Muslim Twitter debates the existence of 'male hoors'

[Mudug_gyal]

Angie, do you ever get tired of this cycle? I'm genuinely asking.

Every single day, you come on here and encounter another hateful Muslim guy spewing misogynistic rhetoric and you counter the arguments they make for our subjugation being 'halal'. Then the next morning, they return with new arguments to justify our lesser value, for you to refute once more, and the cycle continues.

It's like we have to negotiate our right to JUST exist as Muslim women, to f*cking breathe. I couldn't even pose hypotheticals of experiencing various pleasures in Jannah, without being berated for 'cucking my husband' (despite me being quite literally unmarried), advocating for homosexuality in Jannah (despite my initial post being a joke and he knows that) and pushing immorality despite him not being active in the NSFW section condemning real immorality there

What's the point of engaging with the wider Muslim community at this point? Shouldn't we just isolate ourselves and interact with sisters only at this point?

Even gaalo women who put up with higher rates of SA and domestic violence don't have to put up with this specific type of psychological warfare, where their mere female existence is treated with suspicion and a whole lot of 'slippery slope' fallacy, so what's the point?

Abayo, we have the privilege of not being at the mercy of muslim men as we live in western countries. We need to speak up for the poor muslim women who have no rights back home. Yes ur right its pointless to talk to them

 

[Nin123]

Me asf

When I was young the Quran teacher told us we can have anything in janah. I wanted Pokémon animals in jannah with me.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

The irony of you asking this question? Walaal you are doing islam a disservice by your shallow misogynistic toned arguments. Its ok to say youre not educated on a certain topic. Cheers

I posed that & similar questions as everything walaasha said revolved around not being free as a man. I'm the one doing islam a disservice ? what about the person who has fantasies of engaging in homosexual and cuckoldry relations in jannah ? can i ask why you're ignoring this

 

[Mudug_gyal]

I posed that & similar questions as everything walaasha said revolved around not being free as a man. I'm the one doing islam a disservice ? what about the person who has fantasies of engaging in homosexual and cuckoldry relations in jannah ? can i ask why you're ignoring this

Yes exactly not as free as a man according to you men. Its you guys that want the idea of a restricted jannah for women. All im saying is that you havent stepped into jannah to know whats permissible or not. You need to stop policing muslim women.

 

[Do]

Sxb watch this video if you doubt Islam is the truth

If I remember correctly, @Ozymandias said he's been gaal for 10 years, you can't undo all that with a 10-minute video, saaxib. It is what it is.

 

[Yaraye]

An example of some of these females on this forum

This is their mentality

Nothing wrong with my mentality

Here's an odd thing. Every time you want to point out a "negative" aspect about some woman's mentality, you always use my post as an example. You got a personal problem? kind of tired of you summoning me

 

[Angelina]

I posed that & similar questions as everything walaasha said revolved around not being free as a man. I'm the one doing islam a disservice ? what about the person who has fantasies of engaging in homosexual and cuckoldry relations in jannah ? can i ask why you're ignoring this

You’re doing a major disservice when it comes to women. You’re in fact causing a major schism for people since you have 0 idea when it comes to female nature or wants. But you still talk out of turn.

You unironically don’t understand that a lot of women’s restrictions is due to men. Hijab= due to men’s lust. That’s why hijab is a struggle for women. It’s not something they naturally want. Women like to beautify themselves. This isn't about wanting to be free like a man whom you mistakenly argue but it's about women losing freedoms due to men.

Travel without a Mahram= due to male violence of abuse and r-word.

It’s not the same as restrictions like Gold and silk in which Allah has simply made it something for women in the Dunya, but even then in heaven this male restriction is overturned for men. Clearly men aren’t governed by the gender restrictions of the dunya. I thought freedoms and allowances of each gender would stay that way in heaven? According to your logic? Why does that theory not include men?

Hence it’s incredibly demoralizing and down right insane for Muslim women to hear that even in Paradise they can’t escape men’s nature and that they’re governed by that in a place in which men are meant to be free of such sickness. Funny how you’ll believe that in Jannah women would be ok with sharing their husband with 72 women when we know in the dunya female nature is for women to be really jealous and sad at the concept. Yet Allah will rid women of this feeling, yet in the same breath you argue that Allah won’t also change the nature of man? So you believe that man would still not lower his gaze and lust for what isn't his? Why is that? So in your premise, the things that don’t benefit men that will end up being a restriction such as female jealousy and being territorial, Allah will rid women of that, but women’s want of not being restricted by male nature of violence and the like hence why travelling alone for women has been restricted won’t be dealt with? So in your view, Allah will restrict women who have strived in the dunya instead of alleviating men of their flaws? How does that make any sense?

According to Islamqa on the topic:

In Paradise, there will be no evil looks or sickness of the heart such that a woman will be required to cover her face, and it is not the place for striving or commands or prohibitions, as ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Today is for striving with no reckoning and tomorrow is for reckoning with no striving.” Narrated by al-Bayhaqi in Shu’ab al-Eemaan (10614); narrated by al-Bukhaari in a mu’allaq report in Baab al-Aml wa Tooliha, in Kitaab al-Riqaaq.


Your version of paradise sounds incredibly self-serving of only male interest and anyone with a brain can see it that who has enough intellectual capabilities to question you. You’re so arrogant and self-righteous that you’ll fail to truly open your eyes as to how sexist your paradigm is and why no woman should ever listen to you since you’ll do nothing but lower their imaan.

It’s why most scholars wouldn’t say what you’re tried to imply, hence it is better for you to be quiet. No scholar would ever compare lack of hijab to homosexuality. Many scholars have been asked this with many saying women won’t have to wear it since Jannah isn’t a place of prohibition. So who the hell are you, like truly who are you?

This is my last reply since it’s hard for women to even engage with men with your thought process. Believe me, even if you were to speak to the most practicing and God fearing woman, may Allah make all of us amongst them, would wince at your apparent mindset of restrictions of women and it is a reason why scholars wouldn’t argue such a thing. The sad reality is that men like you force your thoughts on to us and if we truly think and feel different to your assumptions of how we should, it’s because we’re trying to be men or influenced by feminism. There is no winning when it comes to this. But the reverse is never the case. Men wanting what is usually reserved for women like gold and silk in the deen is natural and Allah has allowed it but not wanting hijab isn’t?! Do you see how easy it is to unravel your logic?

The jokes writes itself.

 

[Homerlilian]

If I remember correctly, @Ozymandias said he's been gaal for 10 years, you can't undo all that with a 10-minute video, saaxib. It is what it is.

Let a Nigga do his dawah @DojaKhat

 

[Gacmeey]

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[Do]

Let a Nigga do his dawah @DojaKhat

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Haye haye, I just felt like pointing out the futility in his approach. I'll back off.

 

[Ladylike]

To be honest there was a time I sue to say even in Jannah I want to be single lol that’s how much burden a man can look to a women. There aren’t many men worth desiring that we wish to have them in jannah we put up with a lot when dealing with men. While m sure there are plenty of good men however the odds are against us as women. When I think of heaven men don’t come to my mind at all.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Take one good look at that man on here, whose sole purpose is to try to bully women out of Islam, and then ask yourselves, why women choose bear over 'man'. And why so-called Muslim men are viewed as hostile, aggressive, chauvinists by the entire world. I'd rather risk 10 bears in the woods, than ever in my life, encounter such men in real life, because I'd probably catch a case the way my temper is set up. It's not just the fact that they are capable of physical abuse, they are also very fond of 'psychological warfare' as @DojaKhat so aptly put it.
I find it disturbing, that the ones who style themselves as religious on here, are among the most hateful and repulsive. They remind me of those angry faced, hostile 'preachers' with podcasts, whose sole purpose is to tell women what to do every. single. day.

Not long ago, I saw this crowd, saying that women can't even wear coats, that show they have shoulders. They also pile onto newly converted women, such as that Meghan lady on TikTok. I wonder who they think they serve, Allah SWT, or Shaytaan? Because not even gaalo preachers, atheists etc, are as powerful as them, when it comes to pushing people away from Islam.

 

[Do]

Take one good look at that man on here, whose sole purpose is to try to bully women out of Islam, and then ask yourselves, why women choose bear over 'man'. And why so-called Muslim men are viewed as hostile, aggressive, chauvinists by the entire world. I'd rather risk 10 bears in the woods, than ever in my life, encounter such men in real life, because I'd probably catch a case the way my temper is set up. It's not just the fact that they are capable of physical abuse, they are also very fond of 'psychological warfare' as @DojaKhat so aptly put it.
I find it disturbing, that the ones who style themselves as religious on here, are among the most hateful and repulsive. They remind me of those angry faced, hostile 'preachers' with podcasts, whose sole purpose is to tell women what to do every. single. day.

Not long ago, I saw this crowd, saying that women can't even wear coats, that show they have shoulders. They also pile onto newly converted women, such as that Meghan lady on TikTok. I wonder who they think they serve, Allah SWT, or Shaytaan? Because not even gaalo preachers, atheists etc, are as powerful as them, when it comes to pushing people away from Islam.

I've concisely summarised the specific method of the 'psychological warfare' I mentioned on my last thread regarding Muslim Twitter here:

It's the real reason women take issue with the style of "enjoining good and forbidding evil" they subscribe to.

But when I attempt to explain it, they respond to you with the specific hadeeth that speaks of women in Jahannam to tell you that that's your final destination and that your justified concerns as a woman are actually a manifestation of that hadeeth being proven correct.

I've given up. I fear more women will become gaal due to this, including myself.

May Allah (SWT) protect us.

 

[Angelina]

Even in 7th century Arabia at the time of our dear Prophet s.a.w, women asked him, what about women? Why does it seem like everything is for men? Women voiced the same feelings we had, during a time with no feminism and a time in which the average Sahabi women had 10x the imaan we have. Yet when we questioned why a certain posters narrative of heaven is based on female restriction and why their version of heaven is one of hijab and prohibitions whilst men are allowed Gold and silk which is haram in the dunya for men specifically btw, we are hit with the lazy and the manipulative point that we must be influenced by Westernization/Feminism. The idea of women having wants much bigger than their own ideas of what women ought to want is something they cannot fathom.

Read this interesting hadith:

Umm Umarah al-Ansariyyah said that she went to the Prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him) and said to Him: "I feel that everything is for men. Women are not mentioned as having anything. Then was revealed the Verse (translation of the meaning): {For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women etc}, Verse 35, Surat al-Ahzab, or the Confederates. The Hadith is narrated by at-Tirmidhi under No. 3211, and is in Sahih at-Tirmidhi under No. 2565.

This feeling isn't new, it isn't influenced by modernization, it isn't influenced by feminism. It is simply human nature to feel this way. Men who know nothing of the female nature and psyche or even fully understand our humanity cannot be reasoned with. Women have been questioning what they get and why it seems men get more since the 7th century and our dear Prophet s.a.w was patient enough to speak to women about it.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

You’re doing a major disservice when it comes to women. You’re in fact causing a major schism for people since you have 0 idea when it comes to female nature or wants. But you still talk out of turn.

You unironically don’t understand that a lot of women’s restrictions is due to men. Hijab= due to men’s lust. That’s why hijab is a struggle for women. It’s not something they naturally want. Women like to beautify themselves. This isn't about wanting to be free like a man whom you mistakenly argue but it's about women losing freedoms due to men.

Travel without a Mahram= due to male violence of abuse and r-word.

It’s not the same as restrictions like Gold and silk in which Allah has simply made it something for women in the Dunya, but even then in heaven this male restriction is overturned for men. Clearly men aren’t governed by the gender restrictions of the dunya. I thought freedoms and allowances of each gender would stay that way in heaven? According to your logic? Why does that theory not include men?

Hence it’s incredibly demoralizing and down right insane for Muslim women to hear that even in Paradise they can’t escape men’s nature and that they’re governed by that in a place in which men are meant to be free of such sickness. Funny how you’ll believe that in Jannah women would be ok with sharing their husband with 72 women when we know in the dunya female nature is for women to be really jealous and sad at the concept. Yet Allah will rid women of this feeling, yet in the same breath you argue that Allah won’t also change the nature of man? So you believe that man would still not lower his gaze and lust for what isn't his? Why is that? So in your premise, the things that don’t benefit men that will end up being a restriction such as female jealousy and being territorial, Allah will rid women of that, but women’s want of not being restricted by male nature of violence and the like hence why travelling alone for women has been restricted won’t be dealt with? So in your view, Allah will restrict women who have strived in the dunya instead of alleviating men of their flaws? How does that make any sense?

According to Islamqa on the topic:

In Paradise, there will be no evil looks or sickness of the heart such that a woman will be required to cover her face, and it is not the place for striving or commands or prohibitions, as ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Today is for striving with no reckoning and tomorrow is for reckoning with no striving.” Narrated by al-Bayhaqi in Shu’ab al-Eemaan (10614); narrated by al-Bukhaari in a mu’allaq report in Baab al-Aml wa Tooliha, in Kitaab al-Riqaaq.


Your version of paradise sounds incredibly self-serving of only male interest and anyone with a brain can see it that who has enough intellectual capabilities to question you. You’re so arrogant and self-righteous that you’ll fail to truly open your eyes as to how sexist your paradigm is and why no woman should ever listen to you since you’ll do nothing but lower their imaan.

It’s why most scholars wouldn’t say what you’re tried to imply, hence it is better for you to be quiet. No scholar would ever compare lack of hijab to homosexuality. Many scholars have been asked this with many saying women won’t have to wear it since Jannah isn’t a place of prohibition. So who the hell are you, like truly who are you?

This is my last reply since it’s hard for women to even engage with men with your thought process. Believe me, even if you were to speak to the most practicing and God fearing woman, may Allah make all of us amongst them, would wince at your apparent mindset of restrictions of women and it is a reason why scholars wouldn’t argue such a thing. The sad reality is that men like you force your thoughts on to us and if we truly think and feel different to your assumptions of how we should, it’s because we’re trying to be men or influenced by feminism. There is no winning when it comes to this. But the reverse is never the case. Men wanting what is usually reserved for women like gold and silk in the deen is natural and Allah has allowed it but not wanting hijab isn’t?! Do you see how easy it is to unravel your logic?

The jokes writes itself.

There’s a deeper issue that you’re not addressing and that’s why is it that your portrayal of female freedom doesn’t go beyond hijab & travel restrictions? are these 2 the epitome of what defines freedom for a woman ?

As men Islam has also set clear guidelines & limits in how we must dress, interact, and carry ourselves around women. These rules & etiquettes are there for our benefit and it’s important that we look at it from this perspective. This is what needs to internalised and not the outlook of loosing freedom

If I viewed the command to lower my gaze as nothing more than a restriction of my freedom it will have a negative impact on me. As I’ll be questioning myself why do I need to act in a manner that pleases a woman. Such thoughts in the long run either lead to an outcome where I stop lowering my gaze completely or just do it without any conviction.


Allah commands both men & women to lower their gaze so why are you singling out men & focus on their lusts? Shouldn’t you be focusing on rectifying your “flaws” as a woman after all the command applies to you as well. There’s much that can be said about your depiction of gender but I’ll suffice with the above example to show you just how important prior assumptions about any given matter affect everything that comes after it.

Nothing will change unless you hold yourself accountable for your own actions and act accordingly by being just. At least this way we can come to a more reasonable understanding despite our differences.

 

[Angelina]

It is not appropriate or befitting to the modesty and dignity of women, to speak of what there will be for them in Paradise, in a manner similar to what a man will have of al-hoor al-‘een. Undoubtedly the Arab character and modesty respects women too much to mention what they will have in that regard. It is sufficient to note that she will have of bliss in Paradise whatever her heart desires and will delight her eyes.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/295137/does-the-quran-mention-the-bliss-of-the-believing-women-in-paradise

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

Yes exactly not as free as a man according to you men. It’s you guys that want the idea of a restricted jannah for women. All im saying is that you havent stepped into jannah to know whats permissible or not. You need to stop policing muslim women.

Weren’t you the one lamenting about bad it is to be a woman simply because you weren’t given what men were ?

If being against homosexuality & cuckoldry in Jannah amounts to restricting and policing women from what they’re entitled to in Jannah then you too are guilty of it as you’re against women engaging in incest & bestiality in jannah.

You make remarks about men being misogynists, a disservice to islam & whatnot yet you argue for the promotion of the most reprehensible vices in Jannah of all places.

 

[نور]

قال الله تعالى: ولا تتمنوا ما فضل الله به بعضكم على بعض للرجال نصيب مما اكتسبوا وللنساء نصيب مما اكتسبن واسألوا الله من فضله إن الله كان بكل شيء عليما

And wish not for the things in which Allah has made some of you to excel others. For men there is reward for what they have earned, (and likewise) for women there is reward for what they have earned....

 

[Angelina]

There’s a deeper issue that you’re not addressing and that’s why is it that your portrayal of female freedom doesn’t go beyond hijab & travel restrictions? are these 2 the epitome of what defines freedom for a woman ?



As men Islam has also set clear guidelines & limits in how we must dress, interact, and carry ourselves around women. These rules & etiquettes are there for our benefit and it’s important that we look at it from this perspective. This is what needs to internalised and not the outlook of loosing freedom


If I viewed the command to lower my gaze as nothing more than a restriction of my freedom it will have a negative impact on me. As I’ll be questioning myself why do I need to act in a manner that pleases a woman. Such thoughts in the long run either lead to an outcome where I stop lowering my gaze completely or just do it without any conviction


Allah commands both men & women to lower their gaze so why are you singling out men & focus on their lusts? Shouldn’t you be focusing on rectifying your “flaws” as a woman after all the command applies to you as well. There’s much that can be said about your depiction of gender but I’ll suffice with the above example to show you just how important prior assumptions about any given matter affect everything that comes after it.

Nothing will change unless you hold yourself accountable for your own actions and act accordingly by being just. At least this way we can come to a more reasonable understanding despite our differences.

1. Let me address the first part in which you say why is women’s freedom based on hijab and travel. I can easily ask you, why is men’s freedom based on sleeping with hundreds of women, wearing gold and silk (specially haram for men but allowed for women) and drinking wine. All of those things are allowed in Jannah whilst immoral in the dunya because those are things that humans want. Why do humans see this as freedoms despite Allah restricting it? Do you see how we can go deeper with your questioning? This is why I reject your premise because it’s based on sexism and anyone can see this. You’ll question why women would want something that’s haram in the dunya, whilst most haram things men want have been allowed for you in.

2. Women and hijab: Furthermore, You’re by-passing the fact that the Quran itself tells women to wear hijab due to the annoyance of men. Even reading the Ibn Kathir explanation makes it clear. Do I deny the Quraan to appease you? Is it not clear why women were first commanded to wear hijab? The men were harassing free women. To deny this is to deny Quranic explainations. This isn’t my depiction of why women wear hijab but a historical fact even shown to us in the Quraan. Hence my question is, do you believe that men will continue to harass and lust after random women in paradise? Are we to be treated as such even in heaven?

3. Flaws: Jannah is a place in which flaws are indeed taken away. The same way women grapple with immense jealousy and Allah takes that away from the hearts of women, men as a class will be cleansed from their need to harass women that aren’t clad in hijab. It goes both ways. If you truly believe that heaven isn’t a place of envy, sorrow, evilness ect, why do you disbelief that Allah will stop the behaviors of men as well? Also, why did you ignore the Islamqa point which is the same as mine?

‘In Paradise, there will be no evil looks or sickness of the heart such that a woman will be required to cover her face, and it is not the place for striving or commands or prohibitions, as ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Today is for striving with no reckoning and tomorrow is for reckoning with no striving.” Narrated by al-Bayhaqi in Shu’ab al-Eemaan (10614); narrated by al-Bukhaari in a mu’allaq report in Baab al-Aml wa Tooliha, in Kitaab al-Riqaaq.’

The fact that you ignored that point and you still doubled down tells me you’re arrogant. Why double down when we know that in heaven the reasons for hijab wouldn’t be there?



4: Limits for men: Also, as for your point about Allah also giving and setting limits to men, i’m glad you mentioned that, but you’ve unwittingly scored an own goal and goes to show you don’t truly read what I write and argue for the sake of it. I’ve explored that in depth and this is my argument:

Yes and those limits are ect like Gold, silk ect which is only for women in the dunya ect. The restrictions you face in the Dunya which is seen as only for women would be something you as a man can indulge in Jannah. You’re not allowed Gold now, you’re not allowed Silk, yet in Jannah those prohibitions are lifted. Why is the prohibitions placed on you lifted, yet you think the prohibitions placed on women won’t? The only explanation that one will come to when it comes to your assessment is that you think men have more rights to their desires and bliss in Jannah, It’s as simple as that and why you’ll find no woman will ever take your arguments seriously.


5. Why I will always reject your premise and so should all women:

We will never come to a reasonable understanding since you fail to read or ever try and see things from a woman’s perspective. When we women question for do men get this and that, what did you try to do? You insinuated feminism and outside influences, but we even have Hadiths from the 7th century of Sahabi women asking the same thing, they even went further and asked our dear Prophet s.a.w ‘why does it feel like everything is for men?’ A jahil like you would have rebutted these women and say they’re trying to be men or comparing themselves to men.

You believe that all the restrictions Allah placed on men are free game for you in Jannah like the gold, silk( originally only being allowed for women) being with hundreds of women essentially, drinking wine ect. All that I’ve mentioned are the things men on average in the dunya crave. Drinking, women, wine and silk. But Allah barred that but allows it in Jannah. Why? Because those are the freedoms whilst haram are what man craves. I can use your line of thinking on you? Why would man crave what Allah said they shouldn’t? Allah knows the psychological aspect of humans and understands that this dunya is a test for men and women.

8: Why I think you should stop being arrogant and hold yourself accountable and why I think your Islamic knowledge is lacking:

Funnily enough, you believe that the restrictions placed on women will continue like hijab ect from your perspective and you also have the audacity to question why women obviously wouldn’t be happy about it. There is a reason why no scholar ever says women will be wearing hijab, or talks in such a manner. Hence I suggest that you stay in your lane. You’re so arrogant that you don’t realize you’re causing major issues with your sexist line of thought that can easily be reversed on you.


Also, you need to hold yourself accountable and stop being ignorant. The restrictions we have in the dunya are indeed prohibitations and restrictions and Jannah is a place in which a lot of that is lifted. Islamic scholars also note this as well when asked if women will wear hijab:


‘Paradise is the abode of bliss and not the abode of responsibilities. The Muslim should not ask too many questions about what is in Paradise, with regard to matters that he may think of as restrictions or hardships.’

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We are told that as Muslims, the dunya is a prison for the believer, why is that? Because we strive for Allah’s laws and take heed of restrictions because in the Hereafter a lot of what we were denied in heaven would be made available to us. For example, look at this Hadith:

‘In the authentic narration, Aisha had a group of women, who were passing by, who had beautified themselves excessively. When she passed by them she looked at them and said:

“Enjoy it in this world! For it is for you in this world, for us in the hereafter.”



What does that tell you Adoonka? She literally says that these gaal women enjoy beautifying themselves in the dunya with no hijab, but we Muslim women would be able to do that in Jannah if we follow Allah’s commands.

Hence, instead of lecturing me, have a bit of humility because men like you will indeed lead women astray due to your lack of wisdom. Read the Hadith above and learn a thing or two.

 

[Mudug_gyal]

You’re doing a major disservice when it comes to women. You’re in fact causing a major schism for people since you have 0 idea when it comes to female nature or wants. But you still talk out of turn.

You unironically don’t understand that a lot of women’s restrictions is due to men. Hijab= due to men’s lust. That’s why hijab is a struggle for women. It’s not something they naturally want. Women like to beautify themselves. This isn't about wanting to be free like a man whom you mistakenly argue but it's about women losing freedoms due to men.

Travel without a Mahram= due to male violence of abuse and r-word.

It’s not the same as restrictions like Gold and silk in which Allah has simply made it something for women in the Dunya, but even then in heaven this male restriction is overturned for men. Clearly men aren’t governed by the gender restrictions of the dunya. I thought freedoms and allowances of each gender would stay that way in heaven? According to your logic? Why does that theory not include men?

Hence it’s incredibly demoralizing and down right insane for Muslim women to hear that even in Paradise they can’t escape men’s nature and that they’re governed by that in a place in which men are meant to be free of such sickness. Funny how you’ll believe that in Jannah women would be ok with sharing their husband with 72 women when we know in the dunya female nature is for women to be really jealous and sad at the concept. Yet Allah will rid women of this feeling, yet in the same breath you argue that Allah won’t also change the nature of man? So you believe that man would still not lower his gaze and lust for what isn't his? Why is that? So in your premise, the things that don’t benefit men that will end up being a restriction such as female jealousy and being territorial, Allah will rid women of that, but women’s want of not being restricted by male nature of violence and the like hence why travelling alone for women has been restricted won’t be dealt with? So in your view, Allah will restrict women who have strived in the dunya instead of alleviating men of their flaws? How does that make any sense?

According to Islamqa on the topic:

In Paradise, there will be no evil looks or sickness of the heart such that a woman will be required to cover her face, and it is not the place for striving or commands or prohibitions, as ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Today is for striving with no reckoning and tomorrow is for reckoning with no striving.” Narrated by al-Bayhaqi in Shu’ab al-Eemaan (10614); narrated by al-Bukhaari in a mu’allaq report in Baab al-Aml wa Tooliha, in Kitaab al-Riqaaq.


Your version of paradise sounds incredibly self-serving of only male interest and anyone with a brain can see it that who has enough intellectual capabilities to question you. You’re so arrogant and self-righteous that you’ll fail to truly open your eyes as to how sexist your paradigm is and why no woman should ever listen to you since you’ll do nothing but lower their imaan.

It’s why most scholars wouldn’t say what you’re tried to imply, hence it is better for you to be quiet. No scholar would ever compare lack of hijab to homosexuality. Many scholars have been asked this with many saying women won’t have to wear it since Jannah isn’t a place of prohibition. So who the hell are you, like truly who are you?

This is my last reply since it’s hard for women to even engage with men with your thought process. Believe me, even if you were to speak to the most practicing and God fearing woman, may Allah make all of us amongst them, would wince at your apparent mindset of restrictions of women and it is a reason why scholars wouldn’t argue such a thing. The sad reality is that men like you force your thoughts on to us and if we truly think and feel different to your assumptions of how we should, it’s because we’re trying to be men or influenced by feminism. There is no winning when it comes to this. But the reverse is never the case. Men wanting what is usually reserved for women like gold and silk in the deen is natural and Allah has allowed it but not wanting hijab isn’t?! Do you see how easy it is to unravel your logic?

The jokes writes itself.

The real Afka naareed not @DR OSMAN