Most Famous Somali Sheikh is in Hot Water again against Somali Female Politician

[AdoonkaAlle]

1. What does Islam say about men who force their penis into unwilling wives.

There's a couple of things you need to understand, firstly in islam the marriage contract is what legalises sexual relation between spouses and as with any contract it comes with it's own set of rules so as to ensure that it's fulfilled according to the limits set by diinta. Now it's fairly obvious that this isn't possible if there's harm involved in it and diinta has allocated ways to deal with such actions.

Sexual violence does occur in marriage and there are laws that islam has provided to deal with them correctly. Just because such injustices don't come under rape laws etc doesn't mean that they're not dealt with or that there no laws to combat them.

Dumarka have the right to be protected, cared for and given their rights just like men. So when dumarka are subjected to sexual violence and assault they've the right to seek justice and be given their rights that Allah gave them. There's no need to adopt gaalo worldviews to seek your islamic rights as this only leads to worsening of the situation

These people while intending to fight rape they ended up advocating for vices that destroys the very essence of family life and lawful sexual relations. Why adopt gaalo norms & values when they hate you for being a muslim woman and want to destroy you & your society

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

There's a couple of things you need to understand, firstly in islam the marriage contract is what legalises sexual relation between spouses and as with any contract it comes with it's own set of rules so as to ensure that it's fulfilled according to the limits set by diinta. Now it's fairly obvious that this isn't possible if there's harm involved in it and diinta has allocated ways to deal with such actions.

Sexual violence does occur in marriage and there are laws that islam has provided to deal with them correctly. Just because such injustices don't come under rape laws etc doesn't mean that they're not dealt with or that there no laws to combat them.

Dumarka have the right to be protected, cared for and given their rights just like men. So when dumarka are subjected to sexual violence and assault they've the right to seek justice and be given their rights that Allah gave them. There's no need to adopt gaalo worldviews to seek your islamic rights as this only leads to worsening of the situation

These people while intending to fight rape they ended up advocating for vices that destroys the very essence of family life and lawful sexual relations. Why adopt gaalo norms & values when they hate you for being a muslim woman and want to destroy you & your society

Okay thank you.


I just find it interesting why some men are upset at a husband being called a rapist for committing sexual violence against his wife. Sexual violence is the same thing as rape, it's just two words instead of one.

 

[Nikka]

Okay thank you.


I just find it interesting why some men are upset at a husband being called a rapist for committing sexual violence against his wife. Sexual violence is the same thing as rape, it's just two words instead of one.

A lot of this thread was just people talking past each other.

 

[Sajid]

Why exactly is he mad at a bill that barely, just barely, helps stops sexual violence? Why do they not want any laws that criminalizes rapists? Why does he feel the need to protect rapists?

He’s literally insulting her and claiming she’s paid by westerners and that soon she’ll be pro-lgbt all because of a law that could help women and young girls. Is this y’all sheikh? Wasn’t he also a terrorist sympathizer? People in the comments of the video are takfiring her too. Shameful.

Rape have three outcomes for the rapist.

1 to be flocked 100 if he isn't married.

2 to be killed if he is married

3 to be killed and crucified if he threat her with weapon during rape

Because Allah said
(إِنَّمَا جَزَاءُ الَّذِينَ يُحَارِبُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَسَادًا أَنْ يُقَتَّلُوا أَوْ يُصَلَّبُوا أَوْ تُقَطَّعَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَأَرْجُلُهُمْ مِنْ خِلَافٍ أَوْ يُنْفَوْا مِنَ الْأَرْضِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ لَهُمْ خِزْيٌ فِي الدُّنْيَا ۖ وَلَهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ)

The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

A lot of this thread was just people talking past each other.

Possibly.

But this topic was made before and each time it's made, some men get angry at someone calling a rapist, a rapist.

What is the definition for someone who commits a sexual crime? In the English language it's 'rapist'.

According to some people on here;

1. Single Man rapes a woman= Rapist
2. Married man rapes his own wife= Husband.

 

[Sajid]

Possibly.

But this topic was made before and each time it's made, some men get angry at someone calling a rapist, a rapist.

What is the definition for someone who commits a sexual crime? In the English language it's 'rapist'.

According to some people on here;

1. Single Man rapes a woman= Rapist
2. Married man rapes his own wife= Husband.

How can a men rape his wife.

 

[Nikka]

Possibly.

But this topic was made before and each time it's made, some men get angry at someone calling a rapist, a rapist.

What is the definition for someone who commits a sexual crime? In the English language it's 'rapist'.

According to some people on here;

1. Single Man rapes a woman= Rapist
2. Married man rapes his own wife= Husband.

How can a men rape his wife.

If he forces him self on her when she doesn't want too.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

How can a men rape his wife.

Wife said no to sex, because she is

tired
sick
angry
couple are estranged/living apart.


Man forces his body on his wife even though she said no, she even pushes him off, possibly fights to break free, he rips off her clothes and pushes his penis into her.



What do you call this act.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

If he forces him self on her when she doesn't want too.

This is what I mean.

They are refusing to even comprehend the fact that men are capable of forcing themselves on their wives.

Either they think that they own a woman's body upon marriage and can do what they please.
Or they think that sexually violent men don't exist.

 

[Sajid]

Wife said no to sex, because she is

tired
sick
angry
couple are estranged/living apart.


Man forces his body on his wife even though she said no, she even pushes him off, possibly fights to break free, he rips off her clothes and pushes his penis into her.



What do you call this act.

This is rape according to Islam and logic

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

This is rape according to Islam and logic

Thank you!

But some men on this forum, are claiming that a man cannot 'rape' his wife. That marital rape as a concept doesn't exist.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

Okay thank you.


I just find it interesting why some men are upset at a husband being called a rapist for committing sexual violence against his wife. Sexual violence is the same thing as rape, it's just two words instead of one.

Rape in islam is defined as forced zina as such it can't take place within marriage as sexual relations between the husband and is wife is lawful. This is a legal issue that relates to criminal offences and how they're dealt with, as such definitions are very important when it relates to law.

Possibly.

But this topic was made before and each time it's made, some men get angry at someone calling a rapist, a rapist.

What is the definition for someone who commits a sexual crime? In the English language it's 'rapist'.

According to some people on here;

1. Single Man rapes a woman= Rapist
2. Married man rapes his own wife= Husband.

You need to look at legal terminologies as this is what laws are based on. Take for instance in the uk rape is defined as

"when a person intentionally penetrates another's vagina, anus or mouth with a penis, without the other person's consent "

In addition to consent they included the action of penetrating with a penis, meaning a woman who forcefully has sex with a man can't be charged with rape. Excluded from this definition also is rape of women by other women. Only man can do the act of raping someone as per the uk definition that's why they've additional set of laws that deal with any forced sexual relation that isn't covered by the initial rape law. They make distinctions based on the nature of the sexual violation in question.


Kufsi in somali is defined as forced sexual intercourse that occurs outside of marriage ie forced zina it doesn't happen within marriage. That's why it's important to look at your own legal framework and find solutions with it. This entire thread is based on a rape bill in somalia that has different a language, legal and religion than that of gaalada, as such it's completely irrelevant to judge it based on standards, definitions set by gaalada.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Rape in islam is defined as forced zina as such it can't take place within marriage as sexual relations between the husband and is wife is lawful. This is a legal issue that relates to criminal offences and how they're dealt with, as such definitions are very important when it relates to law.





You need to look at legal terminologies as this is what laws are based on. Take for instance in the uk rape is defined as



In addition to consent they included the action of penetrating with a penis, meaning a woman who forcefully has sex with a man can't be charged with rape. Excluded from this definition also is rape of women by other women. Only man can do the act of raping someone as per the uk definition that's why they've additional set of laws that deal with any forced sexual relation that isn't covered by the initial rape law. They make distinctions based on the nature of the sexual violation in question.


Kufsi in somali is defined as forced sexual intercourse that occurs outside of marriage ie forced zina it doesn't happen within marriage. That's why it's important to look at your own legal framework and find solutions with it. This entire thread is based on a rape bill in somalia that has different a language, legal and religion than that of gaalada, as such it's completely irrelevant to judge it based on standards, definitions set by gaalada.

I don't care about semantics, I want clear answers to the following please:

1. What is the term for the man who commits sexual violence against his wife
2. What is the punishment for a man who commits sexual violence against his wife.
3. Do you think Islam permits a man to commit sexual violence against his wife if she refuses to have sex with him.

 

[anonimo]

Wife said no to sex, because she is

tired
sick
angry
couple are estranged/living apart.


Man forces his body on his wife even though she said no, she even pushes him off, possibly fights to break free, he rips off her clothes and pushes his penis into her.



What do you call this act.

In Islamic Law, he does not face the punishment for rape. This is the crux of the matter regarding this law and it's concept of rape regarding marriage. There is no judicial precedent in Islamic Law where a man can be charged with raping his wife and has never been an issue in Islam's 1400+ History. It is impossible to prove a man raped his wife in Sharia Law as it does not meet the four witnesses Zina condition etc. as any coerced sexual act will occur in the privacy of one's home and the fact that they are already married renders all else redundant.

Men are however not expected to rape a disobedient wife as the Hadith evidence indicates Allah will be displeased with a woman until she submits to her husband and the Curse of the Angels is upon them if they refuse their husband's demand for sex.

The pressure to codify this new rape law is not an organic societal development nor does it have any religious foundation hence why many in Somali society are opposed to it. No man made innovative law can have precedence over Islamic Law regarding this issue!

 

[NordicSomali]

Umal is a masquerading extreme salafists, Allah knows how many terrorists he’s inspired.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

In Islamic Law, he does not face the punishment for rape. This is the crux of the matter regarding this law and it's concept of rape regarding marriage. There is no judicial precedent in Islamic Law where a man can be charged with raping his wife and has never been an issue in Islam's 1400+ History. It is impossible to prove a man raped his wife in Sharia Law as it does not meet the four witnesses Zina condition etc. as any coerced sexual act will occur in the privacy of one's home and the fact that they are already married renders all else redundant.

Men are however not expected to rape a disobedient wife as the Hadith evidence indicates Allah will be displeased with a woman and the Curse of the Angels is upon them if they refuse their husband's demand for sex.

The pressure to codify this new rape law is not an organic societal development nor does it have any religious foundation hence why many in Somali society are opposed to it. No man made innovative law can have precedence over Islamic Law regarding this issue!

If a woman provides physical evidence of her rape; semen, vaginal tear, bruises etc, that is evidence enough to have him locked up in a civilised country, where women are seen as human beings.

It's a shame that Muslim men are the first to run around, trying to do their best to turn a woman's human rights into a debate about semantics.

Again, I ask.

What is the punishment for a man who forces himself on his wife? Let me guess? There is no punishment?

 

[Angelina]

I don't care about semantics, I want clear answers to the following please:

1. What is the term for the man who commits sexual violence against his wife

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Exactly.

As per your last comment sis, that's what's most terrifying, the automatic leap to pull up that hadith instead of having empathy with women who are married to sexually abusive men.
That's why I asked them how they would feel if it was their own daughter, as many men have no empathy for women, unless it's the one that was produce from his own his testicles.

I 100% guarantee they wouldn't argue about rape definition words, if their daughter called them crying. Or who knows, maybe they would tell her to shut up and go back to her husband-rapist.

 

[Deleted L]

In Islamic Law, he does not face the punishment for rape. This is the crux of the matter regarding this law and it's concept of rape regarding marriage. There is no judicial precedent in Islamic Law where a man can be charged with raping his wife and has never been an issue in Islam's 1400+ History. It is impossible to prove a man raped his wife in Sharia Law as it does not meet the four witnesses Zina condition etc. as any coerced sexual act will occur in the privacy of one's home and the fact that they are already married renders all else redundant.

Men are however not expected to rape a disobedient wife as the Hadith evidence indicates Allah will be displeased with a woman and the Curse of the Angels is upon them if they refuse their husband's demand for sex.

The pressure to codify this new rape law is not an organic societal development nor does it have any religious foundation hence why many in Somali society are opposed to it. No man made innovative law can have precedence over Islamic Law regarding this issue!

It’s not just Islamic law that doesn’t believe rape exists within a marital context as Islamic law defines rape as a coercive form of Zina. It’s also important to point out that the very idea of “marital rape” is an entirely new concept that didn’t exist historically among any religious, ethnic or tribal community before the 20th century as far as anyone is aware. Even Western/European nations didn’t agree with such a concept as English jurists for example agreed that a man cannot be guilty of rape committed upon his lawful wife as long as there was a marriage contract.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

It’s not just Islamic law that doesn’t believe rape exists within a marital context as Islamic law defines rape as a coercive form of Zina. It’s also important to point out that the very idea of “marital rape” is an entirely new concept that didn’t exist historically among any religious, ethnic or tribal community before the 20th century as far as anyone is aware. Even Western/European nations didn’t agree with such a concept as English jurists for example agreed that a man cannot be guilty of rape committed upon his lawful wife as long as there was a marriage contract.

LOOOOL

So now you are citing gaalo to defend your stance on this topic. If you want to force your wife to have sex with you when she doesn't feel like it. Just say that, we're all online, nobody will call the police on you.