Kush or Axum

[Waaqo of Punt]

Some clans in Somaliland such as Yibir are well known to have been Christians/Jews before the expansion of Dir Muslims from the coast. Yibir literally translated to "Jew" in old Aff Sooomali, they are considered to be the original inhabitants of Woqoyi Galbeed. Might I add Yibir and others were their own ethnicities, becoming assimilated into the Somali confederation once the Dir Jihadist conquered them.

Yep. Which is why I think, or believe let's say, that they're Jewish/Christians and seems very likely since Axum conquered SL and Djiobuti. If u read the website it goes into further detail.

If Yibir origins don't come from Axum idk where else they would come other than Yemenite-Jews. Highly doubt they landed on the Somali coast from abroad since Somalia didn't have any trade at the time, but maybe they're ajnabis that landed around the southern coats of Axum and moved down to Somali areas.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Yep. Which is why I think, or believe let's say, that they're Jewish/Christians and seems very likely since Axum conquered SL and Djiobuti. If u read the website it goes into further detail.

If Yibir origins don't come from Axum idk where else they would come other than Yemenite-Jews. Highly doubt they landed on the Somali coast from abroad since Somalia didn't have any trade at the time, but maybe they're ajnabis that landed around the southern coats of Axum and moved down to Somali areas.

Berbera and Zelia date to the 1st century a.d according to the Ancient Greeks.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Using your logic, If Axum had anything to do with the modern Ethio/Eri than Agaw and Afar history is equally Somali since they are Cushitic Speaking people. Each ethnicity should claim it's own history and Axumites were a different ethnicity to the modern Habesha of today. The only thing they share with them is the Habesha culture, that's it.

Your logic makes no sense. That's like saying the Banu Hashim of today can't claim the history of their Banu Hashim ancestors of the 7th century who conquered the entire Middle East.

Modern day Ethiopians/Eritreans are the direct decedent's of the Habeshas of Axum. Afar's/Agews are not the direct decedent's of the Ajuuran Sultanate, Warsengeli Sultanate, Geledi Sultanate, or any other majority Somali Sultanate since they existed as a separate ethnicity the same time these Sultanates were flourishing.

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

Truly impressive how tall "the church" stands.
Compare this specimen of Aksumite architectural longevity to "Bombadishu's", as you put it, lighthouse

Please explain to me how Queen Sheba was from Axum when Solomon ruled in the 10th century BC and Axum was founded in 100 AD?
The Queen of Sheba was Southern Arabian from the Sabaean Kingdom that lasted from 1200 to 800 BC.
Don't you dare mention Menelik the first (sheegato) and his phony claim of being the son of Solomon. There are no records of the early "Solomonic Dynastty" and if Menelik I was truly the son of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba wouldn't he be mentioned in the bible or in some other documents? A very odd omission, if you ask me. Menelik son of Solomon son of David

The Queen of Sheba was Axumite/Ethiopian and married king Solomon. If she wasn't ethnic Ethiopian then we at least know she ruled a kingdom that was conquered by the axumites/Ethiopians. Anyway she had direct connections with Ethiopia. You can do the research yourself, there's plenty of evidence and sites for u to look at.

That cathedral is still somewhat standing even though it's not at its former glory. Also, wtf, for a Christian building to go throw so much turbulent hisotry in Yemen I think it's in pretty good condition. Now, compare that to the mosque in Zeila which wasn't built until much later, embarassing tbh.

That's literally all that's left of the 3rd/4th oldest mosque in the world, or at least Africa.

Again, the lighthouse Bombdisho was built over a thousand years after the cathedral in Saan'a. Ofc it's gonna be in better conditions, actually, it should be in better conditions.

Also, you're confused about Menelik, the Solomonic dynasty/lineage is real but idk enough to judge Menelik's claim. Ofc he only claimed lineage to the dynasty, it's impossbile for him to be the son of Solomon if Solomon died thousands of years ago. lmao

 

[Cam]

The Queen of Sheba was Axumite/Ethiopian and married king Solomon. If she wasn't ethnic Ethiopian then we at least know she ruled a kingdom that was conquered by the axumites/Ethiopians. Anyway she had direct connections with Ethiopia. You can do the research yourself, there's plenty of evidence and sites for u to look at.


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That cathedral is still somewhat standing even though it's not at its former glory. Also, wtf, for a Christian building to go throw so much turbulent hisotry in Yemen I think it's in pretty good condition. Now, compare that to the mosque in Zeila which wasn't built until much later, embarassing tbh.

That's literally all that's left of the 3rd/4th oldest mosque in the world, or at least Africa.

Again, the lighthouse Bombdisho was built over a thousand years after the cathedral in Saan'a. Ofc it's gonna be in better conditions, actually, it should be in better conditions.

Also, you're confused about Menelik, the Solomonic dynasty/lineage is real but idk enough to judge Menelik's claim. Ofc he only claimed lineage to the dynasty, it's impossbile for him to be the son of Solomon if Solomon died thousands of years ago. lmao

Bilqis was NOT Ethiopian. She was a Saabean and she did not marry Suleiman (AS). That is from the old testament and we do not believe that as Muslims.
You must be Orthodox

 

[Cam]

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No sane Somali would believe in that BS. Keep exposing yourself
The more you talk, the deeper the hole you dig youself into

 

[Wiilyam Ina Sheekh Zubeer]

That cathedral is still somewhat standing even though it's not at its former glory. Also, wtf, for a Christian building to go throw so much turbulent hisotry in Yemen I think it's in pretty good condition. Now, compare that to the mosque in Zeila which wasn't built until much later, embarassing tbh.

That's literally all that's left of the 3rd/4th oldest mosque in the world, or at least Africa.

Again, the lighthouse Bombdisho was built over a thousand years after the cathedral in Saan'a. Ofc it's gonna be in better conditions, actually, it should be in better conditions.

The Al-Qalis Church in Sana'a is from the 6th century the Masjid Al-Qiblatayn in Zeila is from the 7th century so you can compare them and the mosque fares much better, waryaa. All that's left of the church is a tiny wall. It is a shame that the mosque has been neglected, on that we can agree.

Also, you're confused about Menelik, the Solomonic dynasty/lineage is real but idk enough to judge Menelik's claim. Ofc he only claimed lineage to the dynasty, it's impossbile for him to be the son of Solomon if Solomon died thousands of years ago. lmao

Boy, I'm not talking about Menelik II who ruled in the 19th century I mean his eponymous ancient "ancestor" Menelik I, the one who literally started the so called "Solomonic Dynasty" in the 10th century BC according to "historical" documentation found in the 14th century AD Kebra Nagast. This Menelik claimed to be the son of Solomon, or do you deny that claim? If not please provide biblical or other non-Ethiopian evidence to his claim.

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

No sane Somali would believe in that BS. Keep exposing yourself
The more you talk, the deeper the hole you dig youself into

Nope. You're just retarded.

You just made false claims in a serious tone. That's retarded.

What I said is bullshit but Samaale being a Cushite that impregnated thousands of women is good and it's somalinimo...???

 

[Wiilyam Ina Sheekh Zubeer]

Bilqis was NOT Ethiopian. She was a Saabean and she did not marry Suleiman (AS). That is from the old testament and we do not believe that as Muslims.
You must be Orthodox

Bro that is their whole claim to Solomon and it is nowhere to be found except in a 14th century epic titled Kebra Nagast

 

[Cam]

Nope. You're just retarded.

You just made false claims in a serious tone. That's retarded.

What I said is bullshit but Samaale being a Cushite that impregnated thousands of women is good and it's somalinimo...???

I don't even believe in Samaale so try again
Now you're coming for Somali clans on in order to deflect from Xabeshi fairytales. Don't even bother to pretend anymore, Tedros. We know who you are. You are a reer TPLF
Stick to mereja.com, agame

 

[Cam]

Bro that is their whole claim to Solomon and it is nowhere to be found except in a 14th century epic titled Kebra Nagast

They're liars by nature except they're terrible at it. For example, nacaskaan fiiri waa beenlow

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

The Al-Qalis Church in Sana'a is from the 6th century the Masjid Al-Qiblatayn is from the 7th century so you can compare them and the mosque fares much better, waryaa. All that's left of the church is a tiny wall. It is a shame that the mosque has been neglected, on that we can agree.

It's still a 100+ years of difference. Also, consider that the church in Sana'a was built by the general Abraha, or alt least under his command, in Yemen so the building process wasn't immediate. Unlike the mosque wich was in very close proximity with Arabia (help from the Ummah) and within Somali territory. Adding on to the fact that it wasn't meant to be a major church like the ones in Rome or Palestine but it was still one of the most important places of pilgrimage in Arabia, in competition to Mecca and Kaaba. That is a massive achievement.

You see? The conditions are very different when going into detail.


Also, what u see in the picture are just the inside of the cathedral, it was much bigger. Anyway, it's in much better conditions compared to the Masjid Al-Qiblatayn. Look at what's left of it..............

Don't make me laugh warya. I've seen WW1 trenches in better condition than this. There's no excuse.

Compare it to this:

Much better, and it's a Christian munument that survived the times of Yemen. Let that sink in.

Boy, I'm not talking about Menelik II who ruled in the 19th century I mean his eponymous ancient ancestor Menelik I, the one who literally started the so called "Solomonic Dynasty" in the 10th century BC according to "historical" documentation found in the 14th century AD Kebra Nagast. This Menelik claimed to be the son of Solomon, or do you deny that claim? If not please provide biblical or other non-Ethiopian evidence to his claim.

idk much about Ethiopian dynasties but yes I do believe in his claim. Why wouldn't I? Ethios have never lied about their heritage and kept many records of their hisotry even before Axum was a thing. They had empires that pre-date Axum. So yh, their claim seems legitimate.

It seems like you're doubting it for the sake of doubting it. lol. I think it's fully legitimate. Do u have proof it's not?

 

[Wiilyam Ina Sheekh Zubeer]

I don't even believe in Samaale so try again
Now you're coming for Somali clans on in order to deflect from Xabeshi fairytales. Don't even bother to pretend anymore, Tedros. We know who you are. You are a reer TPLF
Stick to mereja.com, agame

They're liars by nature except they're terrible at it. For example, nacaskaan fiiri waa beenlow

Wallahi lying is part and parcel of their megalomania.

It's still a 100+ years of difference. Also, consider that the church in Sana'a was built by the general Abraha, or alt least under his command, in Yemen so the building process wasn't immediate. Unlike the mosque wich was in very close proximity with Arabia (help from the Ummah) and within Somali territory. Adding on to the fact that it wasn't meant to be a major church like the ones in Rome or Palestine but it was still one of the most important places of pilgrimage in Arabia, in competition to Mecca and Kaaba. That is a massive achievement.

You see? The conditions are very different when going into detail.


Also, what u see in the picture are just the inside of the cathedral, it was much bigger. Anyway, it's in much better conditions compared to the Masjid Al-Qiblatayn. Look at what's left of it..............

Don't make me laugh warya. I've seen WW1 trenches in better condition than this. There's no excuse.

Compare it to this:

Much better, and it's a Christian munument that survived the times of Yemen. Let that sink in.

What are 100 years in the great scheme of things? You broadened the acceptable time frame for comparison by saying Aksumite architecture is the best in SSA history apart from ancient Egypt (which didn't make sense to begin with since Egypt is not SSA by definition) but I digress.

I let you dwell on your belief that tiny wall enclosing some shrubs is more impressive than a ruined mosque with ornamented portals, windows and an entire minaret.

idk much about Ethiopian dynasties but yes I do believe in his claim. Why wouldn't I? Ethios have never lied about their heritage and kept many records of their hisotry even before Axum was a thing. They had empires that pre-date Axum. So yh, their claim seems legitimate.

It seems like you're doubting it for the sake of doubting it. lol. I think it's fully legitimate. Do u have proof it's not?

That's rather naive of you. How do you claim the existence of a Solomonic dynasty and don't know of any source attesting to the veracity of the founder of said dynasty except a biased one written 2.5 millennia after the fact? I see plot-holes, I call them out. Easy! I'm doubting it because I have legitimate reasons to doubt it, you see.

 

[Asaana]

Axumite military achievemwnt:

Defeated Persians several times in war and killing their lords and generals and taking Yemen from under their control.

Colonised,destroyed and defeated the whole of Yemenite-Yemen (Hymyarate kingdom) and parts of Saudi (something that no African or Cushite ever did). The great general, Abraha, even built a Christian cathedral that still stands in Saan'a, Yemen till this day. Houses in Bombisho collapse after a year. The Axumites ahd the most advanced architecture in SSA after the ancient Egyptian civilisations.

The colonised western Somaliland and Djobuti thorugh expansion and there's remnants of Axumite burial sites in those regions, look it up.

Completely annihilated the kingdom of Kush and absorbed it. Axumite influence reached all the way to meroe, Sudan. Look at where that is.

Axumite emperors subjugated and assimilated several ethnic groups/tribes and named themselves the king of kings, king of Aksum, Himyar, Raydan, Saba, Salhen, Tsiyamo, Beja and of Kush.

The biblical figure known as the 'Queen of Sheba' came from Axum. She married Solomon and thus started the Solomonic dynasty of Ethiopia.

"The Manichaei prophet Mani (died 274 AD) regarded Axum as one of the four great powers of his time, the others being Persia, Rome, and China."

They also had their own gold currency. Were great sea travellers that reached all the way to India, Persia, Constantinople, Rome, Greece, etc. This was done thousands of years before Somalis did and started to brag about "we reached Maldives n shieet".

There's many more acheievemnets from the kingdom of Axum and I advise u to read them.

Axum only invaded Meroe, and that was after the city was already abandoned. Eritrean refugees love to claim they invaded Sudan lol, even if they did then today they're our cleaners so who really won...

 

[Wiilyam Ina Sheekh Zubeer]

Let me add this:
If you don't see the audacity in the claim of Menelik I, then I seriously can't help you.
This negro unironically claims to be the son of an Israelite prophet and king who himself was the son of an Israelite prophet and king.

Wallahi I wonder why the Banu Israel let this shit slide without karbaashing them to akhira and beyond. The Israelites are like: "Injir? Midget-nimo? Gaajo? Hoeing a national pastime? AIDS epidemic? Karbaash by successive Somali sultanates, resistance movements and armies? Hilib c... Raw m... WHAT?! By YAHWE, a man can only take so many Ls! We can't burst the bubble of these wretched Goyim. Let them be delusional! God be with the Somalis, though! What an unfortunate neighborhood they have to endure."
I think they want spite us for what aabo Fircaun did to them back in Egypt.

 

[Asaana]

Villages in Kush

Villages in Axum

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

Axum only invaded Meroe, and that was after the city was already abandoned. Eritrean refugees love to claim they invaded Sudan lol, even if they did then today they're our cleaners so who really won...

What are u even saying? If u accept Axum to have colonised Meroe than leave it at that. lol. Accept it how it is. Also, you're really talking aboutrefugees from Eritrea and saying they're cleaners etc? They're running away from a Communist regime that's cleansing them. What has Sudan ever been apart from being a toilet for Arabs and being their rape babies? Imagine looking like an NBA player and claiming to be from a Saudi tribe. lmao.

btw I've heard that Ethiopians and Eritreans own Khartum and drive the best cars. And I'd rather marry a xabesha ting anyday over than a mulatto wide nosed Afro-Arab Fatima.

Didn't the Ethio president just save ur country from total destruction?

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

What are 100 years in the great scheme of things? You broadened the acceptable time frame for comparison by saying Aksumite architecture is the best in SSA history apart from ancient Egypt (which didn't make sense to begin with since Egypt is not SSA by definition) but I digress.

I let you dwell on your belief that tiny wall enclosing some shrubs is more impressive than a ruined mosque with ornamented portals, windows and an entire minaret.

Dude u ignored all my other points. The cathedral was built outside of Ethiopia, mainland Axum, by a general in a land they just conquered. The mosque in Zeila has always stayed in Somali possesion and never surrounded by Enemies. It was a great mosque with importance sxb. Forget the church built in a small town by Axumites. The mosque should've been preserved, now it's too late.

That's rather naive of you. How do you claim the existence of a Solomonic dynasty and don't know of any source attesting to the veracity of the founder of said dynasty except a biased one written 2.5 millennia after the fact? I see plot-holes, I call them out. Easy! I'm doubting it because I have legitimate reasons to doubt it, you see.

Again, idk enough to say for sure but for now I'll stick with the common Ethio theme. You might be right though.

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

Let me add this:
If you don't see the audacity in the claim of Menelik I, then I seriously can't help you.
This negro unironically claims to be the son of an Israelite prophet and king who himself was the son of an Israelite prophet and king.

Wallahi I wonder why the Banu Israel let this shit slide without karbaashing them to akhira and beyond. The Israelites are like: "Injir? Midget-nimo? Gaajo? Hoeing a national pastime? AIDS epidemic? Karbaash by successive Somali sultanates, resistance movements and armies? Hilib c... Raw m... WHAT?! By YAHWE, a man can only take so many Ls! We can't burst the bubble of these wretched Goyim. Let them be delusional! God be with the Somalis, though! What an unfortunate neighborhood they have to endure."
I think they want spite us for what aabo Fircaun did to them back in Egypt.

idk about their legitimacy but the xabeshas have karbashed Adal and Ifat many times, especially before slaying Imam Amhed Gurey. Yeshaq I continued to defeat sultanates and he was the reason why Muslims came together to get stronger.

Amda Seyon, before Gurey's era, completely annihilated the sultanates and any Somali/Muslim force in EA. Read his wiki bio, it's crazy wllahi. He never lost a battle and made Adal and Ifat pay tribute to the xabeshas.

Things went downhill for the xabeshas when Gurey started his campaignes and xabeshas were weak.

 

[Asaana]

South Sudan is its own country, and Suakin could be Massawa, a major city in Eritrea meanwhile Suakin is just an irrelevant town for Sudanese standards lmao

Axum in 2019

The driest and smallest town in Kush

No one cares what you've seen, it's only black americans that love to bring up relevance