Kacaan 2.0

[Itsnotthateasy]

The only daarood to truly benefit from federalism are majeerteen and we didn’t gain shit from the kacaan

Some still wanted to try centralism when they failed they jumped on the lifeboat.

 

[Bahal]

You opened up pandoras box to stay in power and now you suprised pikachu face.

You must've got me confused with someone else. I would've been Halyeey Aideed's strongest soldier had he declared himself president for life and not chimped out.

 

[reer]

If I was Hawiye I'd do the same. I'd ignore Darood background noise and centerlize the state by any means necessary. Either they follow the program or declare session, which makes them no different to the Somaliland they clowned for 30 years lol

they cant centralize the state if their elites are protected by amisom from shabab.

 

[Gaandheri]

What HSM wants is basically the federalism in Ethiopia appointing FMS leaders from Xamar and eventually centralizing everything.

 

[Shayla]

Hawiye could've ruled Somalia in 1991. They ruined it for themselves by destroying the capital and they have been holding the rest of us hostage ever since.

Hawiye need to stop their shenanigans, their lands are full of AS and they are still not forming a proper a government.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

@Abaq u were slave of kikuyo, habashi and now u became slave of Hutu subxanalah
Have same dignity like beesha majerteen

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[Yazi]

Problem is, that should've happened in 1991 not 2024.

Sure I'd be a second class citizen, but at least I wouldn't be stateless.

It was close to happen again in 2006. Hawiye basically had the most powerful militia in Somalia and well on their way to subjugate Puntland & Somaliland like they did so effortlessly in present day Jubaland. I agree the nonsensical fighting from 1991 to 1998 was stupid and the stalemate that followed from 1998 to 2004 was a wasted opportunity but more or less all Somalis were fighting at that time you can't blame solely on Hawiye. Isaaq had a civil war, so did Majerteen Puntland and southern Darood in Jubaland. ICU was the upcoming central government before everything was reset in 2007

 

[Abaq]

Your such a duli I know what your doing and trying to mimick civilian majerten era govt by having irir rotate power inside itself such as aden adde and egal rotate while mj spot is reserved. He wants hg iyo abgal rotate while ogaden spot is reserved. Are u going to make ogaden women trojans for you and keep hawiye civilized as no hawiye was allowed near power if he didn't have mj relations.

I'm sick of Ogaden backstabbing us as we stood by your JL as your largest supporter when hawiye were trying to destroy it. U do know switching kastumo alliances means eventually all warring sides will say your not in anyone benefit and sideline you into eternity because mature politicians know the importance of holding deals increases your political profile not switching kastumos for 30 year short term interests. Some western countries boast of holding deals as long as 300 years showing political maturity.

Dr Horgal, tooshka ha igu ifinin Hutuska yay i fahminee. We decided to play dirty politics like you MJs. No hard feelings, only politics boowe

 

[Abaq]

It was close to happen again in 2006. Hawiye basically had the most powerful militia in Somalia and well on their way to subjugate Puntland & Somaliland like they did so effortlessly in present day Jubaland. I agree the nonsensical fighting from 1991 to 1998 was stupid and the stalemate that followed from 1998 to 2004 was a wasted opportunity but more or less all Somalis were fighting at that time you can't blame solely on Hawiye. Isaaq had a civil war, so did Majerteen Puntland and southern Darood in Jubaland. ICU was the upcoming central government before everything was reset in 2007

Why do you guys ignore the fact that it was Ogaden Islamists led by Madoobe and Turki that did the heavy lifting for ICU in Jubaland? Or the fact that Ogaden and Cayr were fighting against the TFG in Xamar together. Yes you read that right, ask anyone in Xamar at the time. There’s a reason people still call Madoobe a terrorist.

 

[Abaq]

Daaroodow, calm down and calaacalka joojiya. Kacaan Barakaysan baa beri dhalan doonaa. Ha la soo dhoweeyo. Towradatan barakaysan…

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Dr Horgal, tooshka ha igu ifinin Hutuska yay i fahminee. We decided to play dirty politics like you MJs. No hard feelings, only politics boowe

Here is the trouble, nobody sees how this plan benefits you either. Your politicians have sold you out and made you a lame duck. Your hedging your bets on who? Hamza? If your plan was powerful and made sense, people would actually begrudgingly accept it.

Worst of all, your leader, Madoobe, has sold Kismaayo Port, which was an asset intended to benefit Jubbaland as a whole. Instead Jubbaland has effectively been turned into another jeeb ku jire 'state'.

Finally, your current 'allies', see how you thanked Puntland, and nobody in their right mind, will trust a group, that can't return a favour, let alone show gratitude.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Daaroodow, calm down and calaacalka joojiya. Kacaan Barakaysan baa beri dhalan doonaa. Ha la soo dhoweeyo. Towradatan barakaysan…

I hate 4.5 politics but that is the system we're in.

'Daarood', was supposed to have three powerful states at present, to provide some balance in Somalia. Instead Puntland is alone again, trying to nurture Khaatumo State, to survive the economic blockade it is under. Jubbaland, garab iskadhaaf, isaga wax is tari waayay oo is xaraashay.

 

[Abaq]

Here is the trouble, nobody sees how this plan benefits you either. Your politicians have sold you out and made you a lame duck. Your hedging your bets on who? Hamza? If your plan was powerful and made sense, people would actually begrudgingly accept it.

Worst of all, your leader, Madoobe, has sold Kismaayo Port, which was an asset intended to benefit Jubbaland as a whole. Instead Jubbaland has effectively been turned into another jeeb ku jire 'state'.

Finally, your current 'allies', see how you thanked Puntland, and nobody in their right mind, will trust a group, that can't return a favour, let alone show gratitude.

We benefited fabulously from the first Kacaan until Barre turned against us and we formed SPM and brought him down. I have no reason to not believe we likewise won’t benefit from this Kacaan. The fact remains that, Somalis need our manpower. We were 33% of the SNA power under Siyaad Barre. We are likewise the only Somali tribe that can mobilise over 150k soldiers today as evidenced by the Liyu police. There are no permanent friends in politics, only permanent interest.

 

[Abaq]

I hate 4.5 politics but that is the system we're in.

'Daarood', was supposed to have three powerful states at present, to provide some balance in Somalia. Instead Puntland is alone again, trying to nurture Khaatumo State, to survive the economic blockade it is under. Jubbaland, garab iskadhaaf, isaga wax is tari waayay oo is xaraashay.

May I remind you it was MJ politicians that sabotaged the original Khatumo under Cali Khaliif Galaydh. Your current actions are tawbah for what you did

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

We benefited fabulously from the first Kacaan until Barre turned against us and we formed SPM and brought him down. I have no reason to not believe we likewise won’t benefit from this Kacaan. The fact remains that, Somalis need our manpower. We were 33% of the SNA power under Siyaad Barre. We are likewise the only Somali tribe that can mobilise over 150k soldiers today as evidenced by the Liyu police. There are no permanent friends in politics, only permanent interest.

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[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

May I remind you it was MJ politicians that sabotaged the original Khatumo under Cali Khaliif Galaydh. Your current actions are tawbah for what you did

LOL

Which politicians? AaranJaan? They are the same as the losers who represented Somaliland such as Ina Cambashe, and Dhulbahante know full well, that those kind of people don't represent Majerteen.

When Majerteen, the clan, stepped in, we all know how it ended up; full military victory, and political backing.

 

[Abaq]

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This is Somalia sxb, gentleman agreements don’t work. We spent 30 years in limbo, we need to move on from this stalemate. 4.5 waan ku dulmanahay. How can someone like Dahir Amin Jesow who only has one district to his name in the whole of Somaliweyn be at the same table as me?

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

We benefited fabulously from the first Kacaan until Barre turned against us and we formed SPM and brought him down. I have no reason to not believe we likewise won’t benefit from this Kacaan. The fact remains that, Somalis need our manpower. We were 33% of the SNA power under Siyaad Barre. We are likewise the only Somali tribe that can mobilise over 150k soldiers today as evidenced by the Liyu police. There are no permanent friends in politics, only permanent interest.

We don't want Ogaden as permanent friends, we were just hoping you weren't going to permanently destroy our shared home; Kismaayo.

I will keep telling myself that you're not all co-signing the madness that is Madoobe/Hamza, because WOW.

 

[Abaq]

We don't want Ogaden as permanent friends, we were just hoping you weren't going to permanently destroy our shared home; Kismaayo.

I will keep telling myself that you're not all co-signing the madness that is Madoobe/Hamza, because WOW.

Kismayo is safe. We won the 20 year struggle for that city in 2012. No harm shall come to it insha Allah

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

This is Somalia sxb, gentleman agreements don’t work. We spent 30 years in limbo, we need to move on from this stalemate. 4.5 waan ku dulmanahay. How can someone like Dahir Amin Jesow who only has one district to his name in the whole of Somaliweyn be at the same table as me?

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