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How polygamous would men be if their was no rich and poor and no wars?
If there was enough woman for every man to have multiple, and they were mature enough to have multiple wives, and had the ability and energy to exercise it, I would say 75% of men would
 
No they just dont want the headache of 2 women probably
All men(99%) would want another woman in some kind of way, which is why most men in the west in monogamous marriages cheat and have side woman, bc it takes no responsibility and they get to be with another woman
Also monogamy has alot of benefits of less headache and family politics, also get to keep ur wealth only to one family, also ppl just follow their culture maybe they never thought of marrying another woman, but all men desire to be with another woman, every man is like this, they just supress their desires and stick to their wife cos its an easier life to live
You can’t use cheating as an example as in the Western world women cheat near enough at the same rate. Obviously, women aren’t naturally polygamous.

I think we should put cheating to the side as that will open up a host of questions.
 
If there was enough woman for every man to have multiple, and they were mature enough to have multiple wives, and had the ability and energy to exercise it, I would say 75% of men would
Society is built on men and women being of equal amounts. Only near the DOJ will there be 50 women to 1 man. For every woman, there is 1 man.

War and underclass men is why polygamy can ever exist. So my question is, how can it be default nature of men if it relies on factors such as these? If men are polygamous, some men are destined to never marry.

With regards to polygamy, I do believe it is a valid solution to the issue of war and poverty. At least women aren’t left without a partner, although men would be.
 
Society is built on men and women being of equal amounts. Only near the DOJ will there be 50 women to 1 man. For every woman, there is 1 man.

War and underclass men is why polygamy can ever exist. So my question is, how can it be default nature of men if it relies on factors such as these? If men are polygamous, some men are destined to never marry.
I think my default I do not mean men are not created to be in monogamy bc they are but men naturally want to be polgynous which is their fitra, it is kind of like a luxury that every man wants to have, but not every man can, which is why in jannah men will all get multiple wives,unlike this dunya where men will settle for one woman bc it will fit their dunya requirments
 
You don’t actually read people’s reply do you?

it had nothing to do with vegetables and everything to do with private property. Once men started to amass wealth for themselves, men started to fight intensively for resources which resulted in deaths of young men, some men being too poor and women having no choice but to be with the most wealthiest.

It is for that reason the Ancient Romans banned polygamous marriages. The west believes in monogamous marriages not because of Christianity but because Romans banning due to fears of rebellious men and violence.

You’ll probably reduce my point to vegetables as you don’t like to engage with people and simply reply to respond rather than understand and take information. Anyways, humans existed for at least 50 million, whilst supposedly we’ve only been polygamous for ten thousand.
you’re full of shit.
 
You can’t use cheating as an example as in the Western world women cheat near enough at the same rate. Obviously, women aren’t naturally polygamous.

I think we should put cheating to the side as that will open up a host of questions.
I feel like the reason woman cheat and the reason men cheat are abit different but then again I could be wrong.
I feel like with one good husband a woman would never think about being with another man
(if she is a good woman)
but if a man had a good wife he would stilll think about being with another woman(even if he is the best of men)
 
I don't think angelina was saying men aren't polgynous by nature she is just pointing out that most men will be monogamous in their life and thats just the way life works so men acting like they have a right to do polgyny is stupid since most men have been monogamous and fine
Which comes down to Polygynous by nature. Monogamous by necessity.
 
Lol. So all of a sudden when men started eating vegetables that’s when they decided that they wanted multiple women? Somehow veggies changed our bodies and we decided to practice polygyny. QASHIN. By your same logic, we should also marry our sisters since adam’s children married each other.
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No where in history did the human psyche change? our bodies and natural inclinations have always been the same. Our conditions only changed.

The early generations had to be monogamous by necessity. There weren’t hella women around. That doesn’t mean we’re monogamous by nature.
Hunter gatherers didn’t have any wealth, elites, or hierarchies. Everyone was equal. Men didn’t have much of an advantage over each other. One man couldn’t monopolise power. This meant that monogamy was the standard.
 
I think my default I do not mean men are not created to be in monogamy bc they are but men naturally want to be polgynous which is their fitra, it is kind of like a luxury that every man wants to have, but not every man can, which is why in jannah men will all get multiple wives,unlike this dunya where men will settle for one woman bc it will fit their dunya requirments
Hmm, good point. Allah does promise men multiple wives which is something men do want.

I simply have issues with labeling it as ‘nature’ because when you do that, you’re also indirectly labeling monogamy as unnatural, which is false. Usually, this is the argument a lot of Muslim men are falling into which is basically Western pseudoscience and goes against the fact that throughout history, polygamy has always only been for a select few. Something that can only be practiced by less than 5% can never be the norm.
 
Hunter gatherers didn’t have any wealth, elites, or hierarchies. Everyone was equal. Men didn’t have much of an advantage over each other.
That is literally my point. Polygamous marriages comes from societies in which there is an underclass of men. In order for a man to have 4 wives, at least 3 men are left with no spouses and that is how it was in different points in history.

Also, something that is practiced through history by less than 5% can never be the norm. Do men desire polygamy? Yes. Allah would not have promised men two wives if that isn’t an inner desire of man. But desire is different to being wired for something.
 
That is literally my point. Polygamous marriages comes from societies in which there is an underclass of men. In order for a man to have 4 wives, at least 3 men are left with no spouses and that is how it was in point in history.

also, something that is practiced through history by less than 5% can never be the norm. Do men desire polygamy? Yes. Allah would not have promised men two wives if that isn’t an inner desire of man. But desire is different to being wired for something.
I think the way a mans body is designed and everything about it makes it more advantageous to take on multiple woman, same with the way a mans sexuality works, but I do not think that its unnatural for a man to not have multiple wives, although to a certain extent they are wired for it
 
I think the way a mans body is designed and everything about it makes it more advantageous to take on multiple woman, same with the way a mans sexuality works, but I do not think that its unnatural for a man to not have multiple wives, although to a certain extent they are wired for it
If Allah created more women than men naturally, you’d have a point. But society has always been pretty equal.

A truly polygamous society in which most men tried to marry multiple women would disadvantage men as a whole in the long run. Only a small % of men will get all the women. The vast majority will get no women and will be lucky to even get one. That was a case at one point. Even our heritage attests to this as Shimbiris illustrated.

You and other average young men will never be able to spread your genes and father children. I suppose it fits in Darwin’s survival of the fittest.
 
If Allah created more women than men naturally, you’d have a point. But society has always been pretty equal.

A truly polygamous society in which most men tried to marry multiple women would disadvantage men as a whole in the long run. Only a small % of men will get all the women. The vast majority will get no women and will be lucky to even get one. That was a case at one point. Even our heritage attests to this as Shimbiris illustrated.

You and other average young men will never be able to spread your genes and father children.
I am saying men are wired to be capable for polgyny not that they are only wired for it
I believe men are all wired to go to war its just part of life but I do not believe war is something that humans should engage in or whatever.
Polgyny isnt something that will always be applicable but a man will always have the ability to exercise it needs be
 

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