Galmudug elects new president and is officially split in two

[SomaliSavage0]

Somali politics empower laangaabs every couple decades. Imagine if all goes well, murursade will be sitting at the big boys table.

It is like the rags to reaches story but only in politics.

Marehan set a bad precedent in 1969.

Seems most of you sspot commentators are amateur, Murusade despite their smaller Numbers and their laangaab status have always played active roles in somali politics and always sided with darood

During the kacaan siad barres most trusted and long serving minister of finance was Murusade

The time of Abdulahi Yusuf he won to be come president thanks to Qanyare who voted for him giving AY edge.

Murursade and Marexaan Were always political ally hence the farmaajo Khaire alliance

 

[DR OSMAN]

There is no denying that HG have more clout nowadays then Abgal which is very unusual. Banadir-state was denied to Mogadishu to have a regional voice because the capital is a federal zone. This can only mean for Abgaal future is Darod-Hawiye will be competing for presidency-pm in their town, while HG have their own separate regional state(safe backup voice) and MJ has his own, Rahanwayn has his own and Ogaden they're own base to return too.

I really feel sad for Abgal in a way, they could decline into oblivion is my future prediction if one man one vote doesn't take foot and power divided onto districts, there is no-way it can survive in this current limbo. Federalism hasn't been favorable to Abgaal at all.

Marehan also benefits from district based sharing, their voice will sky-rocket with gedo-galgaduud districts, the current structure isn't favourable for them either. Murusade doesn't gain much thru the current structure or district based sharing, their true langaabs no matter what system is adopted.

I am not sure why Rahanwayn is fighting for. It's safe under federalism. It has it's regional voice while power in mogadishu. Considering Rahanwayn size, having the speaker plus your own regional admin at the same time isn't a bad deal. I think rahanwayn got an awesome deal. Speaker reserved forever, plus its sharing in ministries and has regional govt.

Where-as PL highest post is a minister of foreign affairs where-as rahanwayn is always guaranteed the third most important post for life. PL/JL/GM/HS/BANADIR are not guaranteed their seats like rahanwayn is. Right now if we look at power structure, it's rahanwayn winning. Speaker plus South West. Marehan doesnt have any regional govt nor murusade so their post as pm/president is isolated to mogadishu. No other regional govt comes close to the political power of SW as our top post is ministerial positions.

 

[Mckenzie]

How did Murursade climb up the ladder? It seems they did it quickly

They aren't as big as Abgaal or HG but don't be fooled, they are shrewd and very capable. They made the most money in the Kacaan (Wasiir Maxamed Sh Cismaan owned over 100 houses), founded the USC and also co founded the ICU.

It was Murursade who brought Farmaajo and Abdiweli (Yuulka) into politics when HSM needed new prime ministers.

I wouldn't be suprised if Kheyre becomes President, his clan leave him to do his job, if all clans did that we wouldn't have as much corruption today.

I have already said the terms Laangaab iyo Laandheer is not used in dhaqan Hawiye, Murursade are part of the big 4 (HG, Abgaal, Xawaadle and Murursade) and live all over thr South.

Aadan Cadde the first President of the Somali Republic was Udeejeen whose clan live mostly across the border in Ethiopia but some people have an issue with Murursade who are natives of Xamar

 

[DR OSMAN]

They aren't as big as Abgaal or HG but don't be fooled, they are shrewd and very capable. They made the most money in the Kacaan (Wasiir Maxamed Sh Cismaan owned over 100 houses), founded the USC and also co founded the ICU.

It was Murursade who brought Farmaajo and Abdiweli (Yuulka) into politics when HSM needed new prime ministers.

I wouldn't be suprised if Kheyre becomes President, his clan leave him to do his job, if all clans did that we wouldn't have as much corruption today.

Murusade did this and did that, your in day-dreams I think. Abdillahi won 90% of the parliament, he didn't need qanyare small amount votes, it was the biggest landslide election in history. Only Farmajo recently came close to matching it. You need at all times Rahanwayn they are key bloc. Then you need your own clan behind it which is 60 seats. Then you need to divide the opponent on the other side so their vote goes to you or at least goes to many hawiye running so it ends up becoming useless and you have the largest percentage.

Hawiye is divided as hell. Infact the more that run the better chance their hawiye clans separate on votes each voting for his ina adeer looooooool while the darod has rahanwayn and darod vote on lock.

 

[Mckenzie]

Murusade did this and did that, your in day-dreams I think. Abdillahi won 90% of the parliament, he didn't need qanyare small amount votes, it was the biggest landslide election in history. Only Farmajo recently came close to matching it. You need at all times Rahanwayn they are key bloc. Then you need your own clan behind it which is 60 seats. Then you need to divide the opponent on the other side so their vote goes to you or at least goes to many hawiye running so it ends up becoming useless and you have the largest percentage.

Hawiye is divided as hell. Infact the more that run the better chance their hawiye clans separate on votes each voting for his ina adeer looooooool while the darod has rahanwayn and darod vote on lock.

There was an election a few years ago in which the only remaining candidates by the final round were 3 Abgaal and 1 MJ. So Doctor Bonkers your pseudo intellectual theories are simply hot air.

As for Digil & Mirifle, why would they ally with Darod over Hawiye? They hate us both but if push came to shove they won't support a Darod President since you have stolen their lands in the South and discriminate against their IDPs in Bosaso.

There has never been a landslide victory in Somali elections. The only time that happened was when Afweyne did an election and won by 96% in 1986. You can guess why that was

 

[GBTarmy]

Marehan and Murursade as individual clans are no threat to GMS but no one expected Farmaajo to choose a Murursade PM since he is already married to one. But this Marehan-Murursade dream team has gained a foothold in GMS since the Dir are also allied with them. Only Sheikhal and Waceysle are siding with HG for the sake of Hiraabnimo.

Fair play to Murursade they are playing machiavellian politics and control Xamar but they need to tread carefully. It wasn't long ago when Qanyare gave his votes to AY to spite us.

interesting thanks for the breakdown

 

[Mckenzie]

D&M niggas got kicked out of Gedo as punishment for helping USC.
They don't get much out of JL.
PL obivously doesn't like them.

Also since when did we steal their lands in the south?

"Kicked out of Gedo" i.e. you stole some of their lands sxb. I won't get into this debate because you Marehans have a tendency to derail most topics.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The South West are treated bad in Puntland lol.

Check the 11:07 mark. They're refugees live better in Puntland then any other region. Don't me find videos of their 'rag to riches' stories in Puntland because they have so many businesses in garowe and bosaso

 

[nine]

"Kicked out of Gedo" i.e. you stole some of their lands sxb. I won't get into this debate because you Marehans have a tendency to derail most topics.

Uuuhh OK

D&M have KG why is Sh/Hoose included into it though wouldn't Cayr want a cut? Or do D&M want to keep Baraawe?

 

[DR OSMAN]

PL hates this and hates that, do these people even know Puntland. The law is supreme in puntland not tribe or race. Tribe and Race is just identity, we decided to write a constitution and create a legal system for all Puntlanders irrespective of their tribe or ethnicity.

Heck if Abdiqaybdiid is free to roam the streets of Puntland, why would we persecute other clans who done nothing to us? Go take that shit to SL, you may have a case there. Cuz Morgan can't give a speech in Hargeisa or anyone from Mogadishu. The things you tag PL with is what SL is.

 

[SomaliSavage0]

PL hates this and hates that, do these people even know Puntland. The law is supreme in puntland not tribe or race. Tribe and Race is just identity, we decided to write a constitution and create a legal system for all Puntlanders irrespective of their tribe or ethnicity.

Heck if Abdiqaybdiid is free to roam the streets of Puntland, why would we persecute other clans who done nothing to us? Go take that shit to SL, you may have a case there. Cuz Morgan can't give a speech in Hargeisa or anyone from Mogadishu. The things you tag PL with is what SL is.

Stop the lies lol

Puntland is one man show. Whatever gaas does and says prevails rightfully or wrongfully

Have you seen anyone question gaas whether it is opposition or sitting MPs?

 

[DR OSMAN]

Stop the lies lol

Puntland is one man show. Whatever gaas does and says prevails rightfully or wrongfully

Have you seen anyone question gaas whether it is opposition or sitting MPs?

We want stability that's why. If you win the election, we want to give our leaders breathing room to implement their program, we don't want a back n forth like Galmudug because it means the state is stuck in turmoil and spending resources on that then actually building the state. There is good reasons for our lack of opposition and there is bad points to it also. I support a system where we sit back and let the leader drive without ball busting for 5 years but on certain conditions that he actually DRIVES and if he isn't then we have a right to oppose him.

Not this stuff you see in SL/MOG that is a joke and overboard level of criticism and causing instability.

 

[SomaliSavage0]

We want stability that's why. If you win the election, we want to give our leaders breathing room to implement their program, we don't want a back n forth like Galmudug because it means the state is stuck in turmoil and spending resources on that then actually building the state. There is good reasons for our lack of opposition and there is bad points to it also. I support a system where we sit back and let the leader drive without ball busting for 5 years but on certain conditions that he actually DRIVES and if he isn't then we have a right to oppose him.

Not this stuff you see in SL/MOG that is a joke and overboard level of criticism and causing instability.

Honestly there is no checks and balance in puntland I was there in June/July, and that is a bad system

Gaas is just too corrupt to even lead a village let alone a state but as a gaasist you will never admit that

 

[Creed]

Uuuhh OK

D&M have KG why is Sh/Hoose included into it though wouldn't Cayr want a cut? Or do D&M want to keep Baraawe?

I need to clarify things here. Rahanweyne and Marehan got no issues with each other and they live in Gedo peacefully no need to bring up the civil war era today MX and RX interests are intertwined.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Honestly there is no checks and balance in puntland I was there in June/July, and that is a bad system

Gaas is just too corrupt to even lead a village let alone a state but as a gaasist you will never admit that

PL is 10 years old, we only started focusing on our region in 2009, before that we were all mogadishu centric. Give it time, yes there is a long way to go in terms of governance but security wise, you can't just kill someone in puntland and get away with it regardless of his tribe and regardless of who is killed be it minority or not.

I would like each ministry presenting each year what he has done for the state in their respective ministries to the parliament LIVE to the people. We need accountability from our ministries and that is lacking. If they are recieving a salary for their job, the people who pay for their salary have a right to know what you done for them.

 

[AarLibaax]

I need to clarify things here. Rahanweyne and Marehan got no issues with each other and they live in Gedo peacefully no need to bring up the civil war era today MX and RX interests are intertwined.

@nine waa militant socoto kkk

 

[Abdalla]

Seems most of you sspot commentators are amateur, Murusade despite their smaller Numbers and their laangaab status have always played active roles in somali politics and always sided with darood

During the kacaan siad barres most trusted and long serving minister of finance was Murusade

The time of Abdulahi Yusuf he won to be come president thanks to Qanyare who voted for him giving AY edge.

Murursade and Marexaan Were always political ally hence the farmaajo Khaire alliance

STFU AY received 180 votes out of the 275 MP. A landslide victory.

Qanyare and all the xamar warlords, except Sacads, were against AY. AY even mocked Qanyare and muuse suudi by calling their name one by one in his victory speech 'aaway qanyare, aaway muuse suudi'

 

[Abdalla]

As soon as dhuusomareeb made a deal with galmudug by becoming the PM and the capital of galmudug, I predicted. almost a year ago, that Cadado will be left out and they will rebel.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/...sufi-terrorists-aswj-join-forces.35054/page-2

Will the 'chief of ministers' appoint the ministers?

So Sacad is the president, ceyr gets PM seat and the capital is their city. I will predict that the Saleebaans who own Hobyo and Cadaado won't be happy.

I have been studying huutus all my life, I know how they think

 

[Sheikh]

@Mckenzie In the future be smart, don't elect clans that are not president and live under your rule, they will have comprised allegiances between the federal authority and the state authority. JL/PL in general do not like to have either marehan in power(JL side) or dhulbahante in power(PL side). It's becuz it can cause a frickin civil war in puntland or jubaland as the people will have divided loyalties. hope your region thinks about galmudug stability in the future.

In all honesty if I was Galmudug I'd vote for MJ or Ogaden if I had to choose between Darod as their not in your region and cannot penetrate it through the federal govt. If I was xasid though, I'd vote for a Dhulbahante so PL loyalties get split between federal and state, similar to what's happening to you. Infact last HG president ina salad did exactly that and notice what happened to PL?

By supporting Marehan your bringing the divided loyalties into Galmudug. From what I can tell any marehan or murusade if ever elected as president will choose to elect a PM from murusade or marehan becuz this will allow them to penetrate Galmudug and ensure it's control and compliance to the Mogadishu. If abgal is elected, he will always elect an MJ as he can penetrate that region. Mj will do the same for Abgal to keep hamar an ally.

We own Jubaland it's our mammul and we are the only rulers. 2019 a Marehan Ugaas will be the President of our native mammul. Like it or not.

 

[DR OSMAN]

We own Jubaland it's our mammul and we are the only rulers. 2019 a Marehan Ugaas will be the President of our native mammul. Like it or not.

It simply won't happen brother. Your just day-dreaming, your seen like HG by locals in Kismayo. You won't get the presidency ever similar to how habar gedir are banned from presidency in mogadishu. Your not welcome in Kismayo and people don't see you as local.