Female Supporters of FGM March In Gambia! They Want It Legalized

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

One of the signs reads “We will not sell our religion for worldly gains”

May Allah grant them victory

Ameen thumma Ameen

Insulting muslim women for simply wanting to adhere to Islam and demand rights over their own bodies is unethical especially coming from fellow Muslims. I suggest those partaking in such actions to reflect on their behaviour.

Yes, AKHI!

Long live a heinous practise named after the great FIRCAWN!

Dadka qaar waala yaaba, they know nothing about a topic but are insistent on spreading falsehoods.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

I'd would like to know the laws surrounding FGM. It has more negatives than positives. It doesn't even have any positives.

The term fgm is a racist construct employed to dehumanise any non- white community that practices any form of female genital modification. It doesn’t matter whether it takes place in a hospital or not.

It’s used to make a distinction between cadan & non- cadan modifications made to the female genitalia. In western countries these procedures are described as female genital cosmetic surgery (fgcs) while in African countries etc they’re described as female genital muitilation (fgm) despite being similar. Have a look at the following comparison between the two, I took it from an article titled “ FGM” vs. female “cosmetic” surgeries: why do they continue to be treated separately? “ link is below

Fgm vs female cosmetic surgeries; why do they continue to be treated separately?

If these procedures carried out in Africa etc are all negatives then why are they offered to cadan women in western countries? “Fgm” negative narrative is a result of “fgm” activist but if you look at the literature from scholars etc you get a totally different perspective.

Take for instance all the negative associations of fgm like health risks etc this is a result of portraying the worst forms of it that are carried out in non-medical settings. The moment the same procedures are done in a medical setting then the risks associated with them are greatly reduced. Now for people who care about health of women why aren’t these ngo’s not promoting medicalising these procedures so as to alleviate the suffering?

These “fgm” activists, ngo’s etc would rather women suffer than help them by medicalising these procedures simply because it doesn’t align with their ideology. Meaning there’s a clash of interest here ; the health of African women vs cadan worldview.

All that money & resources used to advocate for zero policy towards “fgm” have failed as the practice continues. More importantly it could’ve been better spent in alleviating health risks from un-safe procedures laakin since isn’t to their liking the current predicament ensues.

 

[Angelina]

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The term fgm is a racist construct employed to dehumanise any non- white community that practices any form of female genital modification. It doesn’t matter whether it takes place in a hospital or not.

It’s used to make a distinction between cadan & non- cadan modifications made to the female genitalia. In western countries these procedures are described as female genital cosmetic surgery (fgcs) while in African countries etc they’re described as female genital muitilation (fgm) despite being similar. Have a look at the following comparison between the two, I took it from an article titled “ FGM” vs. female “cosmetic” surgeries: why do they continue to be treated separately? “ link is below

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Fgm vs female cosmetic surgeries; why do they continue to be treated separately?

If these procedures carried out in Africa etc are all negatives then why are they offered to cadan women in western countries? “Fgm” negative narrative is a result of “fgm” activist but if you look at the literature from scholars etc you get a totally different perspective.

Take for instance all the negative associations of fgm like health risks etc this is a result of portraying the worst forms of it that are carried out in non-medical settings. The moment the same procedures are done in a medical setting then the risks associated with them are greatly reduced. Now for people who care about health of women why aren’t these ngo’s not promoting medicalising these procedures so as to alleviate the suffering?

These “fgm” activists, ngo’s etc would rather women suffer than help them by medicalising these procedures simply because it doesn’t align with their ideology. Meaning there’s a clash of interest here ; the health of African women vs cadan worldview.

All that money & resources used to advocate for zero policy towards “fgm” have failed as the practice continues. More importantly it could’ve been better spent in alleviating health risks from un-safe procedures laakin since isn’t to their liking the current predicament ensues.

All those paragraphs and you are not saying anything that is factual. I also see you have not described the process of FGM.

Go on, mr expert, explain to everyone how this surgery takes place and how it is halal.

I have seen a lot of audacious posts on this forum, but this takes the cake.

 

[Angelina]

The term fgm is a racist construct employed to dehumanise any non- white community that practices any form of female genital modification. It doesn’t matter whether it takes place in a hospital or not.

It’s used to make a distinction between cadan & non- cadan modifications made to the female genitalia. In western countries these procedures are described as female genital cosmetic surgery (fgcs) while in African countries etc they’re described as female genital muitilation (fgm) despite being similar. Have a look at the following comparison between the two, I took it from an article titled “ FGM” vs. female “cosmetic” surgeries: why do they continue to be treated separately? “ link is below

View attachment 320887

Fgm vs female cosmetic surgeries; why do they continue to be treated separately?

If these procedures carried out in Africa etc are all negatives then why are they offered to cadan women in western countries? “Fgm” negative narrative is a result of “fgm” activist but if you look at the literature from scholars etc you get a totally different perspective.

Take for instance all the negative associations of fgm like health risks etc this is a result of portraying the worst forms of it that are carried out in non-medical settings. The moment the same procedures are done in a medical setting then the risks associated with them are greatly reduced. Now for people who care about health of women why aren’t these ngo’s not promoting medicalising these procedures so as to alleviate the suffering?

These “fgm” activists, ngo’s etc would rather women suffer than help them by medicalising these procedures simply because it doesn’t align with their ideology. Meaning there’s a clash of interest here ; the health of African women vs cadan worldview.

All that money & resources used to advocate for zero policy towards “fgm” have failed as the practice continues. More importantly it could’ve been better spent in alleviating health risks from un-safe procedures laakin since isn’t to their liking the current predicament ensues.

Not one procedure is offered to cadaan women that removes the whole clitoris let alone children unless they’re trans and that’s a whole different topic and non of us Muslims here agree with that abomination and this is why education on this topic amongst Somalis should be mandatory. At this point you’re a spreading misinformation. The clitoris is needed for women’s pleasure and that’s something cadaans certainly aren’t going to chop. Hence, your whole point is, because Trans gaals mutiliate themselves so can African countries? Since when is our standards based on there standards?

What’s offered amongst cadaan non trans women is type IV which is the removal of the hood and African countries do not do this and certainly not Gambia which YOU yourself have pointed out to type I and II and some doing III.

 

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For anyone who wants facts and not bizarre mansplaining.

FGM – National FGM Centre

nationalfgmcentre.org.uk

 

[_Yusuf_]

All those paragraphs and you are not saying anything that is factual. I also see you have not described the process of FGM.

Go on, mr expert, explain to everyone how this surgery takes place and how it is halal.

I have seen a lot of audacious posts on this forum, but this takes the cake.

I heard that circumcision is halal if you do not go extreme in cutting. Removing the entirety is not halal nor the sewing.

Sunan Abi Dawud 5271 - General Behavior (Kitab Al-Adab) - كتاب الأدب - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

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Although I idk I don't have much skin in the game so I don't have an opinion on the matter.

 

[Angelina]

I heard that circumcision is halal if you do not go extreme in cutting. Removing the entirety is not halal nor the sewing.

Sunan Abi Dawud 5271 - General Behavior (Kitab Al-Adab) - كتاب الأدب - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

Although I idk I don't have much skin in the game so I don't have an opinion on the matter.

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[_Yusuf_]

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Type IV what? Oh, the gaal source says what's halal is mutilation lol gotcha. I check the link.

 

[Angelina]

Type IV what?

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[Kisame]

The face of fgm is Somali women if you ask or search the word fgm 1000s of articles will show fgm in Somalia

@Angelina @𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒

I'm honestly still curious about why we're the face of FGM??

Only theory I can think of is that during the ayaan hirsi era any research done about fgm was amplified in the media because the west hated somalis.

 

[_Yusuf_]

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Surely there will be a time where the kufr say male circumcision will be mutilation. I would be careful in using their terms.

 

[_Yusuf_]

@Angelina @𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒

I'm honestly still curious about why we're the face of FGM??

Only theory I can think of is that during the ayaan hirsi era any research done about fgm was amplified in the media because the west hates somalis.

So so. That played a role as well as the sheer volume in which it practiced.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

Types 1 and 2 are haram. You don’t even know what each type entails and you’re debating with me Authobillah. Did you know type 1 is the removal of the clitoris and type 2 is the removal of the clitoris and labia?

Is this what you advocate or do you as per usual debate for the sake of debating?

Type 1 doesn’t. It’s the removal of the whole flipping clitoris! Type IV is the only type allowed which is the removal of the hood!!!

I do make distinctions, it’s you that can’t even distinguish between what’s halal and what’s haram.

Not one Western countries allows the removal of the clitoris, especially not for children. Let’s leave this argument since it’s a lie and makes you look uninformed.

Your whole point is about rejecting Westernization whilst also running towards pagan style rituals. Moderation is key and your lack of inability to look at context or look at what’s happening on the ground all for virtue signaling is dangerous. You don’t know the different types of circumcision and from your writing it’s evident that the dangers of the haram versions inflicted on nearly all woman there isn’t a concern for you.

I couldn’t careless what cadaans think which is why I made it clear that if cadaans started trying to ban it in Malaysia or any country that doesn’t it the halal way, I wouldn’t support. I made that clear. Hence this is a non point and rather silly.

So you’re in agreement with pagan style infibulation? Especially when we have vast medical literature as to how dangerous it is for women? I’ve made it very clear I couldn’t care less about cadaan since I mentioned Malaysia and how they too are accused of that by these gaals whom I don’t care for. My argument is soley based on the fact that type II and II and II overwhelming done in African nations is indeed mutilation. Only the hood is allowed to be cut. This is evident.


Why should I cease to use the term when type I, II and III are indeed mutilation. The Islamic type is type IV is cutting of the outer hood, how on earth is that the same as cutting the head of an organ? That’s what type I which you ignorantly believe is allowed is since is the cutting of the clit. The level of ignorance is insane to witness.


I don’t care. Gaalo this gaalo that when you literally defend a nation that does gaalo pagan guudnin. So when something is western it’s bad, but when it’s of pagan but African origin it’s good? It’s the hypocrisy that I can’t stand and the lack of education in this field that sickens me.

Type I, II and III is indeed mutilating the genitals. You’re inability to call a spade a spade is dangerous. Only type IV isn’t which is why that’s the only halal form. It’s simple as that.

What are you on about ? This is the classification of fgm by WHO

Types of FGM​

Female genital mutilation is classified into 4 major types:

Type 1: This is the partial or total removal of the clitoral glans (the external and visible part of the clitoris, which is a sensitive part of the female genitals), and/or the prepuce/clitoral hood (the fold of skin surrounding the clitoral glans).

Type 2: This is the partial or total removal of the clitoral glans and the labia minora (the inner folds of the vulva), with or without removal of the labia majora (the outer folds of skin of the vulva).

Type 3: Also known as infibulation, this is the narrowing of the vaginal opening through the creation of a covering seal. The seal is formed by cutting and repositioning the labia minora, or labia majora, sometimes through stitching, with or without removal of the clitoral prepuce/clitoral hood and glans.

Type 4: This includes all other harmful procedures to the female genitalia for non-medical purposes, e.g., pricking, piercing, incising, scraping and cauterizing the genital area.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/female-genital-mutilation
The Islamic circumcision for females has always been categorised as type 1 as it involves c hood reduction. Furthermore when discussing about clitoris removal etc it’s only about the visible part & not the entire clitoris, there has never been a case where the entire clitoris has been removed.

Even for arguments let’s say type 4 was the Islamic one, this still doesn’t help your case as type 4 is still considered a “muitilation” so why do you continue to use fgm to describe the Islamic one ?

Listen I’m not interested in getting into another long discussion over your problematic views where you continue to act in denial & lash out because I dared to hold you to account for your own actions.

 

[Angelina]

Surely there will be a time where the kufr say male circumcision will be mutilation. I would be careful in using their terms.

I don’t care because chopping off a woman’s clitoris which is what most African countries that do that practice circumcision is indeed mutilation. There seems to be an issue with some of the men here calling a spade a spade and it’s clearly because the dangers it causes women is a non issue for them nor is the pagan origins of it an issue. I couldn’t care less about gaals. What’s dangerous is dangerous and what causes enormous issues for women should be banned until they can get their act together and do
It properly. You really can’t be blaming gaals for everything when most cases are indeed mutilation.

 

[_Yusuf_]

What are you on about ? This is the classification of fgm by WHO

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/female-genital-mutilation
The Islamic circumcision for females has always been categorised as type 1 as it involves c hood reduction. Furthermore when discussing about clitoris removal etc it’s only about the visible part & not the entire clitoris, there has never been a case where the entire clitoris has been removed.

Even for arguments let’s say type 4 was the Islamic one, this still doesn’t help your case as type 4 is still considered a “muitilation” so why do you continue to use fgm to describe the Islamic one ?

Listen I’m not interested in getting into another long discussion over your problematic views where you continue to act in denial & lash out because I dared to hold you to account for your own actions.

Fr. Fircuni and the rest that do not apply to Islamic circumcision may be considered mutilation but where they ever step is when they side with the gaal on what Islam has deemed halal.

 

[_Yusuf_]

I don’t care because chopping off a woman’s clitoris which is what most African countries that do that practice circumcision is indeed mutilation. There seems to be an issue with some of the men here calling a spade a spade and it’s clearly because the dangers it causes women is a non issue for them nor is the pagan origins of it an issue. I couldn’t care less about gaals. What’s dangerous is dangerous and what causes enormous issues for women should be banned until they can get their act together and do
It properly. You really can’t be blaming gaals for everything when most cases are indeed mutilation.

I'm only talking about the halal circumcision is that mutilation as well?

 

[Angelina]

What are you on about ? This is the classification of fgm by WHO

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/female-genital-mutilation
The Islamic circumcision for females has always been categorised as type 1 as it involves c hood reduction. Furthermore when discussing about clitoris removal etc it’s only about the visible part & not the entire clitoris, there has never been a case where the entire clitoris has been removed.

Yes, but type I is mostly the removal and what is practiced by most African nations hence why distinctions are made for Islamic countries like Malaysia, parts of the Gulf and and other East Asian communities and they come under type IV

Even for arguments let’s say type 4 was the Islamic one, this still doesn’t help your case as type 4 is still considered a “muitilation” so why do you continue to use fgm to describe the Islamic one ?

I don’t and I made it clear I couldn’t give a hoot about Western terms and this is made evident by my use of Malaysia as an example and how these gaals try to accuse them but even they don’t have the literature to back their claims which is why we hardly hear about Malaysia in the media.

Listen I’m not interested in getting into another long discussion over your problematic views where you continue to act in denial & lash out because I dared to hold you to account for your own actions.

No, because type 1 can also include the whole clitoris. The correct term is type IV which is only and specifically the hood of the clitoris.

There is nothing problematic about my point. You don’t want to make a distinction between halal and haram and are arguing with me because I called chopping of a woman’s whole clitoris and Labia is indeed mutilation which is what is mostly practiced in Gambia. The vast majority practice type II which you admitted to, hence why praise them for taking back their bodies or whatever nonsense?

Your whole silly point can be reduced to: Because gaals call all forms mutilation we shouldn’t call the ones that are indeed mutilation from an Islamic practice namely the pagan version mutilation. Hence, it sounds like you’re defending it.

 

[Angelina]

I'm only talking about the halal circumcision is that mutilation as well?

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[Angelina]

@Angelina @𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒

I'm honestly still curious about why we're the face of FGM??

Only theory I can think of is that during the ayaan hirsi era any research done about fgm was amplified in the media because the west hated somalis.

Because before 1991, nearly 100% of Somali women had FGM and that’s the Fircooni style. That is indeed mutilation and I know I’ll have certain posters have issues with that statement but I’ll just assume they’re in agreement with chopping peoples organs off.

If someone was to chop your finger off, it would be mutilation, but we’re not allowed to stay it’s mutilation when someone’s private organ is chopped off just because cadaans use that term. How about Africans collectively stopped doing that?