Israel orders for deportation of Eritreans after violence in Tal Aviv

[Dibleyy]

They’re all dirty k*ke Jews and Zionist’s why would I feel bad for them? What are they even doing there? They went to Israel because they’re Yahud ass lickers and zionists who believe Muslims need to be pushed out

 

[Dibleyy]

Yahuds especially zionists give me the most evil energy and when they look at you it’s so sinister, out of all the ethnicities I hate them the most walahi

 

[GaradShabeel]

@seldiboy What is the guy saying?

 

[dekiteshim]

So they want to keep Eritrea together and the others want to split it apart for a Christian Tigray ethnostate? I swear y’all said Tigrayan and Tigray were different.

Agazianism is an ideology that stipulates that the Tigrinya people of Eritrea and the Tigrayans of Ethiopia are actually one people separated by politics (in actuality this is false, they have been separated since the fall of Axum). They believe in the unification of these two groups to form a Christian ethnostate.

This is not the only opposition group. There are other ethnic and religious based opposition groups. There are various Islamist groups focused on turning Eritrea into an Islamic theocracy. There are separatist groups focused on forming rump states for certain ethnic groups (Kunama, Afar).

The key unifying trait amongst all opposition groups is that they are always backed by Ethiopians or Sudanis rather than being grassroots movements

 

[dekiteshim]

Eritrean festivals are organized by Hgdef officials as there're many diaspora who still support the man or the regime

I’ve explained that most HGDEF supporters are pragmatists who support them out of Realpolitik. They tend to be the majority (and the most patriotic) so of course they are the ones organising events

 

[Nin123]

This is the first actual “clash” between two groups. Up until now it has been Tigrayans LARPing as Eritreans chimping out at the police. This is technically just pro-gov vs opposition but the opposition is largely composed of Tigrayans

Proof that it is Tigrayans:



It was only a matter of time before those ruffians got what was coming to them

Damn @seldiboy your people are cawaan

 

[dekiteshim]

@seldiboy What is the guy saying?

I’ll paraphrase since transcribing will take me a long time.

The gentleman in the video is asking Muslims “what are you waiting for?” in regards to joining Brigade Nhamedu. He references a 20 yo Brigade Nhamedu member who went on Tiktok live and expressed his animosity towards Muslim Eritreans and how this one young man doesn’t represent Brigade Nhamedu. He then alleges that Afwerki is the one who actually hates Muslims. He alleges that Afwerki banned hijabs in schools (completely false, I’ve never heard of this anywhere.) He then goes to say that pro-govt Eritreans like to accuse all opposition groups of being or collaborating with Tigrayans and goes on to reference a few freedom fighters by name who have been unjustly imprisoned by Afwerki

 

[dekiteshim]

They’re all dirty k*ke Jews and Zionist’s why would I feel bad for them? What are they even doing there? They went to Israel because they’re Yahud ass lickers and zionists who believe Muslims need to be pushed out

Eritreans in Israel are there because it’s a first world country. Eritrean society (and Ethiopian by extension) as a whole is very antisemitic. Both the ELF and EPLF sent fighters to Palestine to work with the PLO. Why do you think Beta Israel had to flee Ethiopia?

 

[GaradShabeel]

I’ll paraphrase since transcribing will take me a long time.

The gentleman in the video is asking Muslims “what are you waiting for?” in regards to joining Brigade Nhamedu. He references a 20 yo Brigade Nhamedu member who went on Tiktok live and expressed his animosity towards Muslim Eritreans and how this one young man doesn’t represent Brigade Nhamedu. He then alleges that Afwerki is the one who actually hates Muslims. He alleges that Afwerki banned hijabs in schools (completely false, I’ve never heard of this anywhere.) He then goes to say that pro-govt Eritreans like to accuse all opposition groups of being or collaborating with Tigrayans and goes on to reference a few freedom fighters by name who have been unjustly imprisoned by Afwerki

I saw many of them on social media trying to appeal to Muslim Eritreans. By nhemedu supporters appearance, it doesn’t seem to have yielded much success, lol.

 

[GaradShabeel]

@seldiboy Where does the Eri-Afars fit into the political sphere? I’ve heard of them being pro-Ethiopia in quest of being untied with Eth-Afars, especially since they have self-rule through federalism. But I’m not sure how accurate this viewpoint it. What is the most common political stance amongst Afar oppositions that you’ve observed?

 

[Dibleyy]

Eritreans in Israel are there because it’s a first world country. Eritrean society (and Ethiopian by extension) as a whole is very antisemitic. Both the ELF and EPLF sent fighters to Palestine to work with the PLO. Why do you think Beta Israel had to flee Ethiopia?

Beta Israel? Can you expand on that? We’re these yahuds trying to make Ethiopia like palastine and claim it’s their holy land?

Also Ethiopians are definitely not anti demotic, those ppl booty clap to Israel all the time, do you mean their government.

 

[dekiteshim]

Beta Israel? Can you expand on that? We’re these yahuds trying to make Ethiopia like palastine and claim it’s their holy land?

Also Ethiopians are definitely not anti demotic, those ppl booty clap to Israel all the time, do you mean their government.

Beta Israel are Ethiopian Jews. Most were airlifted out of Ethiopia into Israel as the Derg fell due to intense persecution. Govt Policy doesn’t necessarily reflect the people’s sentiment. There’s lots of folklore about Jews in Ethio/Eri. They were blamed for the fall of Axum, accused of evil eye and being able to shapeshift into animals.

 

[dekiteshim]

@seldiboy Where does the Eri-Afars fit into the political sphere? I’ve heard of them being pro-Ethiopia in quest of being untied with Eth-Afars, especially since they have self-rule through federalism. But I’m not sure how accurate this viewpoint it. What is the most common political stance amongst Afar oppositions that you’ve observed?

Eri Afars tend to have the same gripes as the other ethnic groups (lack of freedom, economic opportunity etc). The unity agenda is mostly being pushed from Ethiopia. The border across Danakil isn’t arbitrarily drawn. Eri Afars are of a different clan to those in Ethiopia, Djibouti. It’s quite funny actually. Ethio Afars have been pushing for intermarriage between Afars of the three nations to erase any national identity and make the new generations “solely Afar”.

It’s unfortunate since Afars have been dealt the worst hand in terms of geography. It’s basically impossible for them to have an Afar state that can feed its population. They pretty much have to latch onto either Eri, Ethio or Djibouti. Tbh i’ve never understood the push to unify under Ethiopia when they could have more demographic parity if they unified under Eritrea or Djibouti compared to being a drop in the Ethiopian ocean

 

[hinters]

Israelis complaining about migrants is pure irony.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

Apparently it was pro-government vs anti-government people fighting. What's the point of leaving Eritrea if you love the government? LOL Are they paid actors or something, I hear of this happening all over the world, in Sweden, Canada etc. the same pro-government vs anti government fighting and stuff.

 

[GaradShabeel]

Eri Afars tend to have the same gripes as the other ethnic groups (lack of freedom, economic opportunity etc). The unity agenda is mostly being pushed from Ethiopia. The border across Danakil isn’t arbitrarily drawn. Eri Afars are of a different clan to those in Ethiopia, Djibouti. It’s quite funny actually. Ethio Afars have been pushing for intermarriage between Afars of the three nations to erase any national identity and make the new generations “solely Afar”.

It’s unfortunate since Afars have been dealt the worst hand in terms of geography. It’s basically impossible for them to have an Afar state that can feed its population. They pretty much have to latch onto either Eri, Ethio or Djibouti. Tbh i’ve never understood the push to unify under Ethiopia when they could have more demographic parity if they unified under Eritrea or Djibouti compared to being a drop in the Ethiopian ocean

You make valid points. While it's true that their voice would be more impactful under Eritrea and Djibouti, since they constitute a bigger share of the populations in smaller countries; from what I've heard, the self-rule aspect is what appeals to them. But I agree that not only is an Afar ethno-state not viable, most of them don't even support it either, lol. Especially the Ethiopian ones, where almost 2/3 of them live.

Regarding Ethiopia, Afar seem to have had (and still do) a different relationship with the Ethiopian state than most ethnic groups in the country. They are one of the most patriotic people, not just Muslims, but overall in Ethiopia. I don't think they've ever fought/opposed the state (read: existence of Ethiopia) like everyone else, with the exception after the deposal of Haile Selassie, as thus the exile of their Sultan.

I think it started during Menelik's rule, whom they declared loyalty towards, when the Egyptians invaded late 1800s. It happened again by WW2 with the Italians. Even though they wanted to remained their Aussa sultanate, they got incorporated into Ethiopia. After some time, the current Afar chief sultan's father completely supported them and formed a friendship with Haile Selassie. He was allowed autonomy in Eth and even recognized with one of the highest titles within the monarchy at the time. Ever since then, him and his people declared loyalty and up until his death recently, he lobbied and worked on the Eri-Danakil/Afar uniting under Ethiopia, in particular post-Eri annexation into Eth. At the time, he managed to get Eri-Afars support, but it never materialized.

I remember reading somewhere when Meles made a mockery of the Ethiopian tricolor flag, that the sultan said something along the lines of, 'even our camels salute to the flag', loooool. With that said, I think because the Afar sultan is the spiritual leader of all Afars and their deep loyalty towards Ethiopia, that's why people perceive this way.

 

[dekiteshim]

You make valid points. While it's true that their voice would be more impactful under Eritrea and Djibouti, since they constitute a bigger share of the populations in smaller countries; from what I've heard, the self-rule aspect is what appeals to them. But I agree that not only is an Afar ethno-state not viable, most of them don't even support it either, lol. Especially the Ethiopian ones, where almost 2/3 of them live.

Regarding Ethiopia, Afar seem to have had (and still do) a different relationship with the Ethiopian state than most ethnic groups in the country. They are one of the most patriotic people, not just Muslims, but overall in Ethiopia. I don't think they've ever fought/opposed the state (read: existence of Ethiopia) like everyone else, with the exception after the deposal of Haile Selassie, as thus the exile of their Sultan.

I think it started during Menelik's rule, whom they declared loyalty towards, when the Egyptians invaded late 1800s. It happened again by WW2 with the Italians. Even though they wanted to remained their Aussa sultanate, they got incorporated into Ethiopia. After some time, the current Afar chief sultan's father completely supported them and formed a friendship with Haile Selassie. He was allowed autonomy in Eth and even recognized with one of the highest titles within the monarchy at the time. Ever since then, him and his people declared loyalty and up until his death recently, he lobbied and worked on the Eri-Danakil/Afar uniting under Ethiopia, in particular post-Eri annexation into Eth. At the time, he managed to get Eri-Afars support, but it never materialized.

I remember reading somewhere when Meles made a mockery of the Ethiopian tricolor flag, that the sultan said something along the lines of, 'even our camels salute to the flag', loooool. With that said, I think because the Afar sultan is the spiritual leader of all Afars and their deep loyalty towards Ethiopia, that's why people perceive this way.

Very insightful. I wasn’t fully aware of this.

As for letting Eri Afars self administer, it is a sticky situation. Eritrea is a nation built upon “hade hzbi, hade libi” (one people, one heart). It would be antithetical to our values to implement a form of ethnic federalism into policy. Also sets the precedent for other ethnic groups to pursue this and then we essentially become a mini Ethiopia.

Obviously, this can all be remedied by improving the economic situation of Eritreans. I doubt anyone would care for self rule if their material conditions were sufficient enough

 

[GaradShabeel]

Very insightful. I wasn’t fully aware of this.

As for letting Eri Afars self administer, it is a sticky situation. Eritrea is a nation built upon “hade hzbi, hade libi” (one people, one heart). It would be antithetical to our values to implement a form of ethnic federalism into policy. Also sets the precedent for other ethnic groups to pursue this and then we essentially become a mini Ethiopia.

Obviously, this can all be remedied by improving the economic situation of Eritreans. I doubt anyone would care for self rule if their material conditions were sufficient enough

I concur. The Afars are loyal to their respective countries of Ethiopia, Eritrea and Djibouti. Not to speak on their behalf, but to me, it seems like as long as they are involved and represented in the political sphere, they don't seem to have much problems with either of the countries.

In the case of Eritrea, correct me if I'm wrong, but many of them even supported the independence referendum from Ethiopia too.

Don't forget, the history of Ethiopia is the reason as to why federalism even exist to begin with. People don't trust the state and the state have a history of favoritizing some and oppressing other, which differs from Eritrea in many aspects. For instance, until the beginning of 90s, only Amharic was allowed to be taught at schools and in official use. In Eritrea, you don't even have any official one due to several languages spoken. But rather Tigrinya, Arabic and even English as working languages to accommodate your people.

Even within the context of Somalis, Somalis have it much better in Kenya without federalism than Ethiopia with so-called self-rule. Quite a few also identify with Kenyan identity too, which is less uncommon in Ethiopia. Moral of the story, countries should avoid making the mistakes of Ethiopia. Despite the problems around it today, I personally don't trust Ethiopia to the point of never wanting to return to a unitary state again.

 

[Ripemoos]

After doing some research Tigre, Tigrayan, an Tigrinya are three different groups of people.


Location
Tigre, Tigrinya = Eritrea
Tigrayan = Ethiopia

Language
Tigrinya, Tigrayan = Tigrinya
Tigre = Tigre

Religion
Tigrinya, Tigrayan = Christian
Tigre = Islam

They are all very closely related but Tigrinyas and Tigrayans are basically twins and Tigre is their older brother.

 

[Lebron James]

I was watching a Norweigan streamer yesterday complaining about protests happening in Norway by Eritreans. He's a liberal but the way he got pissed by it was funny, immigrants better get their act together before they make the natives turn on them.