4.5 is a curse
It forces people into hive mentality, and it allows the worst of the worst, to rise up. We must destroy it.
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4.5 is a curse
It forces people into hive mentality, and it allows the worst of the worst, to rise up. We must destroy it.
Ximan iyo Xadeed
Sanaag
Come back in 10 years pleasewould I be a great mayor
Abaq
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He is Galjecel from Beledweyne. Adduunka oo idil hal degmo ayuu ka degaa exclusively.
How about everyone goes to their districts. Ninkii degmo leh miiska ha soo fadhiisto. Intaan degmo lahayn waa shacab oo nadaafadda dalka ha ilaaliyaan
Abaq
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I have a whole degmo to myself. I am content with it. Let everyone be content with his degmo. No more 4.5
The Hawiye deserve it tho, they were accomplices with all the injustices against SL since the formation of the Somali Republic in the 60 and till today continue to do the bidding of the Jabarti against us.
They in their entire modern history have never united on a political cause unlike the Isaaqs or Jabarti. They never had internal cohesion on major principles for example Isaaqs regardless of political rift agree on the continuation of the state of SL. The Hawiye have no common political program and are picked apart by the more politically savvy Darood.
Can you cite some sources
Remember when you said this??? why do you enjoy lying??!! Still haven’t given me proof that everyone massacred isaaq @Garaad Awal
Souce?, Qaat its hell of drug
.Brother come out and say you don’t like other Darod. I warned people about your previous Ethiopian propaganda against harti. What power and authority can you use against Puntland? Economics is clearly not working. Worst case scenario we Puntland will just destroy Somalia.
proxy war in East Africa winner takes all.
This naive pro ‘daarood’ mindset holds us back as a subclan, caghdeers don’t owe us shit wax oo diinta aheen nagama daxeeso, we just happened to be allies during farmaajos reign since we had a common interest, now we should explore other politcal alliances we can use against Hsm
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we don’t share land with Ogaden so it doesn’t concern me . This dude propagates Ethiopian propaganda people need to be aware
We share land with them in dds and jubaland but that’s besides the point, my point above still stands
Kikuyu to Habesha to now hawiye. Caghdheers are basically oromos used,abused and big for nothing 
What heavy lefting? The Ogaden were camping in the borders of Kenya in Afmadow from 1993 to 2006 because they couldn't face the powerful militia of Morgan (Marehan & Harti 1993- 1999) or the next JVA alliance who kicked out Morgan from Kismayo in 99. It was Marehan & HG militia that controlled Kismayo for next 7 years. Barre Hiirale & Hussein Caydiid were no different from tribal warlords in Mogadishu at that time and didn't consider the small Ogaden militia in Afmadow as a threat. When ICU approached Kismayo walaalaha Galgaduud alliance fell apart and the HG joined the ICU which means all inhabitants of Kismayo irrespective of tribe knew they couldn't stand to ICU and many actually supported it thus it surrendered without fighting. Many clans fought for ICU in Xamar Turki is no different. How do you think Godane rised through ranks? He was first appointed the chief of police in Lower Juba during ICU days because Ogaden & Habar Gidir differed on who gets to rule it. You're riding off ICU accomplishment especially the HG (who were also part of JVA). They did the heavy lifting defeating the Warlords in their regions, the Islamist led Ogaden Ras Kamboni militia failed to do so in Kismayo for 13 years and instead had to ask JVA for permission to pass through their territory to reach ICU in Mogadishu.
"After the initial allied front against Siyad Barre broke down in February 1991, Kismayo saw several alliances come and go over the course of the next eight years. However, in June 1999, General “Morgan” and his Harti/Majerteen-dominated faction of the Somalia Patriotic Movement (SPM-Harti) was ousted from the city when his former Marehan allies felt marginalized and turned against him.Footnote28 Marehan faction leaders made a new alliance with the Habergedir, who dominated the Somali National Alliance (SNA), and were able to seize Kismayo. In 2001, this Marehan and Habergedir alliance took the name “Jubba Valley Alliance” (JVA) and came to rule Kismayo and to dominate large parts of Lower Jubba and Middle Jubba until September 2006, when ICU took control of Kismayo unopposed"
A small sub-group of the long-standing Islamist organization al-Ittihad al-Islamiyya (AIAI), formed in the early 1980s,Footnote51 was the most active Islamist group in the area.Footnote52 The group, often referred to as Mu’askar Ras Kamboni (“the Ras Kamboni camp,” MRK) due to its training camp in the small village of Ras Kamboni, located close to the Kenyan border, was small and did not challenge the authority of the JVA.Footnote53 According to several soldiers who trained in Ras Kamboni at that time, the group had a few hundred fighters, probably no more than 500.
Although the JVA managed to defeat General Morgan in Kismayo, it did not have a monopoly of violence throughout Lower Jubba. Only a small number of Marehan and Habergedir lived in Kismayo when the JVA conquered the city. Most of the local population considered the Marehan and Habergedir forces to be foreigners to the area, often referring to them as the “brothers of Galgaduud.”Footnote36 Although General Morgan posed the most immediate military threat to the authority of the JVA – he launched several offensives attempting to reconquer KismayoFootnote37 – perhaps a more existential challenge came from the Ogadeen clans, who were dominant across much of Lower and Middle Jubba.Footnote38 Although the military role of the SPM-Ogadeen had diminished after it was ousted from Kismayo in 1993, Ogadeen clan militias continued to play a key political role in Lower Jubba and remained a potential military threat to anyone who ruled Kismayo.Footnote39 Parts of the area outside Kismayo, especially around Afmadow and Dhobley, were de facto ruled by the Ogadeen. In order to keep the Ogadeen at bay, Barre Hiiraale, soon after his take-over of Kismayo, arranged a large-scale meeting with Ogadeen traditional elders and agreed on non-interference into the others’ interests; i.e. Hiiraale and his Habergedir allies should be allowed to rule Kismayo, while the Ogadeen should be left undisturbed in their own main areas of influence.Footnote40
Despite MRK’s local activity in the far south of the province, they did not influence political life in Kismayo. According to several Kismayo residents, they had not even heard about the group until 2006.Footnote56 A former MRK member related how they could come and go from Kismayo without interference from Barre Hiiraale and the JVA. Since MRK was dominated by members of the Ogadeen clans and had previously conducted operations within the Ogadeen region in Ethiopia, the soldier thinks that Barre Hiiraale did not care about them as he did not see them as a local threat, nor was he on good terms with Ethiopia at the time.Footnote57 This view was shared by “Omar,” a former senior JVA commander. Barre Hiiraale “(…) could easily have defeated them [MRK], but did not care about them as long as they stayed in the jungle.”Footnote58 When the MRK forces left the camp in Ras Kamboni to help the ICU fight against the faction leaders in Mogadishu, the force was allowed to pass freely through Lower Jubba without interference by the JVA.Footnote
When direct hostilities broke out between the ICU and faction leaders in February 2006,Footnote70 the importance of the widespread Habergedir/Ayr support became even more evident. While Ahmad emphasizes the importance of other Hawiye clans, like the Abgal, as well as other clan groups, who were necessary to mobilize broad popular support for the ICU during the fight for Mogadishu,Footnote71 the contribution of fresh Ayr militias equipped with “technicals” – i.e. vehicles with heavy weapons mounted on the back – from outside of Mogadishu was vital. According to “Abdi,” one of the founding figures of the ICU in Mogadishu, the ICU leadership thought they were going to lose the fight against the faction leaders during the initial stages of the hostilities. The faction leaders had more firepower than the ICU, with a huge number of technicals. At that time, “Abdi” was mobilizing the citizens to barricade the streets of the city in order to hamper the maneuver of the faction leaders’ technicals.Footnote72 The fresh Habergedir/Ayr militias came after some weeks of fighting and helped tip the balance in the ICU’s favor. The strongman of Lower Shabelle, Sheikh Yusuf Indahadde, together with General Mohamad Roble Jim’ale “Gobale” and Yusuf Mire Mohamud “Seraar” from the JVA, decided to rally their militias behind the ICU banner alongside their clan fellows.Footnote73 Although Indahadde had already shown himself to be sympathetic to the Islamist cause, Gobale, Seraar and the Habergedir militia of the JVA were not close to the ICU’s Islamist ideology. According to several high-ranking individuals from the ICU and JVA, the main driver for Gobale, Serar and Indahadde’s, support for the ICU were loyalties to their Ayr brothers in Mogadishu. For them, the fight was primarily about defending Ayr interests.Footnote74
According to “Omar,” a senior JVA commander at that time, Barre Hiiraale had been critical of Gobale and Serar’s plans to move their Habergedir militia to Mogadishu to support the ICU. He knew this would weaken the Marehan militia’s position in the south and could potentially create a new alliance, which could come to threaten him in the future.Footnote75 It turned out that Hiiraale’s fears were legitimate. A few months later, at the end of September, an ICU force entered Jillib and continued on towards Kismayo. When Hiiraale learned that Indhacadde, who had formerly been an ally of Hiiraale’s JVA, had decided to back the ICU offensive against Kismayo, he knew it would be useless to resist. Having lost the support of his former Habergedir/Ayr allies, Hiiraale quickly gathered his Marehan militia and fled the city before the ICU arrived.
However, it was more than the Ayr factor that challenged Hiiraale on the ground in Lower Jubba. As previously noted, the potentially powerful Ogadeen clans in Lower Jubba had mostly been passive in recent years and had not challenged the JVA openly in Kismayo. In return, they had enjoyed a large degree of autonomy within their main strongholds further west. Nevertheless, according to several Ogadeeni residents and clan elders in Kismayo, none of the Ogadeen clans perceived the JVA leadership as legitimate rulers of the area.Footnote77 The MRK group, which was now a part of the wider ICU umbrella, knew the political landscape in Lower Jubba very well. Although previously a marginal player in Lower Jubba, MRK’s leader, Hassan Abdullah Hersi “al-Turki,” its deputy, Ahmed Mohamed Islam “Madobe,” along with several other senior leaders of the group, were from the influential Mohamed Zubeyr sub-clan of the Ogadeen. When the ICU had gained victory in Mogadishu, the MRK forged an agreement with the radicals in al-Shabaab, mostly known in Mogadishu at that time as the Salahudeen group.Footnote78 Together, they started to plan for further expansion into southern Somalia.Footnote79 According to several ICU commanders at the time, the two groups wanted to establish a new headquarter in Kismayo, which could serve as an additional economic stronghold for an Islamist administration. The MRK knew that it could draw on local clan dynamics in Lower Jubba. Simply by virtue of being Ogadeen/Mohamed Zubeyr, they could potentially raise local Ogadeen support against the JVA. Quite deliberately, they placed Hassan “al-Turki’s” MRK forces in front of the forces in order to be seen as a “native” force
My man tried to pass the weak Ras Kamboni militia as a founder member of ICU. ICU (particularly the small Al Shabaab faction led by HG) captured Kismayo by sheer reputation alone, the HG in JVA Walaalaha Galgaduud alliance have more claim to ICU than opportunist Turki and his Ogaden militia who couldn't liberate their own back yard.
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My man tried to pass the weak Ras Kamboni militia as a founder member of ICU. ICU (particularly the small Al Shabaab faction led by HG) captured Kismayo by sheer reputation alone, the HG in JVA Walaalaha Galgaduud alliance have more claim to ICU than opportunist Turki and his Ogaden militia who couldn't liberate their own back yard.
Ogaden JL is only one camp of Ogaden, they have 2 other major camps in DDS and NFD and that's not pockets of them there like other clans, their the majority. Plus they have their clan distributed in a way they have clan survival no matter what, non Ogaden Somalis are gambling with their only homeland stronghold(Somalia) their only gambling one camp, while two others can survive and rebuild, which we cannot.
That's why I think it's in PL best interest to hold the alliance with these dulis, plus they can play an influencing role on Kenya and Ethiopia which in itself is a political gain. Do not swap out a marehan who provides nothing in return like we would with an Ogaden alliance.
I done told these silly Absame don't f*ck around with PL as we have the Saudi and UAE security friendship due to our common threat thru ikhwaan, Qatar, Turki, Somali islamist. We also have long ties with Oman. We also got America thru the PSF, PSF is their oldest security partners since 2003.
We got the largest diaspora especially in America, we got our boy sitting in the international court. I don't see why an Ogaden would swap all that to join terrorists and sympathisers like ikhwaan, Qatar, Turkey who are not big super powers at all and just pawns in the grand scheme of the global order, I would say respect if they joined china, brics, and hawiye was there with them but they know that's not happening.
PL must link our trade to China not Dubai who we already have a security alliance on ikhwaan and PMPF, why add more economic ties when we could give that to China and warm up relations on the far eastern front, plus award them our infrastructure projects not give it to a direct enemy like turkey who are backing hawiye as their both Islamist of the ikhwaan variety who themselves backed sal balaar in 97 Cairo conference.
PL awarding it's development projects to China tenders, doing it's trade link there would make china say we got a friend in PL plus we get in return a far eastern super power back up at least diplomatically on the international scene
and add some spice to it and say we will fight the weak and unrecognised taiwan from our peninsula and tell them we know separatists on your shore and ours is a complete violation of the rules based order on sovereignty and won't be accepted.I would always promote a strong MJ and Ogaden alliance(Punjubi) that had the potential to last centuries all the way back in 2007 in zomnet and both clans bring something to the table in both our clan survival interest and it's not just one way but unfortunately lots of short term tunnel visioned Absame leaders prefer the short term interest political game not the long game of long term clan alliances. The Absame chose the short term game of petty interest not the long game of holding the political course thru an unshakeable Punjubi political alliance.
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