If Ethiopia were to collapse, how would it affect Somalis as a whole

[Zarathustra]

Why are you lying? If you don't know anything about Harar, just say so. But trying to say that 'Somalis aren't even in the city' is ridiculous and factually incorrect.

Have you been to the city yourself? I have and there are no Somalis there. There are only Oromos, Amharas, and some Hararis.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

That is completely hotep history, the Harla are the Harari's ancestors and this is accepted by most historians.

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Did you just get that off Wikipedia? don’t even bother debating atp

Do you read? I said why do you need to know Oromo cities?

Do y’all even have any notable ones?

 

[GaradShabeel]

Have you been to the city yourself? I have and there are no Somalis there. There are only Oromos, Amharas, and some Hararis.

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[Zarathustra]

Did you just get that off Wikipedia? don’t even bother debating atp

If I got it off Wikipedia, then I'd look like Wikipedia. Where did you get your source? From a forum?

Do y’all even have any notable ones?

You clearly suffer from dyslexia or something of that sort.

 

[Zarathustra]

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I am literally from Harar, why else would I be defending my people? There are literally no Somalis in the city. You're clearly making shit up you've never been there ever lmao.

 

[GaradShabeel]

I am literally from Harar, why else would I be defending my people? There are literally no Somalis in the city. You're clearly making shit up you've never been there ever lmao.

Loooool. Even the official Ethiopian census would corroborate my claims. Please take a look at it and return once you've seen it. There's no point in arguing about widely known/available facts


You must be one of those diaspora who grew up in the west and have little knowledge about the ethnic make-up of the region. Are you Harari or Oromo?

 

[Zarathustra]

Loooool. Even the official Ethiopian census would corroborate my claims. Please take a look at it and return when you've seen it. There's no point in arguing about widely available facts

I was born and raised in Harar and I have not met a single Somali ever. There may be some in the outer administrative city (Harar is an administrative district) but inside the city itself there are no Somalis.

You must be one of those diaspora who grew up in the west and have little knowledge about the ethnic make-up of the region. Are you Harari or Oromo?

I am an ethnic Oromo.

 

[GaradShabeel]

I was born and raised in Harar and I have not met a single Somali ever. There may be some in the outer administrative city (Harar is an administrative district) but inside the city itself there are no Somalis.

Well, you specifically may not personally have met Somalis in that case. As I told you before, if you don't believe me, go to the official census. From the one in 2007, Somalis (which mostly included only those who speak Somali as native language) constituted almost 7% of the urban Harari population.

 

[Haragwaafi]

It will be economically disastrous for somalis in the region if that happens

 

[dekiteshim]

History will repeat itself and will spill over to the rest of the Horns as usual but I think this time will be different. Opinions will change because in the past, no one knew what Tigrai-Tigrinya and Amhara Christians did. There was no social media or anything reliable to see what was happening inside.

History have shown that conflict were heavily concentrated in the Highland (North Ethiopia and Eritrea) for very clear reasons, it's survival mechanism for those Abyssinian when they're being threatened by the Afar, Saho, Jeberti and those that live among them.

The question is will those Cushitic Muslim ethnicities finally leave their qabil aside and get their shit together or remain humiliated as usual?

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Wrong on a lot of things.

First, the Tigrinya (not the Tigrayans) are native to the Eritrean Highlands. I’m not sure why you think that Yohannes put them there.

Secondly, Jebha (the ELF) was 50/50 religiously just before the Derg came to power. Muslims were the first to pick up arms as the atrocities committed by Selassie were done in the Eritrean Lowlands first. Shabiya (the EPLF) was founded as a front to unite all Eritreans under one ideology (Eritrean nationalism and also Leninism at the time) due to the sectarianism within Jebha that caused it to collapse.

The idea that the EPLF wanted to pursue Tigrinya hegemony is bullshit too. The whole reason why the EPLF and the TPLF fell out during the civil war was because the TPLF proposed to the EPLF a system of ethnonationalism. A big part of why so many Tigrayans starved is because the EPLF cut off the aid route into Tigray from Sudan because of their ideological differences and unwillingness to cooperate.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

Dang what's up with the Oromo hate?

I don't hate Oromo, where did you get that from? I simply have a mild dislike for paganism that tends to manifest in strange ways at random

 

[Zarathustra]

I don't hate Oromo, where did you get that from? I simply have a mild dislike for paganism that tends to manifest in strange ways at random

The majority of Oromos are not pagan. Only 2% of them are pagan.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

The majority of Oromos are not pagan. Only 2% of them are pagan.

Good to know brother.

 

[Aseer]

You did not make Harar. Harar was built by Hararis. There may have been some mixed Somalis/Afars/Argobba Adalites but Adal and Harar is mainly focused on the Harari ethnic group, hence called Harar.

And not every age of colonization ends, especially if you settle in the lands such as the United States, the Cape in South Africa, the Greeks who live in Egypt, the Jews who live in Europe, so on and so forth. You can't just kick these innocent people out.

Oromos that live in Harar are not assimulated.. clearly you have no idea what settle means. Are United States citizens assimulated Native Americans? Are the Dutch in South Africa assimulated Bantu? Stop justifying your stupid claims to justify your hate for Oromos.

Harar never belonged to Somalia, it has always belonged to Hararis. You know whats absolutely halarious that you probably have no idea of? Most Hararis claim Habesha and they are some of the Ethiopianist ethnic groups in our country. Obviously you wouldn't know that because one you have never met an Harari and second you have never been to Harar because you wouldn't know that ALL ethnic groups co-exist peacefully in the city.

"Wallahi you don't know the hate I have for you Oromos" kaffir behavior. How could you call yourself a Muslim seriously lol.

Clearly, you have do not know ANYTHING about Oromo people and their history. We have not ruled anyone? Who is ruling the country right now? Which ethnic group is most contributed within the current ruling party? Not only are we ruling Ethiopia right now, we ruled Ethiopia for over 200 years during the Zemene Mesafint, replacing Ethiopian Solomonic monarchies and properly teaching Abyssinians how to fight. So I have no idea what you are talking about. In fact, isn't it Ogaden that always gets run over?

I have never compared Oromos to Somalis, ever and nor do I intend to do so. We are our own ethnic group with own traditions.

I think you should do some research before chatting to me. Oromos have no intention to fight the Ethiopian government because why would we fight ourselves? So who are you calling a cuck? What is Ogaden doing right now that is unstabilizing the government? Absolutely nothing.

And the funniest part is that you insult me because you are wrong. You don't even feel embarassed from showing your low IQ you're sad bro.

This will go back and forth just keep believing in your oromo fantasy and cope.

 

[Aseer]

Hararis = inhabitants of Harar, it’s not an ethnicity and the first mention of Hararis were about Somalis. Argobba were pagans before Imam Ahmed converted them and don’t have anything to do with Harar.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/first-mention-of-harari.157713/

The inhabitants of Hararghe are mostly Somalia who got assimilated linguistically and know speak Oromo but their culture/genetics are very much Somali so we’re not thinking of kicking them out or anything.

Even the “Oromos” in Harar know well that they’re assimilated and that their origins are Somali, I’ve met a few who’ve told me this personally.

Hararis don’t claim Habesha and they aren’t even a real ethnicity to begin with. Read my first excerpt about this.

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It’s well known that Oromos are barbarians don’t contribute any history to Ethiopia or the Horn in general. I don’t say this out of hate for Oromos but it is the truth, wherever the Oromos lived they brought down rhe culture and development of the areas and even dropped the local iq.View attachment 308891


Oromos being under Ethiopia for centuries while Somalis were dealt the wrong hand by the British Empire are two separate things, but let’s stay on topic.

 

[NordicSomali]

I think it’s guaranteed that it will collapse sooner or later.

 

[Kizaru]

i think fighting over ethnic lines will always end up bad.