Let’s put that to the vote and national dialogue, otherwise this is close to hearsay.
If greater Somalia happened
- Thread starter Khal Mah Oma
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I think Somalis would do well under a E.U. style Union.
The lawlessness and chaos is true for some more than others. We have hierarchy and a ruling class. Others don’t.
Riftvalley
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Somalis not respecting authority is not really true. There hasn’t been any major rebellions or outbreaks of civil war since the 90s in SL or PL. The problem in the south is that there hasn’t never been an indigenous local reconciliation campaign without the interference of neighbouring states or the UN/West. If there was a government where all the clan felt that they had input and the 4.5 system was scrapped, I think such a government would have tremendous support. It is not like most Somalis did not obey the Government from the 1960s. I would say Somalis are actually yearning for a central government which is for them and is just. The ease with which the ICU took most of the south would show you this. I even believe Hassan sheikh could have taken more parts of Somalia and even extended beyond the initial areas taken from Shabab. He isn’t just a bad leader operating in a system designed to trap Somalis.
reer
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i highly doubt that is possible. because multiple brutal warlords who abused other qabiils also defended their clans' civilians during the civil war.
bro 4.5 is actually similar to somali dhaqan. the major qabiils have big piece of hilib and minorities get the calooley. in somaliweyn might makes right. the only real way to avoid 4.5 or a similar version of 4.5 is a military dictatorship like the kacaan where samatar (minority qabiil) was powerful. even AS arent like itixad they dont really shake the local clan structures.
livinlavish
Live life to the fullest
I’ve been thinking about this recently as well. The most realistic form of Somaliweyn we can achieve (as of right now) is one where each state handles its own internal affairs, but on the global stage we are united. From Djibouti to DDS, to NFD, to South Somalia, to PL and beyond.
We have one army, one currency and one language. Only difference is that each state is responsible for their own local issues.
The only risk I see is that foreign powers might try to divide us or pit us against each other, which could be catastrophic and could break the entire union.
For this to work, we would need some form of reconciliation between every qabiil, so we don’t hold any grudges against each other and so that we can move forward, making it harder for outside forces to exploit our divisions.
Once the wounds of the civil war have truly healed (no matter how long it takes) we can finally rise again as one Somali nation, and make Somaliweyn a reality.
Token gabooye who couldn’t threaten marexan hold on power. I hate to break it to you but 4.5 was being used in the junta era too.
Riftvalley
VIP
Reconciliation between clans can happen even if takes a while. A lot of people forget that the Isaaq had a mini civil war a few years after declaring independence. Elders literally went on tour going to different locations making peace between clans and actors. In the south- it will be complicated because of the extra diversity and foreign intervention. The Isaaq and Dhulbahante made peace after the civil war, as did the Gadabursi. I don’t think it is impossible for clans in the south to come to indigenous clan sharing agreements.
Somalis are not fighting Ethiopia or NFD because they’re generally happy with the current arrangements. If Somalis were generally anti authority they would have given more headaches to these two states; on the contrary, Somalis are generally peaceful and are participating more in the their states especially Kenya. The times Somalis rebel en masse is when there severe hardship/oppression or when they’re rights are denied (Kenya and Ethiopia taking Somali regions).
I am not a foreigner. I am a Somali like you and if I wanted to run around Puntland, I will and what will you do about it. Foreigner my backfoot.
You will be arrested, processed in a jail, put on a bus, and deported.
You do not have a hierarchy. True acceptance of rulership is you an MJ being ok with being ruled by a Warsengli or an Hg or Abgaal or Marehaan, but being the typical Somali that is riddled with a superiority complex, you’re only ok with an MJ ruling you. You’re not special, other sub tribes are also ok with their sub tribe ruling as well.
lol, we both know I wouldn’t. I’m a woman also, surprisingly Somali sexism works in hardy at times, the men will literally just dismiss me as a Gabadh.
Puntland nativist platform is for puntlanders, it does not include other peoples. We never once advocated for ruling over others. Nor will we accept others ruling over us in our own land. We are a national movement in PL for PL.
Our foundations lay on love for our country and not clan supremacy.
You’ll get deported by PL women. It is not a man’s business (so yes in a way) Trespassing is not tolerated and marti must not out stay their welcome (3 days max)
PL women like the rest of Somalis are hardly in Gov or the police force and are normal citizens. What on earth are you talking about?
I’m not a Marti in PL, since PL is still part of Somalia and you’re mad to think that people can be kicked out? How do you know I don’t have uncles there I can live with? How do you know I don’t have family? Is my qabil written on my forehead?
Tribalists are truly the most low IQ of the bunch.
I’m not gonna waste my time arguing with a border hopper/trespasser in waiting. And Idk how many times I have to repeat this but my arguments are national not clannish. PL is de facto independent. cill u dhimo ama cirka u qaylii. Good day.
PL is a one clan enclave that is now having Intra-Harti conflicts. SSC would soon rather join SL than be under their PL brothers who have little to offer except violence and a safe haven for terrorists.
reer
VIP
absolutely.
it will never happen.
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isaaq vs dhulbahante damaged isaaq politics severely. isaaq lost sympathy points from the SL shenanigans in sool.
plenty of somalis will bow to kuffar enemy crusaders in galbeed and rebel against fellow somalis. it is what it is.
