Greatest African countries of all time

[Ace the shank]

I thought y'all hated arab but are on this thread praising them and their accomplishment but when I post a thread about arab y'all calling me abeed or booty clapping for them the hypocrisies

 

[Tewahedo]

I thought y'all hated arab but are on this thread praising them and their accomplishment but when I post a thread about arab y'all calling me abeed or booty clapping for them the hypocrisies

it depends but in the case of history it has nothing to do with ego we just try to be objective as much as possible

 

[Ace the shank]

somalis were the first people to defeat a European empire in a naval ship battle what did theses straps do other than spread religion

 

[farax]

Somalia is the greatest country in Europe

 

[purple haze]

Historic Achievements: Literature, Art, Military Prowess, Peak Power, Relevance are the categories I'm using.

1. Egypt
2. Morocco
3. Ethiopia
4. Tunisia
5. Sudan
6. Algeria
7. Mali

8 SOMALIA

 

[CaliTedesse]

Main difference is that the Moroccans where never colonized by the Ottomans and established independent Empires like the Wattasid, Saadi and Alaouite. Also the core areas/capitals of the Almoravid and Almohad where the Moroccan area.

Here is the Saadi Empire:

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Saadi was an Arab dynasty akhi

 

[Tewahedo]

Saadi was an Arab dynasty akhi

they claimed arab roots for prestige and to legitimize their religious power (sharif) but reality is that they probably were arabized berbers like most moroccans lol

 

[CaliTedesse]

Christian Sudan is an interesting period as well, Makuria Kingdom where heavily influenced by the Byzantine and they defeated the Arabs twice in battle.

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Say mashallah they speak Arabic today in Sudan

 

[CaliTedesse]

they claimed arab roots for prestige and to legitimize their religious power (sharif) but reality is that they probably were arabized berbers like most moroccans lol

You can't say in reality there is no proof for that. Many Arabs moved to North Africa especially Tunisia and Andalus and Maghreb. Had they not moved there no Moroccan dynasty would even exist. Islam is what united the Berbers or Arabs. Arabs even built first university on earth in Marrakesh.

 

[CaliTedesse]

they claimed arab roots for prestige and to legitimize their religious power (sharif) but reality is that they probably were arabized berbers like most moroccans lol

Al Mohad and Al Morabit leaders claimed descent from Sanhaji Berber tribe. Why would they suddenly claim Arab for prestige. We can safely assume. Saadi leaders were pure descent Arabs, since dynasties that precedes it had confidence in Berber descent. Also they claimed Banu Zaydan from Levantine area.

 

[Tewahedo]

You can't say in reality there is no proof for that. Many Arabs moved to North Africa especially Tunisia and Andalus and Maghreb. Had they not moved there no Moroccan dynasty would even exist. Islam is what united the Berbers or Arabs. Arabs even built first university on earth in Marrakesh.

you don't really know what you're talking about... arabs were absolutely not numerous in North africa that's why genetic studies show that there are no ethnic arabs in the maghreb today :

"North African populations are also ethnically complex, and it is common to differentiate between Arab and Berber (Amazigh) groups based on cultural practices, such as language. Although historically and sociologically this consideration is assumed, no genetic differences have been reported between Arabs and Berbers when analyzing individual genetic markers (Bosch et al. 1997,, 2001; Plaza et al. 2003; Arredi et al. 2004; Coudray et al. 2009; Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2011b; Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2013; Bekada et al. 2015).However, the present analysis of additional Berber samples reinforces the idea of no strong genetic distinction between Arabs and most Berber groups." source : https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/34/2/318/2680801#58231020

Today maghrebis have very very low amount of arab ancestry. Also most dynasties during the medieval era appeared locally they were not the product of arab settlers.

the first university in the world was founded by Fatima al-Fihri (she was moroccan not arab) in Fes (not marrakesh as you said) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_al-Qarawiyyin

any specialist/historian will tell you that saadis were absolutely not arabs simply moroccans claiming arab roots for obvious reasons. Even the current dynasty is claiming arab roots are you going to say the current dynasty is not moroccan ?

 

[Tewahedo]

Al Mohad and Al Morabit leaders claimed descent from Sanhaji Berber tribe. Why would they suddenly claim Arab for prestige. We can safely assume. Saadi leaders were pure descent Arabs, since dynasties that precedes it had confidence in Berber descent. Also they claimed Banu Zaydan from Levantine area.

at that time most of morocco was arabized that's why some groups claimed arab roots while others claimed berber ones. Almoravids came from the far and isolated south while almohads came from the atlas mountains. While Saadis simply came from the arabized region of zagora. At that time it was common for scholars, sheikhs, kings, etc to claim arab roots it was prestigious

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

they claimed arab roots for prestige and to legitimize their religious power (sharif) but reality is that they probably were arabized berbers like most moroccans lol

you don't really know what you're talking about... arabs were absolutely not numerous in North africa that's why genetic studies show that there are no ethnic arabs in the maghreb today :

"North African populations are also ethnically complex, and it is common to differentiate between Arab and Berber (Amazigh) groups based on cultural practices, such as language. Although historically and sociologically this consideration is assumed, no genetic differences have been reported between Arabs and Berbers when analyzing individual genetic markers (Bosch et al. 1997,, 2001; Plaza et al. 2003; Arredi et al. 2004; Coudray et al. 2009; Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2011b; Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2013; Bekada et al. 2015).However, the present analysis of additional Berber samples reinforces the idea of no strong genetic distinction between Arabs and most Berber groups." source : https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/34/2/318/2680801#58231020

Today maghrebis have very very low amount of arab ancestry. Also most dynasties during the medieval era appeared locally they were not the product of arab settlers.

the first university in the world was founded by Fatima al-Fihri (she was moroccan not arab) in Fes (not marrakesh as you said) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_al-Qarawiyyin

any specialist/historian will tell you that saadis were absolutely not arabs simply moroccans claiming arab roots for obvious reasons. Even the current dynasty is claiming arab roots are you going to say the current dynasty is not moroccan ?

Lol exactly. The current dynasty are clearly ethnic Berbers/Moroccans:

 

[CaliTedesse]

you don't really know what you're talking about... arabs were absolutely not numerous in North africa that's why genetic studies show that there are no ethnic arabs in the maghreb today :

"North African populations are also ethnically complex, and it is common to differentiate between Arab and Berber (Amazigh) groups based on cultural practices, such as language. Although historically and sociologically this consideration is assumed, no genetic differences have been reported between Arabs and Berbers when analyzing individual genetic markers (Bosch et al. 1997,, 2001; Plaza et al. 2003; Arredi et al. 2004; Coudray et al. 2009; Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2011b; Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2013; Bekada et al. 2015).However, the present analysis of additional Berber samples reinforces the idea of no strong genetic distinction between Arabs and most Berber groups." source : https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/34/2/318/2680801#58231020

Today maghrebis have very very low amount of arab ancestry. Also most dynasties during the medieval era appeared locally they were not the product of arab settlers.

the first university in the world was founded by Fatima al-Fihri (she was moroccan not arab) in Fes (not marrakesh as you said) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_al-Qarawiyyin

any specialist/historian will tell you that saadis were absolutely not arabs simply moroccans claiming arab roots for obvious reasons. Even the current dynasty is claiming arab roots are you going to say the current dynasty is not moroccan ?

What does this prove? Nothing literally you just posted some xaar.

Everyone knows Fatima bint Muhammad Al-Fihriya Al-Qurashiya (Arabic: فاطمة بنت محمد الفهرية القرشية‎) was an Arab woman who is credited with founding the oldest existing, continually operating and first degree-awarding university in the world, the University of al-Qarawiyyin in Fez, Morocco in 859 CE, She is also known as "Umm al-Banayn".

It's like being a beggar,. She was born in Abbasid Caliphate and was an Arab woman. All Moroccans know she was Arab women. Plus Arabs created the Term Maghrebi or Moroccan.

 

[Marquis]

you don't really know what you're talking about... arabs were absolutely not numerous in North africa that's why genetic studies show that there are no ethnic arabs in the maghreb today :

"North African populations are also ethnically complex, and it is common to differentiate between Arab and Berber (Amazigh) groups based on cultural practices, such as language. Although historically and sociologically this consideration is assumed, no genetic differences have been reported between Arabs and Berbers when analyzing individual genetic markers (Bosch et al. 1997,, 2001; Plaza et al. 2003; Arredi et al. 2004; Coudray et al. 2009; Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2011b; Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2013; Bekada et al. 2015).However, the present analysis of additional Berber samples reinforces the idea of no strong genetic distinction between Arabs and most Berber groups." source : https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/34/2/318/2680801#58231020

Today maghrebis have very very low amount of arab ancestry. Also most dynasties during the medieval era appeared locally they were not the product of arab settlers.

the first university in the world was founded by Fatima al-Fihri (she was moroccan not arab) in Fes (not marrakesh as you said) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_al-Qarawiyyin

any specialist/historian will tell you that saadis were absolutely not arabs simply moroccans claiming arab roots for obvious reasons. Even the current dynasty is claiming arab roots are you going to say the current dynasty is not moroccan ?

Haven't checked the paper but what about haplogroup? Morocco is the least Arab but I think at least with Algeria they have decent amount of Arab paternal ancestry

 

[CaliTedesse]

at that time most of morocco was arabized that's why some groups claimed arab roots while others claimed berber ones. Almoravids came from the far and isolated south while almohads came from the atlas mountains. While Saadis simply came from the arabized region of zagora. At that time it was common for scholars, sheikhs, kings, etc to claim arab roots it was prestigious

There is no proof that the Saadi were originally real Berbers and they identified and claimed Arab tribes. Alhamdullilah. Arabs steered Morocco into prosperity after 2 Berber dynasties and came off leading the nation.

 

[Marquis]

Lol exactly. The current dynasty are clearly ethnic Berbers/Moroccans:
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this youth looks like a typical Moroccan from Holland

 

[Tewahedo]

What does this prove? Nothing literally you just posted some xaar.

Everyone knows Fatima bint Muhammad Al-Fihriya Al-Qurashiya (Arabic: فاطمة بنت محمد الفهرية القرشية‎) was an Arab woman who is credited with founding the oldest existing, continually operating and first degree-awarding university in the world, the University of al-Qarawiyyin in Fez, Morocco in 859 CE, She is also known as "Umm al-Banayn".

It's like being a beggar,. She was born in Abbasid Caliphate and was an Arab woman. All Moroccans know she was Arab women. Plus Arabs created the Term Maghrebi or Moroccan.

she was an "arab" woman the same way modern north africans are arabs lol Do you think living under the abbasid rule and calling yourself "arab" makes you arab ? I'm talking on a more deeper level here, that some medieval people claimed arab lineage means nothing we need genetic data to draw conclusions

 

[CaliTedesse]

she was an "arab" woman the same way modern north africans are arabs lol Do you think living under the abbasid rule and calling yourself "arab" makes you arab ? I'm talking on a more deeper level here, that some medieval people claimed arab lineage means nothing we need genetic data to draw conclusions

So you want to claim someone that wanted nothing to do with you. How big of a beggar can you be. She was an Arab woman most likely since the area was ruled by the Abbasids and they sent Arabs everywhere. Fatim Al Fihri Alhamdullilah bint 7alaal bint 3arabiyah. Allah yar7amhaa , amiin

 

[Tewahedo]

Haven't checked the paper but what about haplogroup? Morocco is the least Arab but I think at least with Algeria they have decent amount of Arab paternal ancestry

Yes 30% in Algeria if I remember correctly but paternal haplogroups aren't really meaningfull you can for example be genetically fully italian but still with an arab haplogroup so we should focus more on autosomal results