I have changed my Mind on Abortion

[Man with a garuun]

I wish men would genuinely instead of looking at birth control as “oh people use it cause of c wide spread ziina,” ( no shade sir, still made somewhat good points ), that they would research history as how common children were dying and how child birth was the number one cause of death for women.
Men need to understand how dangerous as you said back to back pregnancy is, and how the women in my life had to do intensive surgeries as a result of unnecessary c sections and pregnancies and not listening to the doctor warning them about having multiple children.

How many men out here will push their wives for more kids, despite just having 3 kids back to back, or multiple c sections ? These men at times will ignore the doctors advice and their wife’s health just to have more kids.

We don’t have these types of conversations in our culture and it showing in the men of today, who only focus on the evils of birth control.

Angelina, if you only had seen the amount of women I knew who cried to me about how all the kids they had back to back wrecked havoc on their health and bodies, and how they all told me… every single one of them… how they wish they could’ve gone back and had two kids at the most.

These friends of mine all have to use secret forms of birth control cause their husbands keep making them have more children.

Family planning is allowed in Islam. That is my understanding. That means married couple not engaging in sex for awhile or performing 'azl (men pulling out......), etc.

That being said, one should not ignore the side effects of today's "contraceptive measures" especially to women's health and their future offspring (https://nwhn.org/hormone-risk-throu...f9kDAIduFx3MSjAnHZPNsIgYRSrMgPx0aAr1VEALw_wcB).

We should also not ignore its other effects on people's declining morals. Because of the publicity that it prevents pregnancy, many are engaging in sex out of the wedlock, thinking they would not get pregnant. And since those contraceptives fail sometimes, they resort to getting an abortion because they don't want the child in this stage in their lives or may be didn't even want to have children at all. So in essence, deploying contraceptives lead to abortion for many unmarried women. This is where the banning of the birth control is being discussed in many conservative states in the US.

At the end, functioning societies need a moral code, and saving human life should be the center of that moral code. Societies can't discuss the immoral culture of taking the life of the unborn without discussing the leading causes to that heinous crime. Deploying contraceptive bills and other methods of birth control are some of the leading causes to that problem simply because they don't always prevent pregnancy - nothwithstanding to women's heath and their future offspring.

 

[Angelina]

Yh what do you think people were doing for thousands of years before this western invention?
Ask yourself why birth control was even made in the first place?
No birth control was made due to good intentions, just because married women use it doesn't justify its use.

Women were literally dying due to back to back pregnancies. Do a bit of research please. A lot of things are 'Western' inventions wtf. Hundreds of years ago, people were dying of common colds and natural remedies wasn't working. Now we have all sorts of pills and syrups to fight infections ect. Contraceptives are more effective than 'natural' remedies the same way a lot of medicines are.

It was created because natural remedies of birth control were clearly not working. In the past, people were not able to spread out the amount of kids unless they abstained from intimacy. How can you expect a couple to do that?

Also, many women are told by doctors to not have more children due to health problems, so what are you advocating? What solutions are there? Should women be condemned to more ill health, potential death, exhaustion? Many men would leave or seek a 2nd wife if they couldn't sleep with their spouses. Why should women be denied a life without intimacy when she can easily get contraceptives?!

Also, we don't need you to justify it. It is completely halal. And most married women use it in their lifetime and it even helps women regulate their menses ect. I've had enough of a lot of men's selfish takes as the end of the day, all a lot of men care about is their sexual pleasure at the expense of women who have to go through all of this and yet you still feel the need to voice your unneeded opinions.

 

[Angelina]

Family planning is allowed in Islam. That is my understanding. That means married couple not engaging in sex for awhile or performing 'azl (men pulling out......), etc.

That being said, one should not ignore the side effects of today's "contraceptive measures" especially to women's health and their future offspring (https://nwhn.org/hormone-risk-throu...f9kDAIduFx3MSjAnHZPNsIgYRSrMgPx0aAr1VEALw_wcB).

We should also not ignore its other effects on people's declining morals. Because of the publicity that it prevents pregnancy, many are engaging in sex out of the wedlock, thinking they would not get pregnant. And since those contraceptives fail sometimes, they resort to getting an abortion because they don't want the child in this stage in their lives or may be didn't even want to have children at all. So in essence, deploying contraceptives lead to abortion for many unmarried women. This is where the banning of the birth control is being discussed in many conservative states in the US.

At the end, functioning societies need a moral code, and saving human life should be the center of that moral code. Societies can't discuss the immoral culture of taking the life of the unborn without discussing the leading causes to that heinous crime. Deploying contraceptive bills and other methods of birth control are some of the leading causes to that problem simply because they don't always prevent pregnancy - nothwithstanding to women's heath and their future offspring.

If you truly cared about women's health you'd know that for many back to back pregnancy does more damage than birth control. So please, drop that argument as there are lot of options and one's that are completely fine.


Also, azl hardly works. That is why birth control was created. If that worked effectively, people wouldn't bother with pills ect. Gaals would still engage in Zina if azl had a 95% success rate.

-What about women who should no longer have kids due to health problems? Should they now live a life of abstinence? Christians/Catholics you take from will say yes, why because for them, sex is strictly for procreation.

-What about women who need to space out their children, or can't have kids for a year or two?

- What about women that need to regulate their menses? The pill is usually the most effective treatment.

Banning contraceptives is just going to increase back - alley abortions. If zina is still seen as acceptable in society and the culturally people are going to engage in it. The only thing that would decrease their rates is by banning zina, not using measures that make all women suffer. Contraceptives are available in most Muslim countries and it isn't abused? Why because rampant Zina isn't normalised.

It is allowed in Islam, that is all that matters. You're not Catholic walal, so stop with your talking points.

 

[Man with a garuun]

Banning contraceptives is just going to increase back - alley abortions.

It is allowed in Islam, that is all that matters. You're not Catholic walal, so stop with your talking points.

The only thing that would decrease their rates is by banning zina, not using measures that make all women suffer. Contraceptives are available in most Muslim countries and it isn't abused? Why because rampant Zina isn't normalised.

What about the side effects of current contraceptives? I mentioned two contraceptives that Muslims in the past deployed:

1) Obtaining from sex for a certain period of time, as it can be done;
2) performing 'azl by the men pulling out at the last moment before they eject the seamen. Those were the 2 steps that were documented.

On the second step, if a child comes because man wasn't quick enough to pull out, then alxamdulillah.

However, as it is mentioned in this site, https://nwhn.org/hormone-risk-throu...f9kDAIduFx3MSjAnHZPNsIgYRSrMgPx0aAr1VEALw_wcB, the other contraceptive methods are dangerous to the women's health and to the children they'll carry in their womb in the future.

Lastly, I don't understand your refusal to admit the two options that I mentioned which Muslims in the past used to parctice without deploying deadly contraceptive methods.

 

[Angelina]

What about the side effects of current contraceptives? I mentioned two contraceptives that Muslims in the past deployed:

1) Obtaining from sex for a certain period of time, as it can be done;
2) performing 'azl by the men pulling out at the last moment before they eject the seamen. Those were the 2 steps that were documented.

On the second step, if a child comes because man wasn't quick enough to pull out, then alxamdulillah.

However, as it is mentioned in this site, https://nwhn.org/hormone-risk-throu...f9kDAIduFx3MSjAnHZPNsIgYRSrMgPx0aAr1VEALw_wcB, the other contraceptive methods are dangerous to the women's health and to the children they'll carry in their womb in the future.

Lastly, I don't understand your refusal to admit the two options that I mentioned which Muslims in the past used to parctice without deploying deadly contraceptive methods.

-Abstaining? Do you expect a couple not to sleep with each other for years when they simply can use birth control? Like why? Is intimacy only for procreation?

-What if a woman has issues with her reproductive health and the doctors says she shouldn't have any kids anymore? No more intimacy now? A lifetime of abstinence?! Please answer this.

- If a child comes from Azl, even though the doctor has clearly warned her that she may die. What will happen? Obviously an abortion?! Duuuh. Azl isn't effective whatsoever.

-Lol, no there are many different types of birth control. It depends on the type and birth control has progressed.

- Saxib, if you truly cared about women's health you'd know that back to back pregnancies for many is even more dangerous. Azl isn't effective and people of the past used to try this but still pregnancy and birthing was the biggest killer of women in the past.

Azl isn't effective. Everyone knows that. If it was birth control wouldn't be needed. In fact, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Like seriously read what i'm writing and stop taking this Christian Catholic talking points. You're a Muslim and birth control is allowed.

 

[Angelina]

@Roorigeg

If Azl was effective, we would not be having a conversation about birth control.

Also, they're thinking of banning condoms which is even more ridiculous. You can't be in agreement with that right?

 

[Man with a garuun]

Azl hardly works. That is why birth control was created. If that worked effectively, people wouldn't bother with pills ect. Gaals would still engage in Zina if azl had a 95% success rate.

-What about women who should no longer have kids due to health problems? Should they now live a life of abstinence? Christians/Catholics you take from will say yes, why because for them, sex is strictly for procreation.

Where did I take my directions from Catholics? Married Muslims used to refrain from sexual intercourse out of respect for their wives' health and when their wives were raising children for a period of time. You accuse people and it seems your guidance comes from other ideologies outside of Muslim traditions.

-What about women who want to space out their children, or can't have kids for a year or two?

- What about women that need to regulate their menses? The pill is usually the most effective treatment.

What about the long-term effects of these bills on women's health? Studies after studies documented the side effects that these methods have on women their future offspring.

Banning contraceptives is just going to increase back - alley abortions.

If it is going to increase abortion, that is on them. We're talking about societies with moral code. It is actually contraceptives which increase the chances of abortion. as the women abort children

It is allowed in Islam, that is all that matters. You're not Catholic walal, so stop with your talking points.

The Catholic nuns and priests abstaining from sexual activities have nothing to do with us in this respect. What I referred to was husband and wife not having an intercourse for certain period of time if their health requires or if the wife is breastfeeding or raising children and want to space it out.

They can also perform 'azl.

These 2 practices have nothing to do with Islam.

The only thing that would decrease their rates is by banning zina, not using measures that make all women suffer. Contraceptives are available in most Muslim countries and it isn't abused? Why because rampant Zina isn't normalised.

There are Muslim-majority countries but there are no Muslim governments who enforce sharia. And I doubt the side effects of these contraceptives were ever looked at or researched. My opposition to these bills that you're promoting is 2-fold:

1) They put the health of the mother and future children in danger;
2) They encourage premarital sex, where women would think they aren't going to get pregnant, therefore, they are going to have sex,

 

[Angelina]

@Roorigeg

Where did I take my directions from Catholics? Married Muslims used to refrain from sexual intercourse out of respect for their wives' health and when their wives were raising children for a period of time. You accuse people and it seems your guidance comes from other ideologies outside of Muslim traditions.


What about the long-term effects of these bills on women's health? Studies after studies documented the side effects that these methods have on women their future offspring.



If it is going to increase abortion, that is on them. We're talking about societies with moral code. It is actually contraceptives which increase the chances of abortion. as the women abort children



The Catholic nuns and priests abstaining from sexual activities have nothing to do with us in this respect. What I referred to was husband and wife not having an intercourse for certain period of time if their health requires or if the wife is breastfeeding or raising children and want to space it out.

They can also perform 'azl.

These 2 practices have nothing to do with Islam.




There are Muslim-majority countries but there are no Muslim governments who enforce sharia. And I doubt the side effects of these contraceptives were ever looked at or researched. My opposition to these bills that you're promoting is 2-fold:

1) They put the health of the mother and future children in danger;
2) They encourage premarital sex, where women would think they aren't going to get pregnant, therefore, they are going to have sex,

You're not answering my questions.

- is it feasible for a couple to refrain from intercourse for years or even forever? I keep on telling you, but you don't take this into account some women are told NEVER to get pregnant again. What then?

- I just told you there are various types of birth control and many do not pose a risk nor the children. Also, medicine is advancing.

- Most medications have a bit of a side effect. Should we ban all of them?

-How come there is no talks of banning viagra which also have side effects?

- If a woman can get access to birth control that doesn't effect her health and many do btw. Most married women don't have much of an issue and they can continue with having intimacy, why is that an issue for you?

@Roorigeg, do you know the side effects of back to back pregnancies? Married couples who are in close quarters that are attracted to each other slip up all the time and many husbands aren't as respectful or understand the full consequences and may pressure their wives as @Amina99 has mentioned. In fact in the past many women died of child birth, so history shows us that you're advocating simply doesn't work. You simply cannot expect people to refrain for years. Also, people didn't refrain, so what you wrote is absolute fantasy babble.

Actually read what @Amina99 wrote and take women's experience into account as we are the ones that have to deal and suffer with the consequences.

 

[Basra]

AzL.......

 

[Man with a garuun]

@Roorigeg

You're not answering my questions.

- is it feasible for a couple to refrain from intercourse for years or even forever?

For certain of period of time, yes. Especially, if women's health warrants it. It was also done for family planning reasons. If the married couple can't wait that period, they can perform 'azl.

I keep on telling you, but you don't take this into account some women are told NEVER to get pregnant again. What then?

Who is telling women not to get pregnant? I am not getting your point here.

- I just told you there are various types of birth control and many do not pose a risk nor the children. Also, medicine is advancing.

- Most medications have a bit of a side effect. Should we ban all of them?

I am going by what established studies say about contraceptives. They have side effects which are devastating for the women and future children in the long run. Don't take it on me; take it on the researchers who publish those findings.

-How come there is no talks of banning viagra which also have side effects?

Viagra? Why did you mention it?

The health of the women and future children are not in danger if their husbands use them. So I don't understand how hormone altering contraceptive bills can be compared with "Viagra". My understanding is, it used by older men who want to stay on their wives far longer than they would've been without the Viagra bills. I don't understand how it fits in this discussion?

- If a woman can get access to birth control that doesn't effect her health and many do btw. Most married women don't have much of an issue and they can continue with having intimacy, why is that an issue for you?

We're discussing the side effects of contraceptive bills and their effects on women and their future offspring but also their larger effects on society from moral lenses. If health is not an issue, these promoted contraceptives encourage young women to have sex out of wedlock and don't worry about the outcome. And when they fail. they're encouraged to abort the child. Contraceptives and abortion are interconnected whether you accept or not!

@Roorigeg, do you know the side effects of back to back pregnancies? Married couples who are in close quarters that are attracted to each other slip up all the time and many husbands aren't as respectful or understand the full consequences and may pressure their wives as @Amina99 has mentioned. In fact in the past many women died of child birth, so history shows us that you're advocating simply doesn't work. You simply cannot expect people to refrain for years. Also, people didn't refrain, so what you wrote is absolute fantasy babble.

Well, education is needed, and women should have a final say on these matters. A husband forcing his wife to have intercourse is different than the contraceptives which are promoted to society. The 2 issues are not related. I honestly think you want to defend abortion and sex out of wedlock. and contraceptives are your means to hide that agenda.

Actually read what @Amina99 wrote and take women's experience into account as we are the ones that have to deal and suffer with the consequences.

Remain chase before getting married, marry a decent man whom you can communicate with, and stay clear from these gaalo-promoted schemes of contraception and abortion. Audubillah, what are we discussing here? I hope no Somali Muslima takes directions from you.

 

[Shimbiris]

most ppl in the world should not have children then because most ppl in the world live in third world countries and likely to suffer from some kind of poverty in their life

Cadaans, especially liberal elites, are all about this. They want us folks of the "mud races" in the "global south" to start family planning and using contraceptives cos "overpopulation" and they don't want us having the same lifestyles they do cos they've mostly dried this planet up and there's not enough left for us to do the same.

 

[Angelina]

1. @Roorigeg

Gaals are going to continue to have sex outside of marriage with or without it. In the past, they used to go to back - alley abortion clinics. Unfortunately, they have a dhaqan of rampant zina. The minset of both the men and women need to change.

2. I'm talking about Muslim couples and societies. In places like Saudi and other gulf nations in which people are alhamdulliah mostly chaste, married couples are allowed to use it. The doctors can prescribe it to couples and whether your married or single it is in your file.

Don't try and insult me and suggest i'm promoting haram. Majority of Islamic scholars allow it if only used temporarily and obviously children are a blessing.I'm simply looking it at it from married woman's perspective and alhamdulliah many women use it to space out children ect with no issues.

 

[HiraanBorn]

Yes, they did. In fact child birth was the number one killer of young women. Child birth is a form of Jihad for women in Islam.

Also, a lot of children would die before 5, but women could be getting pregnant 15 times in a lifetime and for a lot of women back to back pregnancy without any spacing isn't great.

The fact of the matter is that birth control lowers the overall fertility rate in society, which is what we are seeing in the West and other high-income nations. Go ask the Japanese government what it is like to live in a nation where there are more old people than young.

People had many children in the pre-modern world because of high infant mortality rates. Yes, childbirth could result in the end of a woman's life but what's the alternative, stop having children? Men had to risk their lives on the battlefield and women had to risk their lives in childbirth.

 

[Angelina]

The fact of the matter is that birth control lowers the overall fertility rate in society, which is what we are seeing in the West and other high-income nations. Go ask the Japanese government what it is like to live in a nation where there are more old people than young.

People had many children in the pre-modern world because of high infant mortality rates. Yes, childbirth could result in the end of a woman's life but what's the alternative, stop having children? Men had to risk their lives on the battlefield and women had to risk their lives in childbirth.

How many battles would the average man fight? Constant pregnancy is a yearly thing. Really not the same. Also, very rich coming from a modern man who probably works in an air conditioned office.

A woman can have a few children, but take breaks. That is why Islam allow contraceptives temporarily. A woman can 4 to 5 kids and still take it to space it out, which is a good amount.

Honestly, a lot of you guys here are coming across as lacking naxaaris and its scary authobillah. An alternative is for women to still have children but allow her body to rest by taking contraceptives so she can have it the following year ect. Your comment was disgustingly xasiid wallahi.

All of these high income nations have another issue you fail to take into consideration and its funny you mention Japan: high cost of living and expensive day care centres. What incentives are they giving these gaals to have many children if both mum and dad have to work and daycare is super expensive?!

 

[HiraanBorn]

How many battles would the average man fight? Constant pregnancy is a yearly thing. Really not the same. Also, very rich coming from a modern man who probably works in an air conditioned office.

A woman can have a few children, but take breaks. That is why Islam allow contraceptives temporarily. A woman can 4 to 5 kids and still take it to space it out, which is a good amount.

Honestly, a lot of you guys here are coming across as lacking naxaaris and its scary authobillah. An alternative is for women to still have children but allow her body to rest by taking contraceptives so she can have it the following year ect. Your comment was disgustingly xasiid wallahi.

All of these high income nations have another issue you fail to take into consideration and its funny you mention Japan: high cost of living and expensive day care centres. What incentives are they giving these gaals to have many children if both mum and dad have to work and daycare is super expensive?!

I was elaborating on the pre-modern reality of men and women not that we would should apply such standards in the current time. I'm not even against birth control but I don't believe they are entirely good either.

I had a female friend in the past who used to complain about the hormonal and other physiological side effects of taking the pill would give her.

Modern medical practices have done great things for women in terms of their reproductive issues and everyone including myself is grateful for it. Don't take my explanation of past historical practices as callousness towards women. It was reality.

As for my comment to do with fertility rates in Japan, yes there are other factors involved in the low birth rates in that nation as you mentioned.

However, there is a direct correlation between the overuse of easily accessible birth control and low birth rates, you can't disregard that.

 

[Man with a garuun]

1. @Roorigeg

Gaals are going to continue to have sex outside of marriage with or without it. In the past, they used to go to back - alley abortion clinics. Unfortunately, they have a dhaqan of rampant zina. The minset of both the men and women need to change.

2. I'm talking about Muslim couples and societies. In places like Saudi and other gulf nations in which people are alhamdulliah mostly chaste, married couples are allowed to use it. The doctors can prescribe it to couples and whether your married or single it is in your file.

Don't try and insult me and suggest i'm promoting haram. Majority of Islamic scholars allow it if only used temporarily and obviously children are a blessing.I'm simply looking it at it from married woman's perspective and alhamdulliah many women use it to space out children ect with no issues.

I am assuming you're in the medical field, especially in the gynecology field. So if you don't mind me asking, do you prescribe these contraceptive bills to your patients?

Besides, since when Saudi and Emirati regimes' health departments represented Islam? Their clergy endorses anything directed from these regimes, and there is nothing hardly Islamic about their actions.

Family planning is not the issue here. I never disputed that fact. I disputed the contraceptive bills and your claim that they're safe. They aren't safe based on studies that I've read.

I also shed a light on the larger effect that these contraceptive bills have on societies: It is virtually promotion of sex outside of wedlock.

Lastly, when the story of the US Supreme Court outlawing abortion came out, you were criticizing the conservative judges. And to me, that was an endorsement of abortion. And now you're promoting contraceptive bills. Therefore, we can add 2 + 2. It is obvious to me where your loyalties lie!

Have a nice day.

 

[Angelina]

I am assuming you're in the medical field, especially in the gynecology field. So if you don't mind me asking, do you prescribe these contraceptive bills to your patients?

Besides, since when Saudi and Emirati regimes' health departments represented Islam? Their clergy endorses anything directed from these regimes, and there is nothing hardly Islamic about their actions.

Family planning is not the issue here. I never disputed that fact. I disputed the contraceptive bills and your claim that they're safe. They aren't safe based on studies that I've read.

I also shed a light on the larger effect that these contraceptive bills have on societies: It is virtually promotion of sex outside of wedlock.

Lastly, when the story of the US Supreme Court outlawing abortion came out, you were criticizing the conservative judges. And to me, that was an endorsement of abortion. And now you're promoting contraceptive bills. Therefore, we can add 2 + 2. It is obvious to me where your loyalties lie!

Have a nice day.

Are you saying contraceptive pills are haram? As far as I checked non Saudi scholars also think its halal provided you take it only temporarily. So what is your point exactly? What does that have to do with their regime?!

Why would I promote birth control? It is halal. Get overself lol. Everyone knows you're allowed to use it within marriage temporarily. Strict Catholics on the other hand say you can't. That is why i accused you of taking their talking points.

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[Amina99]

-Abstaining? Do you expect a couple not to sleep with each other for years when they simply can use birth control? Like why? Is intimacy only for procreation?

-What if a woman has issues with her reproductive health and the doctors says she shouldn't have any kids anymore? No more intimacy now? A lifetime of abstinence?! Please answer this.

- If a child comes from Azl, even though the doctor has clearly warned her that she may die. What will happen? Obviously an abortion?! Duuuh. Azl isn't effective whatsoever.

-Lol, no there are many different types of birth control. It depends on the type and birth control has progressed.

- Saxib, if you truly cared about women's health you'd know that back to back pregnancies for many is even more dangerous. Azl isn't effective and people of the past used to try this but still pregnancy and birthing was the biggest killer of women in the past.

Azl isn't effective. Everyone knows that. If it was birth control wouldn't be needed. In fact, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Like seriously read what i'm writing and stop taking this Christian Catholic talking points. You're a Muslim and birth control is allowed.

All I can do is sigh … there’s various forms of birth control and some men seem to only focus on the pill contraceptive, and focus on the chemical aspects of that one. When there’s the needle / shot, the patch, various types of IUDs, this one small plastic one you can insert into your arm… a woman would do the research and choose based on what suits her best and how each one may affect her health.

To the men arguing that back to back is ok… and how precious the life of the child is… What happens when that mother passes away cause she wasn’t able to get access to birth control and had various unnecessary children and passed away cause of health complications from the birth?

Or cause she went and got a back alley abortion?
Cause that happens a lot, but we don’t put focus on that.

 

[Taij4an]

Women were literally dying due to back to back pregnancies. Do a bit of research please. A lot of things are 'Western' inventions wtf. Hundreds of years ago, people were dying of common colds and natural remedies wasn't working. Now we have all sorts of pills and syrups to fight infections ect. Contraceptives are more effective than 'natural' remedies the same way a lot of medicines are.

It was created because natural remedies of birth control were clearly not working. In the past, people were not able to spread out the amount of kids unless they abstained from intimacy. How can you expect a couple to do that?

Also, many women are told by doctors to not have more children due to health problems, so what are you advocating? What solutions are there? Should women be condemned to more ill health, potential death, exhaustion? Many men would leave or seek a 2nd wife if they couldn't sleep with their spouses. Why should women be denied a life without intimacy when she can easily get contraceptives?!

Also, we don't need you to justify it. It is completely halal. And most married women use it in their lifetime and it even helps women regulate their menses ect. I've had enough of a lot of men's selfish takes as the end of the day, all a lot of men care about is their sexual pleasure at the expense of women who have to go through all of this and yet you still feel the need to voice your unneeded opinions.

-People donot die bc of common colds, ur body can naturally get rid of them, it is only serious illnesses that can kill you
-Im not against western inventions, im against inventions which were not even made for the purpose they are used for and have a more negative effect on society than a good one
-Their are natural contraceptive methods, which donot harms the human body or the wider society, but modern contraceptives negatively harms society and the individual and their use is not justified
-No birth control was created specifically to prevent the spread of STDs and the like, and to control on people who had sex outside of marriage, it was not made for married ppl, up until recently when it became more common then married people started using it, if you do enough research it is clear that most birth control is not healthy for women
-You are overexaggerating the problem, most ppl in the past used natural contraceptive methods and were fine,
-Just bc something is halal doesnt mean its something you should do
-It helps women regulate their menses bc its used as a medicine not as birth control, so u mentioned a completely different purpose for using it
-This has nothing to do with a mans own please, A women can have birth control and im 99% most men would prefer a women to be on birth control so he can do whatever he wants and not have the risk of children
IN fact birth control benefits men, they can do whatever they want and dont have to wrry about having children, please do not try to make this into a gender issue like everyone in this forum does,

 

[Taij4an]

Yes, they did. In fact child birth was the number one killer of young women. Child birth is a form of Jihad for women in Islam.

Also, a lot of children would die before 5, but women could be getting pregnant 15 times in a lifetime and for a lot of women back to back pregnancy without any spacing isn't great.

Nope, thats only in recent times, if you do enough research u would realise that childbirth only recently became a risk for women in the past 400 hundred years