GENETICS Ethiopian aDNA (Axum n so n so)

[Garaad Awal]

Provide the Christian names secondly these qabiils began after islam so how do u want them to be Christians?

Well the leader of Habar Magdi was Garaad Dawit and the leader of Marexaan was Hiraabu Tewedros. What do you mean I want to? You sound stupid warya

 

[Shimbiris]

Well the leader of Habar Magdi was Garaad Dawit and the leader of Marexaan was Hiraabu Tewedros. What do you mean I want to? You sound stupid warya

There's also the interesting custom around the tomb of Sheikh Hussein where both Muslim Somalis and Oromos who visit it will take plaster off of his tomb and draw a cross on their foreheads. I've seen Sada Mire's writings of seeing this sort of custom at other sites as well. I think we're definitely reaching if we're gonna pretend like at least SOME Galbeed and Woqooyi Somalis weren't once Christians.

 

[Arabsiyawi]

I have another theory, I recall reading about political hostages being taken from those in power up till recently, it was a common tactic in imperial Ethiopia, especially under emperors like Menelik II and Haile Selassie and was used previously by them in times of weakness, these sobriquets are probably kept even after the child comes back, seeing that they are fighting on the side of the Muslim, they have kept their religion.

That is plausible for some cases, but this explanation doesn’t account for all instances. Many of the pseudo-christian/hebrew names we recognize appear to be identical to their original Semitic forms, not their Ethiopian Christian variants. EC names were actually from Aramaic, then rendered in Greek before being introduced to Ge'ez. For exemple, Eli (Celi) and Simon (Shimcoon, as noted in the FAH) are much closer to the Hebrew/Aramaic originals than to the forms used in Ethiopian Orthodox circles.

When I say I believe there's something judeo-christian that's completely unrelated to the Highlanders' I really mean it

 

[Garaad Awal]

There's also the interesting custom around the tomb of Sheikh Hussein where both Muslim Somalis and Oromos who visit it will take plaster off of his tomb and draw a cross on their foreheads. I've seen Sada Mire's writings of seeing this sort of custom at other sites as well. I think we're definitely reaching if we're gonna pretend like at least SOME Galbeed and Woqooyi Somalis weren't once Christians.

I wonder the relationship these Christian communities had with the local waaqists.

 

[NidarNidar]

That is plausible for some cases, but this explanation doesn’t account for all instances. Many of the pseudo-christian/hebrew names we recognize appear to be identical to their original Semitic forms, not their Ethiopian Christian variants. EC names were actually from Aramaic, then rendered in Greek before being introduced to Ge'ez. For exemple, Eli (Celi) and Simon (Shimcoon, as noted in the FAH) are much closer to the Hebrew/Aramaic originals than to the forms used in Ethiopian Orthodox circles.

When I say I believe there's something judeo-christian that's completely unrelated to the Highlanders' I really mean it

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[Guure⁸]

Well the leader of Habar Magdi was Garaad Dawit and the leader of Marexaan was Hiraabu Tewedros. What do you mean I want to? You sound stupid warya

That's a simple question looxyahow

 

[Garaad Awal]

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I rather my ancestors to be ahlul kitaab than cow worshippers

 

[NidarNidar]

I rather my ancestors to be ahlul kitaab than cow worshippers

The Cushitic religion of Waaq was monotheistic. Don't compare us to the Oromos.

 

[Midas]

The Cushitic religion of Waaq was monotheistic. Don't compare us to the Oromos.

I dont doubt this but if these sculptures arent images of detiies then it makes you wonder what the sculptures were meant to represent?

 

[Shimbiris]

I rather my ancestors to be ahlul kitaab than cow worshippers

You sound like an aunt of mine. I told her about the possibility of some Somalis during the pre-Islamic era being Christians and she goes, "Mashallah. Better ahlul kitaab than some idiots performing sujud before boombale."

 

[Garaad Awal]

The Cushitic religion of Waaq was monotheistic. Don't compare us to the Oromos.

The Oromos are monotheistic as well . They still worshipped cows and believe in sorts of dieties that are associated with this sky-God. Sorry brother but I rather be yahuudi and worship Hashem than worship Waaq and sacrifice cows for him and look for his signs in their intestines

 

[Zak12]

It's in the Futuh. You have Somalis with names like Dawit and Tedros

Couldn't they just be Ethio-Semites that retained their names after recently converting to Islam? I never heard of medieval Somalis having highlander Ethiopian names

Or maybe its a translation mistake

 

[Shimbiris]

Couldn't they just be Ethio-Semites that retained their names after recently converting to Islam? I never heard of medieval Somalis having highlander Ethiopian names

Or maybe its a translation mistake

Your point might work if they were random people. But how on earth is an Ethiosemite explicitly stated to be the member of a Somali tribe and even the chieftain of one? Garaad Dawit is the chieftain of a whole Somali qabiil (Habar Maqdi) and Hiraab Tewodros is the father of the chieftain of a whole other qabiil (Mareexaan), not to mention that half his name is very plainly Somali (Hiraab). These guys were definitely Somalis, walaal.

 

[Zak12]

The fact that he clusters with the PNs

Sorry I'm pretty much a layman when it comes to this topic but what does PN mean walaal? And how many samples show up here and which ones are close to Somalis and which ones are Ethiio-Semitic?

 

[Shimbiris]

Sorry I'm pretty much a layman when it comes to this topic but what does PN mean walaal? And how many samples show up here and which ones are close to Somalis and which ones are Ethiio-Semitic?

Pastoral Neolithic. Most likely South-Cushitic speaking, Nubian A-Group descended agro-pastoralists who came down from Lower Nubia and wider Sudan into the Horn and then into Southeast Africa and are in large part why the Tutsi exist as they are now but also left behind groups like the Iraqw and influenced others like the Maasai and Datooga alongside later waves of East-Cushites who also expanded a little into SE Africa.

 

[Xareen]

Pastoral Neolithic. Most likely South-Cushitic speaking, Nubian A-Group descended agro-pastoralists who came down from Lower Nubia and wider Sudan into the Horn and then into Southeast Africa and are in large part why the Tutsi exist as they are now but also left behind groups like the Iraqw and influenced others like the Maasai and Datooga alongside later waves of East-Cushites who also expanded a little into SE Africa.

Rather than authentically A-Group-descended, I think they share a father culture (Early Abkan; proto-Cushitic). They probably descend directly from the pre-pre-Kerma, as it were, pastoralist traditions of Upper Nubia. AGR, though not exactly permanently settled people especially in the earlier stages, were a more neolithicised, borderline metal age people, while PN were much too 'primitive' to descend from AGR.

 

[Shimbiris]

Rather than authentically A-Group-descended, I think they share a father culture (Early Abkan; proto-Cushitic). They probably descend directly from the pre-pre-Kerma, as it were, pastoralist traditions of Upper Nubia. AGR, though not exactly permanently settled people especially in the earlier stages, were a more neolithicised, borderline metal age people, while PN were much too 'primitive' to descend from AGR.

I think it's still plausible that they are just A-Group. A-group goes from 3800–2900 BCE and we know that the Pastoral Neolithic begins to appear in the Horn by 3500 BCE. That might seem tight but that's 300 years from the start of that horizon to when the PN appear in the Horn so A-Group proper already existed for 3 centuries (more than the time difference between us and American revolution). But you're probably right in the sense that much of what culturally "made them" who they were was formed in the periods prior to the A-Group.

 

[Midas]

Rather than authentically A-Group-descended, I think they share a father culture (Early Abkan; proto-Cushitic). They probably descend directly from the pre-pre-Kerma, as it were, pastoralist traditions of Upper Nubia. AGR, though not exactly permanently settled people especially in the earlier stages, were a more neolithicised, borderline metal age people, while PN were much too 'primitive' to descend from AGR.

The ancestors of the pn might have preceded the abkan since the distance between upper nubia and where the pn samples are located seems to be a little to far for them to have descend from a culture that existed in the 4th millennium b.c

They're definitely not proto-cushitic since the 4th millennium b.c is way too recent for that.

 

[Midas]

I think it's still plausible that they are just A-Group. A-group goes from 3800–2900 BCE and we know that the Pastoral Neolithic begins to appear in the Horn by 3500 BCE. That might seem tight but that's 300 years from the start of that horizon to when the PN appear in the Horn so A-Group proper already existed for 3 centuries (more than the time difference between us and American revolution). But you're probably right in the sense that much of what culturally "made them" who they were was formed in the periods prior to the A-Group.

That definitely feels too tight. In a pre-horse era I dont think any group could have migrated that quick through that large of a distance.

 

[Shimbiris]

That definitely feels too tight. In a pre-horse era I dont think any group could have migrated that quick through that large of a distance.

I somewhat disagree. These guys were incredibly mobile. By 3500 BCE they spread over the whole Horn in what looks like less than a century. We have sites as deep as Koonfur, Central Ethiopia and Southern Ethiopia and Woqooyi all within the time frame of ~3500 BCE, if I'm not mistaken. They spread over a region about half the size of the Eastern United States within 100 or so years. That's wild.

There is also evidence that they were cattle-riders:

Early Cushites rode Oxen?

It's been a minute so I thought I'd come back with a quick and interesting post. A few years ago I caught something presented in the finding...

anthromadness.blogspot.com

However, perhaps to your point, they only got down to Kenya 500 years later (~3000 BCE) but that may very well just be because the Horn was so large and bountiful that they didn't feel prompted to migrate out of it in any hurry.