R/africa discussing if Somalis believe their arabs or not

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Somalis in the comments gave a good response overall it was a good discussion outside of one or two trolls

 

[Garaad Awal]

Anyone with West Eurasian ancestry in Africa and it shows up in their phenotype is seen as an “Arab invader” according to pro-Niger-Congoists. Somalis,Nubians, Egyptians, Habeshas, Berbers are a bunch of “invaders” to them

 

[bobby_hill-Punt]

Somalis in the comments gave a good response overall it was a good discussion outside of one or two trolls

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[TheLand]

It’s partly our own fault for all of the ana carab shit and the fake historical Arab tribal forefathers that plays into their narratives about us so well

 

[gasara]

Lowkey I’ve only heard of this conversation online never irl in the diaspora or back home.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Lowkey I’ve only heard of this conversation online never irl in the diaspora or back home.

Look what I just seen on twitter

 

[Keep it a boqol]

Exhausted topic. How about africans start talking about how mama african Habeshas claim to be the product of a one night stand between the queen of sheba and prophet solomon (as) aoodubilah

 

[gasara]

Look what I just seen on twitter

They using photos of muslim Somalis. I hate these dumb AI vids.

 

[bobby_hill-Punt]

It’s partly our own fault for all of the ana carab shit and the fake historical Arab tribal forefathers that plays into their narratives about us so well

We are actually closer to North African then to the madows

https://x.com/HussleMase/status/1699051291924689009/video/1

 

[Garaad Awal]

Exhausted topic. How about africans start talking about how mama african Habeshas claim to be the product of a one night stand between the queen of sheba and prophet solomon (as) aoodubilah

The Madow minorities of Ethiopia are pretty much waging war against Cushitic/Semitic Ethiopians online claiming only they are indigenous. This is mostly those Nilotic Ethios waging this online war and declaring themselves the “real Ethiopians”.

I’m pretty sure Bantus from Somalia & the Benadiris have also waged this online discourse that Cushitic speaking Somaloids of Somalia (especially Banadir, SW State & JL) aren’t indigenous to region.

 

[Nilotic]

The Madow minorities of Ethiopia are pretty much waging war against Cushitic/Semitic Ethiopians online claiming only they are indigenous. This is mostly those Nilotic Ethios waging this online war and declaring themselves the “real Ethiopians”.

I’m pretty sure Bantus from Somalia & the Benadiris have also waged this online discourse that Cushitic speaking Somaloids of Somalia (especially Banadir, SW State & JL) aren’t indigenous to region.

The only Nilotes in Ethiopia are the Anyuak and the Nuer; the Anyuak arrived in Ethiopia in around the 1600s; and the Nuer arrived in Ethiopia in the late 1800s. It would make zero sense for these communities to say something like that.

The closely related Suri and Mursi people (another Nilo-Saharan group) of the Omo Valley have been in that part of Ethiopia for thousands of years.

 

[Garaad Awal]

The only Nilotes in Ethiopia are the Anyuak and the Nuer; the Anyuak arrived in Ethiopia in around the 1600s; and the Nuer arrived in Ethiopia in the late 1800s. It would make zero sense for these communities to say something like that.

Well I’ve seen them say it. They are also super attached to the Ethiopian label. Think it’s some form of self-hatred as if being associated with genetically Cushitic Ethiopia is better than being mistakened as South Sudanese.

The closely related Suri and Mursi people (another Nilo-Saharan group) of the Omo Valley have been in that part of Ethiopia for thousands of years.

Omotic folks with genetic profiles like the Ancient Mots individual are the true indigenous of the Horn and predate Cushites.

 

[Nilotic]

Well I’ve seen them say it. They are also super attached to the Ethiopian label. Think it’s some form of self-hatred as if being associated with genetically Cushitic Ethiopia is better than being mistakened as South Sudanese.

Well, the Nuer are super proud and wouldn't even want to be associated with Habesh, so I don't think it's them.

I've met some Anyuak that wanted to be associated with Ethiopia for some strange reason; and I'm rarely rude, but I just call them South Sudanese, whether they like it or not.

Omotic folks with genetic profiles like the Ancient Mots individual are the true indigenous of the Horn and predate Cushites.

As I understand it, they also speak Afro-Asiatic languages that predate the other branches of Afro-Asiatic. Is this true?

 

[Garaad Awal]

I've met some Anyuak that wanted to be associated with Ethiopia for some strange reason; and I'm rarely rude, but I just call them South Sudanese, whether they like it or not.

Are those Anuyak the same as the Gambella? Or a different ethnicity?

As I understand it, they also speak Afro-Asiatic languages that predate the other branches of Afro-Asiatic. Is this true?

I’m pretty sure they were language shifted by whoever brought the Omotic languages from NE Africa. Some of them carry West Eurasian but not sure if it’s from Cushites or from a much older wave of NE Africans. The Niko-Saharan Gumuz seem to also be admixed with significant Mota ancestry

 

[Nilotic]

Are those Anuyak the same as the Gambella? Or a different ethnicity?

Yes, the Anyuak are the Nilotes of Gambella; the Nuer live there too, however, they're more recent and don't at all feel attached to Ethiopians. The Nuer are a martial people and were able to resist any all attempts to enslave them by the Habesh.

I’m pretty sure they were language shifted by whoever brought the Omotic languages from NE Africa. Some of them carry West Eurasian but not sure if it’s from Cushites or from a much older wave of NE Africans. The Niko-Saharan Gumuz seem to also be admixed with significant Mota ancestry

Very informative, mate. Thanks for this. I'll do some further research on these things

 

[Yami]

Look what I just seen on twitter

The replies are embarassing

 

[bobby_hill-Punt]

Look what I just seen on twitter

This is the same person using old pic from 1900's of Us and claim it was before we became Muslim. We shouldn't give any attention to these people. All they want is to steal our history and land once people claim black, which is the erasure of our identity culture history and land ownership.

 

[garaase]

Lowkey I’ve only heard of this conversation online never irl in the diaspora or back home.

stop the cap. diaspora maybe but majority of people north of gaalkacyo truly believe their forefathers were arabs and consider themselves as arabs.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

"Arab Forefather" is a vicious sickness that infects two clans in Somalia, we all know which ones. Thankfully, the disease is being cured.

 

[kiinjaamacluvrr]

Somalis in the comments gave a good response overall it was a good discussion outside of one or two trolls

madows have an unhealthy obsession with somali features and our features ancestry