Should child marriage be banned in Somalia?

[TekNiKo]

Its marriage. She is also old enough to accept or decline the marriage. Do you rather want those to, to fornicate?

Its not right Islam has something called Caqli and Ijtihaad, a 14 year old girl today is not the same as a 14 year old in the 7th century and is alot more infantile

 

[Angelina]

Facts, you wouldnt see a rich man do this with his daughters infact they probably treasure them in the household.

Yep, and I’m a strong believer in educating women and giving them the tools to be able to provide for themselves. Fathers would be less likely to think of their daughters as helpless burdens they need to push on older men their daughters don’t desire.

Walalo this fits in with the Taliban point. You believed it was okay to ban women from education. But once you do that, what you’re seeing in Somalia is the end point. It’s even worse in places like Afghanistan as you sometimes get 8 yr olds with an old grey haired man.

Educating and giving women financial means to survive is imperative because if you don’t, you create a society in which women are incredibly vulnerable and are at the whims and mercy of the lusts of men.

Solution? Somalis need to stop having a billion kids in one household and stop using Qadar of Allah as an excuse to live beyond your means. You would see a broke man in baadiyo have four wives with multiple kids and then say Allah will feed them.

Somalis need to go back to old Shafi teaching that one wife is better, especially for situations in which the husband is clearly struggling to provide. In fact, marrying multiple women when you can’t afford to do so and in which you end up resort to haram means such as forced marriages is clearly a sin.

Many of our people are ignorant in worldly and Deen knowledge. Also, thinking about consequences isn’t really a thing it seems.

 

[Dualke]

Marrying young girls was part of the culture during Prophet Muhammad's time and likewise many young girls during that time period were pressured to marry the sahaba. Lmao at your relativist morality

 

[Liban89]

Its not right Islam has something called Caqli and Ijtihaad, a 14 year old girl today is not the same as a 14 year old in the 7th century and is alot more infantile

A 14 year old isn't capable of leading a married life wether in the past or present.

Even if Somalis pass a law protecting minors; nothing is going to change. Somaliland parliament passed such a law a while back but nothing has changed, child marriage is present as ever in SL.

 

[World]

You would be surprised how despicable some Somali fathers back home are, they would offer you their daughter like a piece of candy even if you are already married they would insist. Sometimes they see girls as a burden on the household especially if they have 6+ kids so instead of feeding them they marry them off. Unless this culture of offering young girls to Diaspora/welloff men ceases it shall continue

If they’re struggling to put food on their daughter’s plate due to poverty, then obviously they want a wealthy and stable man that can not only look after her, but help the family as well. unless you’re in poverty you can’t judge. you have a canadian passport.

 

[Liban89]

Marrying young girls was part of the culture during Prophet Muhammad's time and likewise many young girls during that time period were pressured to marry the sahaba. Lmao at your relativist morality

Every single person i had a discussion with; immediately cites the age of Aisha when she was betrothed to the prophet.

 

[Dualke]

Every single person i had a discussion with; immediately cites the age of Aisha when she was betrothed to the prophet.

Makes sense. These are only two options when it comes to the view on (pubescent) child marriage:

It is wrong (gaal view)
It is ok (Muslim view)

But when niggas on here talk about how these men are sick and disgusting while claiming to be Muslim I'm just so confused because this LITERALLY applies to not only the Prophet Muhammad but the OVERARCHING CULTURE of the sahaba at the time

 

[Angelina]

Makes sense. These are only two options when it comes to the view on (pubescent) child marriage:

It is wrong (gaal view)
It is ok (Muslim view)

But when niggas on here talk about how these men are sick and disgusting while claiming to be Muslim I'm just so confused because this LITERALLY applies to not only the Prophet Muhammad but the OVERARCHING CULTURE of the sahaba at the time

Not wanting it for you or your loved ones is completely halal:

It was narrated from 'Abdullah bin Buraidah that his father said: "Abu Bakr and 'Umar, may Allah be pleased with them, proposed marriage to Fatimah but the Messenger of Allah said: 'She is young.' Then 'Ali proposed marriage to her and he married her to him."

أَخْبَرَنَا الْحُسَيْنُ بْنُ حُرَيْثٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا الْفَضْلُ بْنُ مُوسَى، عَنِ الْحُسَيْنِ بْنِ وَاقِدٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ بُرَيْدَةَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، قَالَ خَطَبَ أَبُو بَكْرٍ وَعُمَرُ رضى الله عنهما فَاطِمَةَ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ إِنَّهَا صَغِيرَةٌ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَخَطَبَهَا عَلِيٌّ فَزَوَّجَهَا مِنْهُ ‏.‏

Grade:

Sahih(Darussalam)

Furthermore, a lot child marriages in this day and age causes immense physical and psychological issues and usually especially with the case of teen brides, they’re forced which is haram and is based on poverty.

 

[Angelina]

Marrying young girls was part of the culture during Prophet Muhammad's time and likewise many young girls during that time period were pressured to marry the sahaba. Lmao at your relativist morality

We have clear Hadiths about forced marriages being haram, yet you’re talking about pressure.

How about you assess your morals and instead of using the deen.

 

[Yaraye]

pedophiles lurking in the thread

 

[World]

what’s wrong with murtads? so obsessed with islam after leaving it. in the 50 years you have left living, you believe you will cease to exist forever, so why do you care what others believe in? it’s like spending your holiday in a beautiful hot country in your hotel room.

 

[Liban89]

Not wanting it for you or your loved ones is completely halal:

It was narrated from 'Abdullah bin Buraidah that his father said: "Abu Bakr and 'Umar, may Allah be pleased with them, proposed marriage to Fatimah but the Messenger of Allah said: 'She is young.' Then 'Ali proposed marriage to her and he married her to him."

أَخْبَرَنَا الْحُسَيْنُ بْنُ حُرَيْثٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا الْفَضْلُ بْنُ مُوسَى، عَنِ الْحُسَيْنِ بْنِ وَاقِدٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ بُرَيْدَةَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، قَالَ خَطَبَ أَبُو بَكْرٍ وَعُمَرُ رضى الله عنهما فَاطِمَةَ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ إِنَّهَا صَغِيرَةٌ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَخَطَبَهَا عَلِيٌّ فَزَوَّجَهَا مِنْهُ ‏.‏

Grade:

Sahih(Darussalam)

Furthermore, a lot child marriages in this day and age causes immense physical and psychological issues and usually especially with the case of teen brides, they’re forced which is haram and is based on poverty.

Have you got any possible solutions to child marriage in Somalia?

 

[Yaraye]

You can see the disgust on her face, cruel

who wouldn't be disgusted?

 

[Angelina]

Have you got any possible solutions to child marriage in Somalia?

Increase in education, living standards and forced schooling until 17.

They’ve already banned it as far as I’m aware and until poverty is still rampant, many especially those from rural communities who are heavily impacted by famine will not stop.

 

[Yaraye]

We should discourage/outlaw older men marrying teens. They should be marrying each other.

He is physically undesirable. When I think about all the women in history ( and currently) who had to sleep with ugly ass men because they had money/power... i shed a tear


thank God I was born into a middle class family in Canada and i can support myself comfortably.

wallahi thank god! And these men on here are asking us if we are gonna leave the west? leave for what?

 

[TekNiKo]

If they’re struggling to put food on their daughter’s plate due to poverty, then obviously they want a wealthy and stable man that can not only look after her, but help the family as well. unless you’re in poverty you can’t judge. you have a canadian passport.

I know man its sad It would break my heart to choose between my daughter marrying an old perv and money.

 

[TekNiKo]

A 14 year old isn't capable of leading a married life wether in the past or present.

Even if Somalis pass a law protecting minors; nothing is going to change. Somaliland parliament passed such a law a while back but nothing has changed, child marriage is present as ever in SL.

I hope awareness comes soon, I dont think those using religion as an excuse to abuse girls can be tolerated..

 

[Yaraye]

If they’re struggling to put food on their daughter’s plate due to poverty, then obviously they want a wealthy and stable man that can not only look after her, but help the family as well. unless you’re in poverty you can’t judge. you have a canadian passport.

Why should it be HER job to look after the family. It's already been decreed in the quran that the father should provide. It HIS job to do that. Why should SHE have to marry an old man cuz HE can't do what's mandatory of him. HE should have had the smarts not to get married and have children if he can't provide. It's simple as that.

 

[Angelina]

Yasir Qadhi makes a very good point about child marriage. In Islam it is merely allowed and a ruler can disallow it supposedly. Qadhi made logical points and he also talks about numerous cases of the Mubah being temporarily disallowed in Islamic history starting with Umar bin Khattab’s R.A time.

Before all of these people with grade 1 fiqh get upset, why did Umar bin Khattab R.A temporarily disallow marrying Jew and Christian women despite it being explicitly allowed in the Quran? It was a pragmatic decision. He didn’t go against the Quran and Sunnah, he merely limited it as he was worried about the marital status of Muslim women and it was about the greater good of these women not being spinsters. Hence, the Question is why can’t Muslim Ulama in today’s modern world actually take a pragmatic view and actually worry about the health of young Muslim girls?

Some Salafis on here will call Qadhi a progressive, but that doesn’t make sense. If in early Islam, Marrying Jews and Christian women was limited and the permissibility of marrying their women is explicitly mentioned in the Quran, yet child marriage isn’t, why is it okay for one to be limited and not the other? Take for example the issue of triple talaq at one time as well. It is allowed but it has been limited throughout Islamic history.

Looking at Islamic history really does unravel a lot of the talking points of many have here. Anyways, most Muslim countries do have age limits any way.

 

[Liban89]

I hope awareness comes soon, I dont think those using religion as an excuse to abuse girls can be tolerated..

I hope so, it gonna take a lot to change the awful practice in Somalia. Education, fatwas, a fundamental rethinking of outdated norms, strict laws with clear punishments are all needed in tandem.