Most Famous Somali Sheikh is in Hot Water again against Somali Female Politician

[JaredAbdullahiKushner2000]

Your suspicion is justified but I still don't agree with martial rape.

I dont know the laws about marital rape in our faith, nor do you nor does that mp. So why is thay mp pushing a bill that she does not know wether alines or contradicts our faith? Thats my point

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

Yes I have an issue that Somalia is not a caliphate, and our country is not run with sharia. Our country will not function with man made laws and system. As Muslims we have an established system. You said no country has implemented sharia. This is wrong too, Saudi Arabia has implemented Sharia, in fact Saudi Arabia is the best Islamic kingdom for the last 1000 years since the Umayyad Caliphate. Ottomans doesn't even come close to the merits of Saudi Arabia. I want Somalia to model itself after Saudi Arabia but with an Caliph. The ruling with who to be a caliph is to be a quraishi, if the person from quraish is competent, if any somali is more competent then he is in favor of being caliph. Basically a meritocracy. I am just saying that Somalia is bound to fail. Here is a compilation of qoutes by the Salaf and some ahadith to reflect upon let see who is more aligned with Islam.
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Being a member of parliament is definitely a position of power, you introduce, enact bills and vote for or against a bill introduced by the president. So according to this hadith no nation will succeed with a woman as a ruler.
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According to Umar Ibn Khattab a Radiyallahu Anhu Allah will disgrace anyone who seeks honor in anything besides that which Allah has honoured the Muslims with and we are doing that with our 4.5 federal parliamentary system, and we clearly being disgraced with widespread corruption, incompetence, lack of oversight, this is why Shabaab can infiltrate the most vulnerable and most heavily guarded areas in Somalia.
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We again not doing this, we neither following the quran, the sunnah or the salaf in their methodology, so we will not be rectified by Allah. I have clearly substantiated that either we abide by Islam and its teachings or we cease to exist. You said no government have shariah, how does it work for most Muslim countries? They poor, corrupt, anarchism is rapant. Look at bangladesh a 85% Muslim country has child prostitution. Look at Syria, Lebanon, Morroco is the Phillipines of Africa were gaalo go for sex tourism. Libya, Tunisia, Iraq. Only countries who implement Shariah are successful, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Indonesia just made fornication illegal for both citizens and tourist and their economy is booming. Not being arrogant but you dont have 1% of the knowledge, comprehension skills, critical thinking that I have and I am a very humble person who admit that I have to learn much and that I am nothing but a layman. You can also call me an incel too, but just know I believe smart women exist like my favorite woman Aisha Radiyallahu Anha our mother. She was just the tender age of 15 when the Nabi ﷺ asked her opinion with regards to the Hudaibiyah war treaty.

Somalia can not be a caliphate as no somali can be a caliph, the caliph has to be from Banu quraysh and no somali can truly prove to be descendant of them, doesn't matter if a somali has more merit than a qurayshi contender. Many hadith show this like:

"This matter (of the caliphate) will remain with the Quraish, and none will rebel against them, but Allah will throw him down on his face as long as they stick to the rules and regulations of the religion (Islam).'" (Abu Muslim, Volume 9, Book 89, Number 253

"This matter will remain in Quraysh, so long as two of them remain" (Muslim, Volume 9, Book 89, Number 254)

 

[Nikka]

Somalia can not be a caliphate as no somali can be a caliph, the caliph has to be from Banu quraysh and no somali can truly prove to be descendant of them, doesn't matter if a somali has more merit than a qurayshi contender. Many hadith show this like:

"This matter (of the caliphate) will remain with the Quraish, and none will rebel against them, but Allah will throw him down on his face as long as they stick to the rules and regulations of the religion (Islam).'" (Abu Muslim, Volume 9, Book 89, Number 253

"This matter will remain in Quraysh, so long as two of them remain" (Muslim, Volume 9, Book 89, Number 254)

So the last caliphates were the Rashidun? Not even the ottomans who were dominant power for 700 years?

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

So the last caliphates were the Rashidun? Not even the ottomans who were dominant power for 700 years?

Nothing to do with dominance, a caliphate has to be from the Banu quraysh in the opinion of the ahlul sunnah wal jammah. It was the shiites who believe the rulership only belongs to the descendants of Ali and Fatima and the kharijites who believed everyone can become the ruler/Imam/caliph

Also the ummayad and abbasid were legitimate in the eyes of the sunnites as they are from the Banu quraysh

 

[Aurelian]

The anti-Islamic bill was legalizing Zina and Sodomy View attachment 245328

That is a lie. This was a definition of rape. If it was consented sex, then it is zina, if it wasn't consented sex then it is rape.

 

[HoodHawiye]

The anti-Islamic bill was legalizing Zina and Sodomy View attachment 245328

man we need to go to back to wadaad, this poop ugly as foo foo

 

[Nikka]

man we need to go to back to wadaad, this poop ugly as foo foo

Agreed. It will also help our people learn the deen better indirectly.

 

[JaredAbdullahiKushner2000]

Somalia can not be a caliphate as no somali can be a caliph, the caliph has to be from Banu quraysh and no somali can truly prove to be descendant of them, doesn't matter if a somali has more merit than a qurayshi contender. Many hadith show this like:

"This matter (of the caliphate) will remain with the Quraish, and none will rebel against them, but Allah will throw him down on his face as long as they stick to the rules and regulations of the religion (Islam).'" (Abu Muslim, Volume 9, Book 89, Number 253

"This matter will remain in Quraysh, so long as two of them remain" (Muslim, Volume 9, Book 89, Number 254)

Well if we cant find someone from Quraish who is the most suitable the most competent among us is to be a caliph then. So yeah a Somali can be a caliph

 

[JaredAbdullahiKushner2000]

Somalia can not be a caliphate as no somali can be a caliph, the caliph has to be from Banu quraysh and no somali can truly prove to be descendant of them, doesn't matter if a somali has more merit than a qurayshi contender. Many hadith show this like:

"This matter (of the caliphate) will remain with the Quraish, and none will rebel against them, but Allah will throw him down on his face as long as they stick to the rules and regulations of the religion (Islam).'" (Abu Muslim, Volume 9, Book 89, Number 253

"This matter will remain in Quraysh, so long as two of them remain" (Muslim, Volume 9, Book 89, Number 254)

I am in favor of it. We have to find that Quraishi if not, the most competent among us has to be the caliph. Caliph->>>>anything else. I even prefer an Emirate or a kingdom. I am habar gidir and I wouldn't mind giving kingship to the best among us

 

[Mount23]

Somalia can not be a caliphate as no somali can be a caliph, the caliph has to be from Banu quraysh and no somali can truly prove to be descendant of them, doesn't matter if a somali has more merit than a qurayshi contender. Many hadith show this like:

"This matter (of the caliphate) will remain with the Quraish, and none will rebel against them, but Allah will throw him down on his face as long as they stick to the rules and regulations of the religion (Islam).'" (Abu Muslim, Volume 9, Book 89, Number 253

"This matter will remain in Quraysh, so long as two of them remain" (Muslim, Volume 9, Book 89, Number 254)

Warya, Darod is quraysh descended from the great Aqeel bin Abi Talib

Its why Somalia will only suceed when one of us Ahlu bayt rule the Somali peninsula

 

[Deleted L]

Also, marital sex should include foreplay so that it doesn't hurt the woman as she has to be lubricated and relaxed prior to the act.

So, I would love to know what kind of beast wants to pounce on an unwilling wife. Go sort out your issue or argument beforehand like a normal human. Aghas Calayk baa idin iri.

To be fair though coercive sex in marriage doesn’t necessarily mean she’s being physically harmed or that it’s extremely injurious to her health. When you’re thinking about coercive sex in marriage, you’re probably thinking about some drama Hollywood scene where the husband physically punches his wife like he would do a man in a street fight and forcefully inserts his penis into her vagina and she’s screaming/crying due to physical and mental trauma.

There are non-harmful ways to do it that doesn’t necessitate brutal violence or harm. The husband can threaten to divorce her for example. Under Western law and according to modern feminists, if a woman was “manipulated” into consenting and she didn’t initially agree but she’s under pressure, they would consider that rape. If the wife for example rejects intercourse and the husband keeps kissing and touching her until she gets turned on and eventually gives in, because she didn’t initially consent, under Western law and according to modern feminists, that would be considered rape because a NO is a NO even if she eventually liked it later on because the man had “no right” to pressure her when she was initially resisting.

 

[RiceMuncher]

Wtf is Xsomali?

 

[Aurelian]

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[AdoonkaAlle]

Why exactly is he mad at a bill that barely, just barely, helps stops sexual violence? Why do they not want any laws that criminalizes rapists? Why does he feel the need to protect rapists?

He’s literally insulting her and claiming she’s paid by westerners and that soon she’ll be pro-lgbt all because of a law that could help women and young girls. Is this y’all sheikh? Wasn’t he also a terrorist sympathizer? People in the comments of the video are takfiring her too. Shameful.

The bill under the guise of "combating rape" criminalises any sexual contact lacking consent. Meaning as long as there's consent then any of the actions explained in 1a below are fine according to the law. So if people consent to having consensual sex be it vaginal or anal outside the bounds of marriage then by law they're not committing any criminal offense.

Based on the above zina, homosexuality all of it become legalised as the bill made CONSENT the ONLY criteria to determine what's lawful & what's forbidden. The bill completely gets rid of islamic law pertaining to family, sex, morality all in an attempt to "fight rape". This is why people were against it from shacabka, mps etc to sheikhs.

This is why as muslims we should work within the framework that diinta allows instead of succumbing to gaalo who don't share our views. As a muslim you can't advocate & legalise kufr in attempt to remove harm from a muslim society.

Somali penal code already criminalises rape & has punishment for it since independence, this bill was about "modernising" the penal code so that it reflects the current secular notions of bodily autonomy that's prevalent in the west. Marital rape is a modern issue and many gaalo nations started to criminalise it from late 80s etc . For instances uk, usa, france, finland etc made it illegal from the 90s

Imagine this a 17yr old girl can consent to having zina but she can't consent to marriage. This nothing but deviancy and ultimately erodes the social fabric of our islamic beliefs & identity.

In 2020 after the bill was denied, the speaker of parliament explains in detail why it was denied, the process of amending it from consultation with the standing committee, council of somali scholars, prime minster's office then finally presenting it to the committee & assembly. He mentions that when the amended bill that was presented to the women's ministry they refused to accept it. Mind you the bill was edited so as to conform with diinta laakin they rejected it outright & only after public outrage did the minster in charge apologise for her transgressions.

Now 2 yrs later the same bill is presented containing the same kufr, is this a coincidence ? no as they did exactly the same in puntland, somaliland etc. Somaliland made editions to a similar bill presented to them clearly defining rape as forced zina among other things. We've to ask ourselves why are these people not content with what diinta says and attempt to force muslims to accept gaalo norms & values. This is not about protecting women but about accepting what gaalada legislate for us.

The punishment for rape is very clear in our diin so why are these people not advocating for the implementation of it since it's clearly not practised ? It's nonsensical to claim that you're fighting to end sexual assault, rape etc all the while legalising zina & other sexual perversions.

 

[World]

i don’t like that sheikh but the bill should be rejected

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

To be fair though coercive sex in marriage doesn’t necessarily mean she’s being physically harmed or that it’s extremely injurious to her health. When you’re thinking about coercive sex in marriage, you’re probably thinking about some drama Hollywood scene where the husband physically punches his wife like he would do a man in a street fight and forcefully inserts his penis into her vagina and she’s screaming/crying due to physical and mental trauma.

There are non-harmful ways to do it that doesn’t necessitate brutal violence or harm. The husband can threaten to divorce her for example. Under Western law and according to modern feminists, if a woman was “manipulated” into consenting and she didn’t initially agree but she’s under pressure, they would consider that rape. If the wife for example rejects intercourse and the husband keeps kissing and touching her until she gets turned on and eventually gives in, because she didn’t initially consent, under Western law and according to modern feminists, that would be considered rape because a NO is a NO even if she eventually liked it later on because the man had “no right” to pressure her when she was initially resisting.

A man who inserts his penis into a woman who said 'no' is forcing her and causing her harm, physically and mentally. He has also caused irreparable damage to his wife and she will never trust or forgive him again, even if she claims she does. Nobody gets over such stuff.

Also, just because someone doesn't scream or cry, it doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. People can be silent with shock or rage. The vagina is delicate and can tear and get injured easily, hence why men are supposed to do foreplay beforehand.

Regardless, no matter how men try to twist this or excuse barbarism, I know Allah is just and will deal with people how they deserve.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

The bill under the guise of "combating rape" criminalises any sexual contact lacking consent. Meaning as long as there's consent then any of the actions explained in 1a below are fine according to the law. So if people consent to having consensual sex be it vaginal or anal outside the bounds of marriage then by law they're not committing any criminal offense.



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Based on the above zina, homosexuality all of it become legalised as the bill made CONSENT the ONLY criteria to determine what's lawful & what's forbidden. The bill completely gets rid of islamic law pertaining to family, sex, morality all in an attempt to "fight rape". This is why people were against it from shacabka, mps etc to sheikhs.

This is why as muslims we should work within the framework that diinta allows instead of succumbing to gaalo who don't share our views. As a muslim you can't advocate & legalise kufr in attempt to remove harm from a muslim society.

Somali penal code already criminalises rape & has punishment for it since independence, this bill was about "modernising" the penal code so that it reflects the current secular notions of bodily autonomy that's prevalent in the west. Marital rape is a modern issue and many gaalo nations started to criminalise it from late 80s etc . For instances uk, usa, france, finland etc made it illegal from the 90s

Imagine this a 17yr old girl can consent to having zina but she can't consent to marriage. This nothing but deviancy and ultimately erodes the social fabric of our islamic beliefs & identity.

In 2020 after the bill was denied, the speaker of parliament explains in detail why it was denied, the process of amending it from consultation with the standing committee, council of somali scholars, prime minster's office then finally presenting it to the committee & assembly. He mentions that when the amended bill that was presented to the women's ministry they refused to accept it. Mind you the bill was edited so as to conform with diinta laakin they rejected it outright & only after public outrage did the minster in charge apologise for her transgressions.

Now 2 yrs later the same bill is presented containing the same kufr, is this a coincidence ? no as they did exactly the same in puntland, somaliland etc. Somaliland made editions to a similar bill presented to them clearly defining rape as forced zina among other things. We've to ask ourselves why are these people not content with what diinta says and attempt to force muslims to accept gaalo norms & values. This is not about protecting women but about accepting what gaalada legislate for us.

The punishment for rape is very clear in our diin so why are these people not advocating for the implementation of it since it's clearly not practised ? It's nonsensical to claim that you're fighting to end sexual assault, rape etc all the while legalising zina & other sexual perversions.

1. What does Islam say about men who force their penis into unwilling wives.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

I wonder how some of you men would feel if you found out your daughter was tired/sick or even disgusted by her husband due to him abusive, unfaithful, rude or even unhygienic but he pinned her down and forces his penis into her body. What would you consider this act?

Would you be okay with her being silenced? Or would you make him divorce her and take her to get medical help for her injuries? The fact that I even have to make you men imagine a daughter, instead of 'a woman' to get empathy is disturbing in and of itself.

I pray to Allah to free women from the yoke of barbaric males.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Anyway, that bill should be amended to include the following.


1. Consensual sex can only be held within a marriage between a man and a woman.
2. LGBT sex is illegal.
3. Rape and molestation is illegal, no matter who is perpetrated against; woman, man, child, animal or even inanimate object.

Marital protection.

1. Spouses are not allowed to abuse each other, not physically or verbally.
4. Spouses are not allowed to force each other into having sex.

You can argue against calling marital rape 'marital rape' and do tricks with semantics, but it damn sure is abusive and it is violent and it's abhorrent and should be punishable by law.

I sincerely hope that all of you men who are excusing marital sexual coercion, never have a daughter.

 

[Sajid]

Guys I don't want to read all these comments can someone summary what is going on