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GENETICS Ethiopian aDNA (Axum n so n so)

I think it's still plausible that they are just A-Group. A-group goes from 3800–2900 BCE and we know that the Pastoral Neolithic begins to appear in the Horn by 3500 BCE. That might seem tight but that's 300 years from the start of that horizon to when the PN appear in the Horn so A-Group proper already existed for 3 centuries (more than the time difference between us and American revolution). But you're probably right in the sense that much of what culturally "made them" who they were was formed in the periods prior to the A-Group.
Curious, do you know of A-Group, or C-Group or even Kerman remains currently being sequenced for whole-genome data?
Before the flooding (blame Nasser, but hey, they needed the hydraulic power then, lol), I believe a bunch of Norwegians retrieved an appreciable collection of A-Group skeletal remains, but the sad thing is = those are skeletal remains and weren't potted like Nuerat and/ or Naga ed Deir, making successful preservation shady.
Should we get our fingers crossed/ anticipate these things? Sirak seems to still be working on Nubian stuff.
 
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Wallahi imagine saying with a straight face that islam reached the hinterlands before it reached the costal region. I would just love to one day have a conversation with this dude and ask him the thought process behind this
Dude got an agenda, and these cadavers will believe him. This is what happens when you allow these vermin into your history.
 
From my understanding, Islam only reached that part between the 10th and 12th centuries as Somali sheikhs/Ajnabi spread the religion alongside trade routes.
I think will definitely need more evidence but it seems like by the beginning of the 8th century islam had basically spread through the entire somali pensiula since you find halal slaughtered camel bones around Harlaa and the swahili coast and Islamic inscriptions in Mogadishu
 
@The alchemist is Jorge de Torres Rodriguez, the guy you hated. Read what's below:ftw9nwa:
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This is just another aspect of the general theme. He exposed his whole colonial, colonist, and colonialism ideology when it comes to archaeological emphasis of complexity in the Somali territory. For example, he wrote this:

"Colonies can therefore exist without colonialism and colonisation: trade diasporas (Curtin Citation1984), for example, are colonies in the first meaning of the term mentioned above, but do not engage in colonial conquest nor are they guided by a colonial ideology."

Much of our early history advancements were furnished with colonies, making us an extension of others' expansion, not growth of our own making in the form of foreigners setting up trade outposts where peripheral Somalis benefited as backward outsiders. This is an imagined lie. The only limited example where a foreign presence can be implied, yet a very spatially limited presence, was with that temple in Puntland from the 8th century BCE. These can be attributed to Sabaeans, not "pre-Axumite" (as he wrongly termed). Those people merely externalized an extremely limited monumentalism akin to Abu Simbel in Nubian land without any economic or demographic emphasis. This is unlike the Sabaean presence in northern Horn of Africa, where real movement of people, establishment, and frankly expansion of economy and distinct civilizational gear that was an extension of the southern Arabian variation arose, but later, because of its own distinct function, a variation became "pre-Axumite."

With his most recent paper, the guy is coming more out with his agenda, whereas before the Spanish used to micro attribute things to foreign precence and establishment, either comprising broader material conditions to external pull factors, political structures that have an ethnic centers outside the Somali heartland but somehow push beyond even the most conservative core territorial Somali layers, down to the very management. The constant use of language of indirect or soft euphemistic attribution of non-Somali genetic presence was very much emphasized. I'm very familiar with these guys' work and know what they have been doing ever since they touched our historical heritage.

At the root of this lies notions of an inherent, primordial projected ascription of inferiority for Somalis to simply not be able to be the causes and drivers of their own history; otherwise, they would not assume a colonial logic, without any evidence, when no evidence points to that notion. The irony is, the text furthers colonialist historical theft using the utilized framing of such asymmetric assumptions by imposers and settling Somalis as eternal perpetual inferior losers pulled in by way of external influence by setting up what these Spanish define as institutions that establish legitimacy in an illegitimate "nomad" territory. That is the frank reading.

For this, they have camped the historical engagements, down to the very lives of Somalis, to mere primitives. They had to use false assumptions that distort the very collective being that defined our history so that nomadic primitives can stay in one camp, delineated by another, foreigners that, in the Carthaginian imagined sense, come to set shops in our lands, somehow doing grotesquely and artifically explaining grafted economic cutoffs without any true complex natural formations.

In reality, all of it was an internal complexification from the Somali economic subsistence pre-conditions, that on an in game-theory sense, scaled with the ancient established agro-pastoral-trader drivers, utilizing strategic spatial and relational settings, harboring a suite of complex organizational capacity through tribal, political, traditional, and institutional social construction, interwined through complex old pedigree baselines and adaptive instrumentalizations, able to integrate learned political vernacular (such as "sultanates"), witthin the complex, as a feature, not blank slate shifts as the underlying structural categories always existed with other endagamous institutional names. This is a unique civilizational hallmark that is above their heads and a little too amazing for their liking to credit. It's a mix of epistemological racism and disgusting, arrogant incompetence, the result of which is to code everything within a colonial ideology.
 

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