Ethiopian aDNA (Axum n so n so)

[Xareen]

I’m not of the opinion that those were Cushites nor do I believe modern Horners have any Early PN ancestry

I agree. Still, they were of our stock. We all descend from agropastoral migrants into Middle Nile c. 5000BC, and so racially they were Cushites. Their burial practises even share overlap with ours, ultimately derived from some PPN funerary stela tradition prolly.

 

[Midas]

I agree. Still, they were of our stock. We all descend from agropastoral migrants into Middle Nile c. 5000BC, and so racially they were Cushites. Their burial practises even share overlap with ours, ultimately derived from some PPN funerary stela tradition prolly.

I have never quite understood what the argument that early ppn weren't cushites.
Its one thing to say that were not descended from the same group. But the idea they fall within the same timeline and share our funerary traditions but are not cushites but some group we have no other evidence for strikes as me as a bit of stretch.

 

[Xareen]

I have never quite understood what the argument that early ppn weren't cushites.
Its one thing to say that were not descended from the same group. But the idea they fall within the same timeline and share our funerary traditions but are not cushites but some group we have no other evidence for strikes as me as a bit of stretch.

All comes down to confusion surrounding the ethnonym/metaethnicity/race that is "Cushites". Same thing with Nubia, where if Kermans spoke a NS language, apparently that makes it so we are completely unrelated. It's a shame, and sometimes I think almost intentionally made this way (why are we 'Cushitic' brah, what a shit name, bring back Erythraic) to obfuscate and muddy the waters so detractors can say silly shit while well-meaning hobbyists get confused too.

 

[Zak12]

This guy claims the samples are Ethiosemitic and are from the Harla heartlands and that the theory of Hararis being Gurages isn't true.

https://x.com/abisinoi/status/1954569412431819116?t=nyjKV-OaRxxY7cs6bmVm9w&s=19

https://x.com/abisinoi/status/1954570414983721103?t=WAEMkBuMmnwodo4ea16pQQ&s=19

 

[Garaad Awal]

All those who were blabbing their mouth at me for being certain that the Harla were Ethio-Semitic speakers are now coping or silent. Futuh was very clear that these were two different ethnicities that also had hostilities. It barely mentions any clan beefs between the different Somalis (Darood, Isaaqs & Dir) yet mentions beefs with the Somalis & Harla.

I still don’t believe the Hararis are descendants of the Harla but rather medieval refugees fleeing the Oromos. The Harla tho were simply absorbed by the Oromos who absorbed Ethio-Semites all over the highlands in their expansions which also shows in their DNa.