Haplogroup J-P58

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  1. The alchemist

    The alchemist

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    Is it common among Somalis? Got a connection with a person who carried that haplogroup on 23andMe.
     
  2. Timo Jareer and proud

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    heard some Warsengeli's carry it
     
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  3. The alchemist

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    Yh. He's Warsangeli.
     
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    It's pretty common in that clan.

    It most likely has a South Semitic origin instead of an Arab one like the T-M184 subclade in Dir or J1 in Hebehsas.
     
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  5. The alchemist

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    He has a significant percentage of Ethiopian/Eritrean. Is there a chance that the haplogroup got passed on from there?
     
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    Timo Jareer and proud

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    Interesting, yes indeed it is possible but it depends on how much.

    What is the percentage of Ethio-Semitic accessory he has?
     
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    6.4%.
     
  8. Timo Jareer and proud

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    The Hebesha was probably a maternal ancestor then. I believe the Haplogroup he cares is not from Ethiopia.
     
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  10. Geeljire sanbuur

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    That's a Sick haplogroup They are truee arabs
     
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    Apollo Staff Member Moderator

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    I have also spotted one guy from Hargeisa who is Isaaq or perhaps from some minority clan from Harar who also carries it.

    Confirmed, I have some Arab Salax relatives on the 23andMe platform who carry it and as you said, they are autosomally extremely Somalized.
     
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    Seems like a few South Semites like the Arab Saalax managed to be absorbed into eastern Darood clans. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case for some minor coastal Isaaq subclans as well, like Reer Dood of HJ. I wouldn't be surprised to find J-haplogroup or some ancient E1b1b subclades.
     
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  13. Prince Abubu

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    @Apollo

    If the Eurasian ancestry in Somalis is closest to Arab Bedouins, how come there's very little genetic affinity between Somalis and Arabs of the Arabian peninsula?
     
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    I am of the opinion that almost all of it is from areas near Egypt. Even the Somali T question has not been resolved due to low sampling from the relevant region. Neolithic Egyptians and Neolithic South Levantines (of which Arabians descend) were related so this causes a lot of confusion.
     
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  15. geeljire madaxweyne

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    somalis dont share close genetic affinity with people from the middle east, they come from the horn and they are closely related to horn of africans( oromos habeshas afars) and distantly to north africans and middle easterners.

    Arab theory is debunkt long ago :noneck:
     
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    Are you saying the ancestors of the Egyptians, Levantines and Early Cushitic-Speakers were of the same stock?
     
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    Apollo Staff Member Moderator

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    Broadly speaking, yes, with some differences differentiating them.

    I would also include Berbers/Aboriginal Maghrebis into this before they got Iberian admixture from Neolithic Iberians who entered the Maghreb.
     
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    Interesting. What sorts of differences would you mean? And are there any modern populations that are closest in genes and phenotype to these ancient people?

    The Iberomaurisian/Capsians?
     
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    From what I gather, Bedouins from the Negev desert in Israel have the most % of this ancient pan-Afro-Asiatic autosomal component. But be aware that they have SSA servant groups among them (outliers). In the HGDP set of Negev Bedouins one outlier clusters with Sudanese people.
     
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