age?
If he did have a problem as the mahram he can decline based on his daughters maturity level or she can accept or decline the marriage.
Let us also note how this outrage is reserved for Islamic marriages and not degenerate Westerners promoting all kinds of filth in elementary schools or their celebrated culture of 18 year olds (arbitrary number) in relationships with rich old men, they have legal apps/websites for that.
Do you genuinely want this to be a temporary ban or are you only saying this because it's the closest thing you can get to it being prohibited?
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In Somalia, child marriage is a criminal offense, yet the government's corruption and lack of accountability has allowed this heinous practice to persist.
50 yr old marrying 14 yr old
The leaders who are supposed to represent and protect the people are nothing more than thieves and ignoramuses.
It is truly disheartening to recall instances where government officials have publicly admitted to receiving a salary without any understanding of his job’s responsibilities. ( it is on YouTube.)
The government's failure to address this issue and uphold the law is a blatant neglect of their duty to the citizens of Somalia.
The last part. We’re talking about a Muslim
Society here. Can you truly say it’s haram for A Muslim society to create a limit of age for the well being of young Muslim girls? Why are you okay with limiting the education of young girls in which there is a clear benefit? Also, before you argue please note that child marriage is merely permissible and that classical scholars were of the opinion that it is better for fathers not to marry their daughters off at a young age. Also, Omar RA also recommend for fathers not to marry daughters to men that are significantly older. Yet, you and the other posters are behaving as though it’s a pillar in Islam. Why?
Leaving the corruption to the side or whatever. The comparison is very much similar. Omar RA disallowed under his reign marriages to Jews and Christians and that is mentioned in the Quran and it is Mubah. Child marriage isn’t even explicitly mentioned in the Quran, yet you’re opposed to it being disallowed. Pragmatism with regards to the divorce laws ect is well known as well.
My point is, let’s think about what benefits young girls instead of looking at it as Western vs non Western.
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I believe a government can put limits to child marriages whilst it is in power the same way Omar RA limited marriages to Jews and Christians during his entire reign.
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Firstly talk to people like they’re Muslim. I highly doubt @Bundasliga would approve of Zina or LGTB or any of that clear cut haram, so why base your argument on accusing people of that?
Can you not take part in a discussion without bringing other elements we’re not discussing?
Apart from the gaals here, no one supports what you’re accusing people of.
TekNiKo
Loyal To The One True Caliph (Hafidahullah)
Didn’t Omar RA also suspend the haad punishment for chopping hands for thieves during a famine? He was a very pragmatic leader so I dont doubt he mightve done that
What changes have been made from the time of the prophet to the modern era to warrant limits on child marriage? How can you say women are being taken advantage of today but not then?
in this day and age, young marriages are usually through forced marriages and poverty stricken conditions. The data shows that.
Nope, because there is nothing in Islam that suggests that Fathers have to marry their daughters off as children. You’re trying to create the impression that it is recommended and wajib.
What’s insane is that when you look at fiqh books which most definitely are okay with child marriages, they still say it is better for fathers to wait.
Hence associating child marriages with Islam when it was mostly a fact of life in the ancient world amongst Muslims and none Muslims alike is silly.
Why not? If marriages to Jews and Christian women can be disallowed why can’t marriages with minors? Like why? What’s the difference? If anything there is more explicitly mention of the permissibility of marriages to people of the book.
Qadhi made a good point, he said if people like you lived during the time in which Omar RA disallowed marriages to Jews and Christians, you’d go against it and say it is ‘moral relatavist’
How can women be taken advantage of if men marry Jews and Christians in which is explicitly mentioned in the Quran or that a man has a right to divorce his wife three times in one go?
Early Muslim leaders were pragmatic and tbh, @AMusee and @Dualke have no issues with Muslim leaders being pragmatic when it comes to the taking of women’s rights such as access to education or limiting their rights to basic things like Simcards.
There is a running theme here and we can all see it . Pragmatic behavior for them is making the lives of Muslim women harder, not easier.
Umar RA was a righteous and knowledgable Sahaba running an independent state and can not be compared to modern governments who are controlled by a liberal world order. Do you think the raves held by Saudi Arabia and their restrictions on Imams in Saudi Arabia are Islamically correct? If you want to follow those governments in your Islam you are free to, many do.
The theme is your feminist/liberal ideas you put forth while trying to cloak them in Islam and others who are correcting you, that is common denominator, it is you. You are now arguing for a Sunnah to be made illegal because you feel like it is harmful in favour of liberal norms you were acculturated in, that is why you arbirary said to force schooling until 17. It is not a coincidence and majority of those who agree with you on this forum are open gaals.
Harm and benefit is weighed by Islam and what Allah swt and his Messenger taught, not your liberal ideas. You say that young marriage is harmful and should be made illegal, a Sunnah. You also used schooling in this very thread as a mechanism against a Sunnah, which is telling that youre cognizant of what your intentions and goals/values are.
@Angelina how do you view the marriage of the Prophet SWS in his 50's to Aisha RA when she was 6/9?
You can keep preaching to the converted, open gaals and liberals on the forum. You wont affect Muslims as this has been tried for at least a 100 years now by more powerful forces. I do appreciate the opportunities you give to your average Somali reader to see what motivates your posts and these types of ideas is liberalism and commitment to liberal ideas of womens right and given the chance against a clear Islamic Sunnah you would advocate for governments to clear cut make it illegal.
The theme is your feminist/liberal ideas you put forth while trying to cloak them in Islam and others who are correcting you, that is common denominator, it is you. You are now arguing for a Sunnah to be made illegal because you feel like it is harmful in favour of liberal norms you were acculturated in, that is why you arbirary said to force schooling until 17. It is not a coincidence and majority of those who agree with you on this forum are open gaals.
Harm and benefit is weighed by Islam and what Allah swt and his Messenger taught, not your liberal ideas. You say that young marriage is harmful and should be made illegal, a Sunnah. You also used schooling in this very thread as a mechanism against a Sunnah, which is telling that youre cognizant of what your intentions and goals/values are.
@Angelina how do you view the marriage of the Prophet SWS in his 50's to Aisha RA when she was 6/9?
You can keep preaching to the converted, open gaals and liberals on the forum. You wont affect Muslims as this has been tried for at least a 100 years now by more powerful forces. I do appreciate the opportunities you give to your average Somali reader to see what motivates your posts and these types of ideas is liberalism and commitment to liberal ideas of womens right and given the chance against a clear Islamic Sunnah you would advocate for governments to clear cut make it illegal.
