Remove Red Beret area "Saaxo" from Puntland

[Shaolin23]

You know my stance on this my brother but if you would rather try your luck with salebaan then go ahead. We know what they’ve been doing to you guys for a long time. It’s clear ever since saaxo joined PL, the quality of life has gotten incredibly better for the wagardhac there. It’s pretty simple, either enjoy peace and development at the grace of PL or be hunted by salebaan until you permanently lose all ur land in central Somalia.

Ok lets get one thing straight HG and MX have been ruthlessly warring in GG/Mudug for hundreds of years HG has not ever been able to defeat or conquer MX i repeat never but something tipped the balance of power when the government fell in the 90s HG gained access to a port in Xamar and Marka and Abdullahi Yusuf 1993 peace deal allowed HG to fully monopolize that highway and created Baraxley making them focus all their attention on us the rusty old Siad Barre era aks and ZUUs are filled in C/waaq and Saaxo while MJ and HG have shiny brand new M16s and technicals so what gives where do we go from here a rock and hard place right

 

[Bobthebuilder]

Ok lets get one thing straight HG and MX have been ruthlessly warring in GG/Mudug for hundreds of years HG has not ever been able to defeat or conquer MX i repeat never but something tipped the balance of power when the government fell in the 90s HG gained access to a port in Xamar and Marka and Abdullahi Yusuf 1993 peace deal allowed HG to fully monopolize that highway and created Baraxley making them focus all their attention on us the rusty old Siad Barre era aks and ZUUs are filled in C/waaq and Saaxo while MJ and HG have shiny brand new M16s and technicals so what gives where do we go from here a rock and hard place right

We aren’t talking about the 90s, and honestly explaining all this doesn’t win you any sympathy points or solve anything. Address the current situation my brother.

 

[Shaolin23]

We aren’t talking about the 90s, and honestly explaining all this doesn’t win you any sympathy points or solve anything. Address the current situation my brother.

Nothing has changed in Mudug since the 90s just Wagerdhac constantly dying over nothing and making HG angrier by siding with Puntland HG hate Wagerdhac for nothing else but being MJs frontline soldiers i believe Wagerdhac will wake up and abandon this pro Puntland shit and make seperate deals with HG then its just you vs the H.ut.u hordes Darodism is a myth

 

[Mehmet]

So feisty

This post is so enjoyable to watch lol

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Darodism is now called Puntism and extends only to people who did not poison our wells.

Only true Puntites are our kin.

 

[repo]

@Shaolin23 logic is "we are being attacked by Galmudug so we will join Galmudug to spite Puntland who is not helping us". If that ain't the most f*cked up mentality I've ever seen...

 

[Lex Luther]

I like to think of myself as a realist and a strategic thinker so strategically there is no way Wagardhac can defeat Sacad or any other HG reason being geography and clan politics

1.MX has no access to ports or the north-south highway they would run out of supplies really quickly trying to war with HG MX has the manpower but not the logistics Cayr controls the southern part of highway Saleban the central and Sacad the north part of the highway

2. HG even though they are not in control of Xamar anymore can use qabil connections in Xamar to get resupplied there are no Daarood lands in between Xamar and Balanbale

3. Even if MJs decided to resupply Wagardhac they gave the south portion of Gaalkacyo to Sacad there is no way it would reach its destination with Sacad attacking, Puntland troops would literally have to intervene military but as we've seen time and time again in previous conflicts and most recently Kaxandhaale they are unwilling and/or unable to do so

4. Wagardhac cannot attack from inside Ethiopia where they have numbers only Liyuu Boolis can and have and thats only to keep the border areas peaceful for Ethiopia not to help Wagardhac in an offensive they are also seperated from other MX in C/waaq district by Saleebaan

5. Unlike Daaroods HG and Hawiye in general will never intentionally sabotage each other for a Daarood clan even though they don't like each other and won't help out each other out in war but they would never help Daaroods against their brothers something thats admirable

Don't let any MJ lie to you they are the most anti Daarood clan they are the only Darood clan that has the means to keep Hawiye and Issaq at bay and out of Daarood lands but they either too selfish or too cowardly or both Wagardhac should make overtures of peace to HG and join Galmudug in their quest to unite North and South Mudug as per the constitution

Very well stated and informed report n how the actual ground is, by day you are the most realist person here in Sspot




PS about at the point you made in 5. about when Hawiye help or don't help each other, you got that right, it's usually when the President is Hawiye that HG gets most support, just as Xaaf stated it's Farmaajo that denied him the new weapons out of fear of attacking mx as he said, but if there was an Hawiye President (like HSM did) the support would have arrived long ago, simply because HG will make it hard for the Hawiye President to function and govern properly just as how you see PM Kheyre struggling to govern the affairs which are made hard for him by HG.


HG are a cartel so supporting them is a matter of political survival for the Hawiyes politicians, yariisow is an example of a turncoat gone to the grave early.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Very well stated and informed report n how the actual ground is, by day you are the most realist person here in Sspot




PS about at the point you made in 5. about when Hawiye help or don't help each other, you got that right, it's usually when the President is Hawiye that HG gets most support, just as Xaaf stated it's Farmaajo that denied him the new weapons out of fear of attacking mx as he said, but if there was an Hawiye President (like HSM did) the support would have arrived long ago, simply because HG will make it hard for the Hawiye President to function and govern properly just as how you see PM Kheyre struggling to govern the affairs which are made hard for him by HG.


HG are a cartel so supporting them is a matter of political survival for the Hawiyes politicians, yariisow is an example of a turncoat gone to grave early.

You live in a post 91 to 2004 Somali view of HG. 2004 Till 2009 so your eventual demise, you were essentially disarmed in the south, you cannot control any port/airport/checkpoint anymore. The original southerners are taking over their assets and building their own army. This has proven to work as bimaal who is empowered again is already beginning the 'cayr buufis', this trend will continue through-out all the south as they see no more use for HG as the dynamics changed big time after halyaygi YEY. You are not assessing HG today based on 2019 dynamics, you live in a world that doesn't exist in the south today hence why you make calculated political moves that are not winning HG any benefits today except with their 'odayaal being beaten up' at airport, politicians raided by the security forces at their homes, constant dynamic changes of galmudug dominated by HAMAR. Let go lex it's over abdillahi yusuf destroyed u admit it

 

[Lex Luther]

You live in a post 91 to 2004 Somali view of HG. 2004 Till 2009 so your eventual demise, you were essentially disarmed in the south, you cannot control any port/airport/checkpoint anymore. The original southerners are taking over their assets and building their own army. This has proven to work as bimaal who is empowered again is already beginning the 'cayr buufis', this trend will continue through-out all the south as they see no more use for HG as the dynamics changed big time after halyaygi YEY. You are not assessing HG today based on 2019 dynamics, you live in a world that doesn't exist in the south today hence why you make calculated political moves that are not winning HG any benefits today except with their 'odayaal being beaten up' at airport, politicians raided by the security forces at their homes, constant dynamic changes of galmudug dominated by HAMAR. Let go lex it's over abdillahi yusuf destroyed u admit it

Of all the Hawiyes its HG that has it's own State, and that alone should tell you the power HG has.


Anyway Brother Dr.Osman of all the daroods the mjs should have been the most frightened in seeing functioning Galmudug, the Hobyo shir which is heading into 2 months should scare you, where all HGs (Sacad, Ceyr,Duduble,Saruur and Salebaan) are in attendance conspiring their next 100 years moves, Galmudug should scare you folks in Puntland simply because the next war in Galkacyo or northern mudug it won't be Sacad alone but a United clan front led by Sacad.

My analysis is not of me personal but based on the past history of the skirmishes northern mudug had, that the next one will be on the scale of 2 states going off in each other in Scorched Earth war.

Northern Mudug and Galkacyo can never be shared it must have one winner takes all, so believing it otherwise is foolish.

 

[Lex Luther]

@Shaolin23 logic is "we are being attacked by Galmudug so we will join Galmudug to spite Puntland who is not helping us". If that ain't the most f*cked up mentality I've ever seen...

You must admit though he's right, when HG invaded wagardhac months ago, Puntland was just watching afar and not lifting a single finger to help, a state's job is to defend it's citizen and since you folks claim Saaxo why didn't you folks aid them from HGs aggression??

That's unless you view mxs as second class citizens.

Even all the wagardhac mx dead and injureds were flown to Mogadishu (another HG homebase) for health care and not to Puntland, that alone should tell you on the dynamics between mx iyo mjs.

 

[DR OSMAN]

You must admit though he's right, when HG invaded wagardhac months ago, Puntland was just watching afar and not lifting a single finger to help, a state's job is to defend it's citizen and since you folks claim Saaxo why didn't you folks aid them from HGs aggression??

That's unless you view mxs as second class citizens.

Even all the wagardhac mx dead and injureds were flown to Mogadishu (another HG homebase) for health care and not to Puntland, that alone should tell you on the dynamics between mx iyo mjs.

You dumb ass you had one ally in the north only. HY and @Bohol and even they are seeing your demise today, your not living in a post 91-2004 era of bililiqo, isbaaro, and controlling key assets, and thanking unsom for disarming the south while u hid your weapons in the north. These days are gone, even the north wants nothing to do with you as they see the writing on the walls for your clan. HY has allied with PL because it's the reality. It controls a port, airport, land-connection points into the north that can support their over-all vision of displacing Jeegaan and controlling berbera and hargeisa while they do same thing you did to the southern settled population, TERRORIZE them into fear and control of the state.

You have no real allies left beyond some 'hang overs in marehan' and their becoming less n less as they can't even deny the reality anymore @Shaolin23 in laga guulaystay HG, only their online chatters are in support of you none of their true elders who see it as bad move to be near you anymore.

North/South deal with abdirahman tuur and caydid was your last link to the north, they switched from you also besides some livin in the dreams of united hawiye rampaging thru PL and Harti areas and subjectating and creating a division of power for irirism of north and south. Niyahow sheekadasi manta lama joggo, you still hold onto dreams that won't eventuate.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Lex Luther U had the support of all irir. From djibouti, to Isaaq, to Hawiye all backed under you as USC. You harmed yourself wallahi, as HG always do, your clan cannot agree within the internal areas of yourselves. PL saw this as a loophole to navigate and it navigated it well. It wasn't PL who destroyed you, you just left yourself open bro, your biggest enemy is other HG not Darod or Isaaq or even Hawiye. If HG unite with a common direction, this will be a serious concern but everyone has accepted that this outcome will not happen. Especially after u guys refused Abdiqasim and said you cant come into hamar and form a government, he finished his time in a damn HOTEL in nairobi. Markas bay idin ka quusteen Irirka Isaaq iyo Hawiyaha kale and they all voted for ABDILLAHI YUSUF in the next election and today we have that legacy remaining.

Wallahi irirku they gave u niggas so many chances to take over the nation, u just kept letting them down constantly with HG infighting, xasuuq of civilians, rape, loot, etc. Anyways that's the past bro, we can't keep living in the past but examine where ur problem is. They gave 'yey' one chance after they saw abdiqasim couldnt even unite his clan and allow him into hamar as they were the powerhouse then. Thats when Irir said f*ck you moryans and gave abdillahi yusuf the driver seat and guess what HE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT small opportunity because it may of never returned. Abdillahi capitalized, bombed all the bakaraha, took over the checkpoints, airports, port, and villa somalia. Continued bombing the f*ck out of bakaraha and all your assets. Then passed on leadership to HAWIYE to continue the massacre on you and this legacy continues. Even @embarassing deep down hates your guts too bro. They gave u the keys to somalia and you fuckin destroyed it by yourselves and wasted ppl time in 91-2004 into bililiqo, green lines, rape, loot, they saw u aint about government building but the icing on the cake was when u refused abdiqasim salat even Qanyare then said GIVE THE POWER TO MAJERTEN

 

[sanger]

Of all the Hawiyes its HG that has it's own State, and that alone should tell you the power HG has.


Anyway Brother Dr.Osman of all the daroods the mjs should have been the most frightened in seeing functioning Galmudug, the Hobyo shir which is heading into 2 months should scare you, where all HGs (Sacad, Ceyr,Duduble,Saruur and Salebaan) are in attendance conspiring their next 100 years moves, Galmudug should scare you folks in Puntland simply because the next war in Galkacyo or northern mudug it won't be Sacad alone but a United clan front led by Sacad.

My analysis is not of me personal but based on the past history of the skirmishes northern mudug had, that the next one will be on the scale of 2 states going off in each other in Scorched Earth war.

Northern Mudug and Galkacyo can never be shared it must have one winner takes all, so believing it otherwise is foolish.

Hirshebelle is not a hawiye state?

 

[Lex Luther]

Hirshebelle is not a hawiye state?

Hirshabelle is an unified Hawiyes shared state, where in Galmudug it's an totalitarian HG state where no Hawiye shares power with, and this is what greatly increases our strength in Somalia.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@embarassing thinks Kheyre won HG, this guy is nuts and not real murusade like qanyare who gave up on HG after 91-2004 when he saw all they brought was chaos, anarchy, looting ,raping, and wars. T he icing on the cake was abdiqasim salat who said my 'tol' won't let in in hamar, i have to spend my govt in hotel in nairobi. Qanyare said f*ck you moryan and voted Abdillahi yusuf. All hawiye gave up on HG that day and it's a shame embarassing thinks a karanle can unite HG when abdiqasim an cayr couldnt.

 

[sanger]

Hirshabelle is an unified Hawiyes shared state, where in Galmudug it's an totalitarian HG state where no Hawiye shares power with, and this is what greatly increases our strength in Somalia.

No wonder Galmudug is a complete joke. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Lex Luther]

No wonder Galmudug is a complete joke. Thanks for pointing that out.

What's happening in Galmudug right now is simply our version of the 2000s mj war (CM vs Cisa&Cusman) and of Isaaq habro wars of 1994/7, Galmudug is still resolving it's HG ruler in it's mini civil war.

Once resolved Galmudug will usher a new Dawn.

 

[DR OSMAN]

What's happening in Galmudug right now is simply our version of the 2000s mj war (CM vs Cisa&Cusman) and of Isaaq habro wars of 1994/7, Galmudug is still resolving it's HG ruler in it's mini civil war.

Once resolved Galmudug will usher a new Dawn.

Tell this loser karanle @embarassing even abdiqasim wasn't allowed into Hamar when HG had all the power in the city, even HG can't create a leader for themselves. There was only one man who did that and you know who he is. Osman mahmoud clan man named Keenadiid. Only I have the right to attend a HG unity conference and serve as Sultan like it always used to be. At least I have some history of proof that I spawned their greatest warriors and nationalists in Somali history after I became their sultan. Tell this Karanle to stop wasting his time like @embarassing cuz he shows his lack of depth in somali culture, tradition, and history and is booty clapper of Kheyre due to murusade linkages. Tell him please u wud prefer me over him

Tell this loser how HG view karanle, be honest with him at least that u consider him KUWAIT and disarmed in a day. U consider him so weak he can't even handle elbur on his own with duduble let alone HG. When u have that sort of reputation, how do u expect HG to take your advice. How can he take your advice when you fled el-bur yaa keleb and made it an empty town today. The only hikma u provide is how to flee your own TOWN and how to be FKN KUWAIT IN A DAY looooooooool

 

[Sheikh]

You must admit though he's right, when HG invaded wagardhac months ago, Puntland was just watching afar and not lifting a single finger to help, a state's job is to defend it's citizen and since you folks claim Saaxo why didn't you folks aid them from HGs aggression??

That's unless you view mxs as second class citizens.

Even all the wagardhac mx dead and injureds were flown to Mogadishu (another HG homebase) for health care and not to Puntland, that alone should tell you on the dynamics between mx iyo mjs.

Wagardhac won that match lol. They karbashed you in their deegaan Kaxandaale. MX Wagardhac geesiyaal wounded fighters went to Cabudwaaq for treatment and now are great alx. They're royal citizens wherever they go landeeres

 

[sanger]

What's happening in Galmudug right now is simply our version of the 2000s mj war (CM vs Cisa&Cusman) and of Isaaq habro wars of 1994/7, Galmudug is still resolving it's HG ruler in it's mini civil war.

Once resolved Galmudug will usher a new Dawn.

What MJ wars of the 2000s? Are you making up wars.

The intra isaaq war was between 94 and 95. It didn't go on for very long, and the destruction wasn't great.