Have We Acknowledged Just How Devastating

[McLovin]

The Ogaden war was on our collective national psyche? I don't think we will ever see Somalis from all clan and regional walks fighting together as a unit like those days

 

[Galaeri]

Those days won't return for a long time saxib. It will be a long time before we can even abandon our grievances let alone prejudices. Hopefully when we get a leader that is a visionary when can make real progress that will allow us to work as a family.

 

[Apollo]

Somalia is much better today than back in those days.

The only thing that changed is that we are comparatively doing much worse than our neighbors.

 

[Adheer Warsame]

Somalis need to realise that Somalia would never get Ogaden back and never will. We have to acknowledge that the invasion was a horrible idea and devastated us in the 80s.
I was never a fan of siad barre and his left wing ideology.

 

[Apollo]

Somalis need to realise that Somalia would never get Ogaden back and never will. We have to acknowledge that the invasion was a horrible idea and devastated us in the 80s.
I was never a fan of siad barre and his left wing ideology.

The invasion was a genius move. Ethiopia was going through a coup and was in total chaos. Not a better time has come since then.

Barre fucked up on alliances and international relations.

 

[McLovin]

Somalia is much better today than back in those days.

The only thing that changed is that we are comparatively doing much worse than our neighbors.

Is it now?

From significant regional power to having Ethiopians and Kenyans step all over us. Please explain how it is doing better?

 

[Adheer Warsame]

Somalia is much better today than back in those days.

The only thing that changed is that we are comparatively doing much worse than our neighbors.

We should've adopted corporate capitalism back in those days, somalia would have been the Japan of Africa
I can not even imagine what somalia would look like

 

[Mohamud]

Pretty sure our economy is demonstrably worse too

 

[Apollo]

Is it now?

From significant regional power to having Ethiopians and Kenyans step all over us. Please explain how it is doing better?

Dude look at 70s/80s satellite images of Hargeisa, Burco, Bosaso, Garowe, Gaalkacyo etc.

From villages to semi-decent urban centers now.

The civil war had its benefits like spreading out development from Mogadishu to the rest of the country.

 

[Coolorte]

Somalis need to realise that Somalia would never get Ogaden back and never will. We have to acknowledge that the invasion was a horrible idea and devastated us in the 80s.
I was never a fan of siad barre and his left wing ideology.

We will get it back. The people that live there are Somali anyway.

 

[McLovin]

I was never a fan of siad barre and his left wing ideology

He wasn't a true socialist his comrades can attest to it. He mostly used it as a guise to get aid from the soviets

 

[Galaeri]

He wasn't a true socialist his comrades can attest to it. He mostly used it as a guise to get aid from the soviets

He did it so he could buy weapons from the Soviets. The Americans weren't playing ball when Somalia tried to buy equipment off them. They have always been helping Ethiopia.

Yea he wasn't a real communist. He mixed communism and Somali nationalism. He also didn't try to promote atheism.

 

[Friko_Prizm]

Somalis need to realise that Somalia would never get Ogaden back and never will. We have to acknowledge that the invasion was a horrible idea and devastated us in the 80s.
I was never a fan of siad barre and his left wing ideology.

We will get it back.
Ogaden belongs to Somalia.

 

[McLovin]

Dude look at 70s/80s satellite images of Hargeisa, Burco, Bosaso, Garowe, Gaalkacyo etc.

From villages to semi-decent urban centers now.

The civil war had its benefits like spreading out development from Mogadishu to the rest of the country.

Semi decent, is that what you will settle for? What about our security problem? We can't even control our borders, our soverignity is undermined on a daily basis by our neighbours, We are divided along a thousand different lines. State services are virtually non existent or scarce.

I'm sure mkre development could've been made to the region's if we didn't spend that money acquiring arms and entering a costly war

 

[Adheer Warsame]

We will get it back.
Ogaden belongs to Somalia.

We won't
As long as the AU, UN, NATO or any sort of international law exists, we won't
And are we going to let thousands of Somalis risk their lives for a scarcely populated desert?
We have to live with that

 

[McLovin]

We will get it back. The people that live there are Somali anyway.

I have an idea. Why not build whatever shanties we have before going into costly wars of emotion over more empty desert shanties?

 

[Adheer Warsame]

What's inside somali borders is the number 1 priority. NFD and Ogaden are now foreign property. The inhabitants of those areas should come back to Somalia, no matter how long they lived outside the borders.

 

[Apollo]

What's inside somali borders is the number 1 priority. NFD and Ogaden are now foreign property. The inhabitants of those areas should come back to Somalia, no matter how long they lived outside the borders.

What a retarded logic. Those people are not even from Somalia. They only share a language with people of Somalia. They did not come from it.

 

[Galaeri]

What's inside somali borders is the number 1 priority. NFD and Ogaden are now foreign property. The inhabitants of those areas should come back to Somalia, no matter how long they lived outside the borders.

They should never abandon their territories for the dirty habeshi to take. K5 is doing better than it ever has today. They have more autonomy then they have ever had, their only problem is they themselves are quite corrupt. They have even made friends with the powerful Tigray, who thought that could have happened. If they keep their act together they will do great, and if their hydrocarbons are to be used they should develop well if they are sharp enough.

The only shit hole is the NFD. The most underdeveloped region in Kenya. They need to go and take what is theirs.

 

[Adheer Warsame]

What a retarded logic. Those people are not even from Somalia. They only share a language with people of Somalia. They did not come from it.

So you're trying to say they're not ethnic Somalis?
From what I've seen they look somali, not one lick of Bantu or habesha in them.